Selection integrity time

[older saint]

Now is the time for reputation to be removed and selection to be made on performance over the first 6 weeks - and a couple weeks of reserves matches.

Ryder comes in.
Performance says Dunstan should come in - yes poor v Richmond but went back and performed which means he cares and wants a spot ( no sulking in the 2s)
Not sure on others performance in 2's

Out:
- Reputations don't count and credits from the past have been used up. Look at benchmarks required per position and per player, if have not been met more than 3 games defintely out - 2 in a row then fringe out. No longer can we just turnover guys like McKernan, McKenzie, Dunstan , Kent, Bytle and see this as major changes due to qty . If these guys deserved to be dropped drop them if not then lets move back those who do. Milne and Dal Santo became better players after being dropped there is no reason Hill, Long, Clarke, Battle, Coffield, Sinclair, Butler, Lonie etc ( not saying these should be dropped just an example) can't do the same.

To me the only guys, from the mug in the stand view, that have earned their position conisistently this year are:
- Steele, Marshall, Membrey, Howard, Higgins, Jones, King ( needs games and no benefit to playing 2's with his position),

[Winmar7]

Byrnes played well for Sandy and should come in, sadly I don't think Dunstan is the answer as good as he is in the 2s.

Bytel should be starting in EVERY game, he's wasted as a sub.

I would drop King and get him working on leading patterns for Sandy, in the meantime let's see what Wood can do? Maybe throw Battle forward? Rotate Marshall and Ryder? McKernan has been marking well, but isn't a reliable kick...

Carlisle needs to go back or out.

And we should pick up Goy Lok in the mid seasons draft for some speed and tenacity.

[Impatient Sainter]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

[Vortex]

Hill and King need dropping, Hill for not giving a s*** and King for dropping his bundle when things don't go his way. King needs to learn that he needs to get busy when the chips don't fall his way but instead he drops his head and slopes his shoulders steeper than the black run at Mt Buller.

And when is Carlisle going to grow up and get over himself. When he drops his bundle he is as useless as a ham sandwich at a Jewish wedding.

Sinclair went better once he swung into the ball in the second half but he needs to play with a watch that can count 120 minutes.

[CURLY]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

Byrnes OR Bytel need to replace Lonie ASAP.

How we continue to pick Lonie is beyond any rational explanation.

[older saint]

Ok, playing devil's advocate why shouldn't the following get dropped based on performances this season:
- Battle- Played ok v WC but when else?
- Butler - See Battle
- Clarke - Defensive side to his game is non existant
- Sinclair - Foot disposal is hurting us

[freely]

Hill and King need dropping, Hill for not giving a s*** and King for dropping his bundle when things don't go his way. King needs to learn that he needs to get busy when the chips don't fall his way but instead he drops his head and slopes his shoulders steeper than the black run at Mt Buller.

And when is Carlisle going to grow up and get over himself. When he drops his bundle he is as useless as a ham sandwich at a Jewish wedding.

Sinclair went better once he swung into the ball in the second half but he needs to play with a watch that can count 120 minutes.

I don't believe Hill doesn't give a s***. I don't think Rotton's doing him any favours insisting on keep playing him in the ones though. My sense is that he's really struggling with all the negative media. If you think everyone's got it in for you, thinks you're rubbish, it gets in your head and everything you try turns to s***.

[cwrcyn]

Ryder is the only player with anything to offer from outside the current team. Highmore might be an option to replace Long who's having a horror season. Sinclair to move into the middle. Byrnes needs a month of match fitness. Dunstan will not improve our midfield, although with Crouch giving us so little at the moment, it's debatable.

[Vortex]

Hill and King need dropping, Hill for not giving a s*** and King for dropping his bundle when things don't go his way. King needs to learn that he needs to get busy when the chips don't fall his way but instead he drops his head and slopes his shoulders steeper than the black run at Mt Buller.

And when is Carlisle going to grow up and get over himself. When he drops his bundle he is as useless as a ham sandwich at a Jewish wedding.

Sinclair went better once he swung into the ball in the second half but he needs to play with a watch that can count 120 minutes.

I don't believe Hill doesn't give a s***. I don't think Rotton's doing him any favours insisting on keep playing him in the ones though. My sense is that he's really struggling with all the negative media. If you think everyone's got it in for you, thinks you're rubbish, it gets in your head and everything you try turns to s***.

He has run out of credit unfortunately and if Ratts doesn't want to lose his job then Brad has to go to Sandy for a spell. It's that simple. I think Ratts has allowed him to spend all of his credit and I have supported that approach but he hit zero credit against Port.

[shanegrambeau]

How about McKernan as a forward specialist?
Or the guy from North. The other guy nobody sees anything other than ‘back-up’ .

[Scollop]

Ok, playing devil's advocate why shouldn't the following get dropped based on performances this season:
- Battle- Played ok v WC but when else?
- Butler - See Battle
- Clarke - Defensive side to his game is non existant
- Sinclair - Foot disposal is hurting us

Battle was a trier against Port and he narrowly missed a few shots on goal.
If he converted and had 3 goals on the board he’d be in everyones votes

Butler is one of the players that benefits when our midfield are doing well.
The mids are struggling at the moment. He’s also got pace, and we need players with outside run

Clark is still learning and he’s been one of our better players all year. Have a look at his stats in the game against Port
While you're at it make sure you check his disposal efficiency versus his team mates.

I agree with you on Sinclair. When the heat was on early last night, his disposal was poor

[Ghost Like]

One thing is for sure, we may need to add some ink to the stamp pad. As it stands, the following should have their papers stamped...

Alabakis
McKernan
Carlisle
Dunstan
Lonie
Hunter
Kent
Joyce
Geary (ret)
Hannebery (ret)

[SaintPav]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

Byrnes OR Bytel need to replace Lonie ASAP.

How we continue to pick Lonie is beyond any rational explanation.

I’d throw Long into the forward line. Lonie goes back to the VFL.

Play Sinclair as a mid as someone suggested.

Play Bytel every week and bring in Byrnes when he’s ready and play him for at least 2 or 3 consecutive games.

Play Battle back like we did in 2019 and leave him there. Consider bringing back Highmore depending on his form.

[Vortex]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

Byrnes OR Bytel need to replace Lonie ASAP.

How we continue to pick Lonie is beyond any rational explanation.

I’d throw Long into the forward line. Lonie goes back to the VFL.

Play Sinclair as a mid as someone suggested.

Play Bytel every week and bring in Byrnes when he’s ready and play him for at least 2 or 3 consecutive games.

Play Battle back like we did in 2019 and leave him there. Consider bringing back Highmore depending on his form.

Agree with most of that SP although I'm not sure about Longy, I don't trust him. He's too erratic, lacks discipline and has little composure. Maybe if they can get him back to flowing out of defence like he did in a few games last year on a consistent basis then all good and well but he looks like a liability on the field currently.

[SaintPav]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

Byrnes OR Bytel need to replace Lonie ASAP.

How we continue to pick Lonie is beyond any rational explanation.

I’d throw Long into the forward line. Lonie goes back to the VFL.

Play Sinclair as a mid as someone suggested.

Play Bytel every week and bring in Byrnes when he’s ready and play him for at least 2 or 3 consecutive games.

Play Battle back like we did in 2019 and leave him there. Consider bringing back Highmore depending on his form.

Agree with most of that SP although I'm not sure about Longy, I don't trust him. He's too erratic, lacks discipline and has little composure. Maybe if they can get him back to flowing out of defence like he did in a few games last year on a consistent basis then all good and well but he looks like a liability on the field currently.

I know and it’s concerning but we are bereft of options and perhaps he can do less damage in the forward line as well as being able to help Max out by being a presence of some sort. I'm sure someone (not you) will tell me that I'm way off the mark on this. Long back to his role of last year and Sinclair to the middle or even forward might work. There is also Webster to come back as well.

Using Hind as a case study and quite a few others before him, I shudder to think how players like Long, Battle and even Bytel would go at other clubs.

[shanegrambeau]

How can they pick a side this week with any confidence?

You see what I did there?

Might as well do it for them

Clavarino Howard Wilkie
Wood Joyce Sinclair
Byrnes Steele Ross
McKernan Connolly Skunk
Higgins Marshall Lonie

Foll Ryder, Jones, Bytel

Int. The goal umps, the boundary umpires
Sub. The hot-dog man


Out. Long, King, Battle, Carlisle, Hill, Battle
In McKernan, Bytel, Byrnes, Connolly, Wood, Calavarino

[Beno88]

Ok, playing devil's advocate why shouldn't the following get dropped based on performances this season:
- Battle- Played ok v WC but when else?
- Butler - See Battle
- Clarke - Defensive side to his game is non existant
- Sinclair - Foot disposal is hurting us

Battle has given his all, was very good vs Richmond, and has been played out of position half the season.

Can't argue with the others though. Clark is great one way, and awful the other, but he is far from alone.

[Life Long Saint]

With Ryder coming back into the team that means that a few flow on changes will/should occur.
1. Carlisle returns to defence where he is best suited. It will allow him to take a tall forward and free up Wilkie to float a little more.
2. Marhsall and Ryder swap in the forward line. This allows a genuine second tall marking option as both are natural forwards. This will take the heat of King and Membrey and should bring the smalls into the game.
3. The midfield might get a decent crack at clearances with Ryder. First use with three genuine targets up forward will see us have more quality inside 50's and straighten us up.
4. Battle becomes a swingman as a weapon rather than a gap plugger.

I went to the VFL on Saturday and McKernan doesn't work hard enough to be considered for an AFL spot. Doesn't run hard enough when we don't have the ball.
Kent works hard and is ready to step in for Butler or Lonie if the need arises.

[older saint]

my Guess for the Hawthorn game:

B: Wilkie, Howard, Joyce
HB: Coffield , Battle, Webster
C: Brynes, Steele, Billings
HF: Butler, Membrey , Clark
F: Marshall , King, Higgins
Foll: Ryder , Crouch , Ross
Int : Jones, Dunstan,Bytel, Wood/Sinclair

Out: Carlisle, Hill, Long, Lonie, McKenzie
In : Ryder, Brynes, Dunstan, Webster,

Wood or sinclair - not sure as may be too top heavy.

Battle to CHB, he was ok last year as a wing with shorter games but been exposed on the wing v Ess and Melb.
Clark to HF/ rotating mid as defensive work or lack of is killing us.
Assume McKenzie SUS
Kent Emergency/Sub

[shanegrambeau]

my Guess for the Hawthorn game:

B: Wilkie, Howard, Joyce
HB: Coffield , Battle, Webster
C: Brynes, Steele, Billings
HF: Butler, Membrey , Clark
F: Marshall , King, Higgins
Foll: Ryder , Crouch , Ross
Int : Jones, Dunstan,Bytel, Wood/Sinclair

Out: Carlisle, Hill, Long, Lonie, McKenzie
In : Ryder, Brynes, Dunstan, Webster,

Wood or sinclair - not sure as may be too top heavy.

Battle to CHB, he was ok last year as a wing with shorter games but been exposed on the wing v Ess and Melb.
Clark to HF/ rotating mid as defensive work or lack of is killing us.
Assume McKenzie SUS
Kent Emergency/Sub

Not a bad team list OlderSaint.

Not sure about a few of them, but then, what choice do we have?

I think Clavarino might be helpful and Webster, I just don’t know if he is up to it.
Clav takes those marks. Good hands might help us.

So does McKernan.
So I would think about him as a forward.
King to the wing.like Cox from Essendon.

Battle is struggling. Wood?

[Joffa Burns]

B: Wilkie, Howard, Coffield
HB: Clark , King, Jones
C: Ross, Steele, Billings
HF: Butler, Marshall , Bytel
F: Battle ,Membrey, Higgins
Foll: Ryder , Crouch , Sinclair
Int : , Dunstan, Byrnes, Long, Connolly

Try King behind the ball and get him to go for his marks as an intercept defender
Try and get some run off half back with Jones
Give Sinclair and Long a run on the ball
Give Long a run in the forward half, he looks shot on confidence
Butler or Lonie goes or stays, doesn't matter which one really
Give Connolly a run and see what he's got along with Byrnes

[outside66]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

Byrnes OR Bytel need to replace Lonie ASAP.

How we continue to pick Lonie is beyond any rational explanation.

He's doing more than Butler so I'd be dropping Butler first.

[CURLY]

Bytel & Byrnes are the only players worthy of selection, the cupboard is bare.

Byrnes OR Bytel need to replace Lonie ASAP.

How we continue to pick Lonie is beyond any rational explanation.

He's doing more than Butler so I'd be dropping Butler first.

Butler is still a far greater threat. Lonie is nothing.

[B.M]

I’ll be very surprised if Carlisle ever plays again after last week

He stopped trying and gave up

That is inexcusable in footy

Plus he is as slow as a wet week, so can’t defend now!

[CURLY]

Carlisle plays on the tall forward and can peel off to intercept. He’s not a forward not a ruckman.