Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Ratten has no idea how to stop it
The Devil makes work for idle hands!!!
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
They are the best at it but you would think we could come up with a strategy to counteract it but they just kept finding that loose player time & time again. Really fu----g annoying
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Different game I know but when I played in the 60s, if you didn't stand your man, the coach would very quickly replace you with a reserve.
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
You beat what you know by having a better executed Plan A - get 5 goals up - let them get a few back - but then start again - get another 5 goals up - let them get a few - start again - rinse and repeat....
Why can't we do it?
Because we do not have belief
We do not have a winning culture
We do not have faith in the system
We look for Plan B
I have been critical of St Kilda's game plan for years - because we are always the Hunter - Richmond don't care if the opposition get a few quick goals - they just do what THEY do well - refocus and continue doing the Richmond thing.
Danger'fling' said as much in his interview:
- Were you concerned when they got 5 goals up?
- Nope - we just went back and trusted the process.
[Paraphrased]
We kicked 5 goals in about 10 minutes - do that 4 times in a game - I don't care what chippy chippy the other team does - 20 goals wins you most matches.
We now have the weapons:
- King
- Sharman
- Membrey
- Higgins
- Butler
- Resting Mid
That is a F@rking Potent Forward line
Just need a midfield that does not get smacked week in - week out
Why can't we do it?
Because we do not have belief
We do not have a winning culture
We do not have faith in the system
We look for Plan B
I have been critical of St Kilda's game plan for years - because we are always the Hunter - Richmond don't care if the opposition get a few quick goals - they just do what THEY do well - refocus and continue doing the Richmond thing.
Danger'fling' said as much in his interview:
- Were you concerned when they got 5 goals up?
- Nope - we just went back and trusted the process.
[Paraphrased]
We kicked 5 goals in about 10 minutes - do that 4 times in a game - I don't care what chippy chippy the other team does - 20 goals wins you most matches.
We now have the weapons:
- King
- Sharman
- Membrey
- Higgins
- Butler
- Resting Mid
That is a F@rking Potent Forward line
Just need a midfield that does not get smacked week in - week out
Last edited by Sainter_Dad on Sun 15 Aug 2021 11:40am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Makes sense to me.Sainter_Dad wrote: ↑Sun 15 Aug 2021 11:39am You beat what you know by having a better executed Plan A - get 5 goals up - let them get a few back - but then start again - get another 5 goals up - let them get a few - start again - rinse and repeat....
Why can't we do it?
Because we do not have belief
We do not have a winning culture
We do not have faith in the system
We look for Plan B
I have been critical of St Kilda's game plan for years - because we are always the Hunter - Richmond don't care if the opposition get a few quick goals - they just do what THEY do well - refocus and continue doing the Richmond thing.
Danger'fling' said as much in his interview:
- Were you concerned when they got 5 goals up?
- Nope - we just went back and trusted the process.
[Paraphrased]
We kicked 5 goals in about 10 minutes - do that 4 times in a game - I don't care what chippy chippy the other team does - 20 goals wins you most matches.
We now have the weapons:
- King
- Sharman
- Membrey
- Higgins
- Butler
- Resting Mid
That is a F@rking Potent Forward line
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Not saying we shouldn't try and restrict the opposition - but we should not completely throw our own 'Best Chance' out the window - we have not played to our strengths for a long time
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Simply
Mid and forwards folded back, cats just kicked it to their opponents
Mid and forwards folded back, cats just kicked it to their opponents
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Noticed one passage when they moved it out of their back half, chippy chippy to the loose man moving into space with our players guarding grass in zone/space defence. We couldn't shut the movement down.
By contrast when we moved out of defence in a structured way, they played man on man, shut down all the outlets and forced the dump kick down the line to 50/50.
Why do we stick with the zone and not play man on man?
Is it to have forwards in space on turnover or to get an extra back deeper?
Seems like we try and create an illusion of no space to kick to but good teams like Geelong know better and find targets. We cut off a few kicks by rushing and spoiling the receiver but it's not a reliable strategy against good kickers/smart movers.
We struggle to keep up with the shell game and allow the loose into space. Watching teams consistently outsmart us like this is very frustrating
By contrast when we moved out of defence in a structured way, they played man on man, shut down all the outlets and forced the dump kick down the line to 50/50.
Why do we stick with the zone and not play man on man?
Is it to have forwards in space on turnover or to get an extra back deeper?
Seems like we try and create an illusion of no space to kick to but good teams like Geelong know better and find targets. We cut off a few kicks by rushing and spoiling the receiver but it's not a reliable strategy against good kickers/smart movers.
We struggle to keep up with the shell game and allow the loose into space. Watching teams consistently outsmart us like this is very frustrating
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Rattens plan just played into their hands, allowing them to possess the ball at their leisure was hair pulling stuff. He hasnt learnt one f...... thing in the past when we have lost to them - is the guy a complete muppet?
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
A tactic that should be used to stop a run on. Get things back on an even footing, and then go back to plan or A+.
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
There you go - our problem in one - we try Plan B - then never revert to plan A - have a look at why we give up leadsSt Plugger wrote: ↑Sun 15 Aug 2021 1:34pmA tactic that should be used to stop a run on. Get things back on an even footing, and then go back to plan or A+.
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
When you are minus 40 in contested ball it is hard to stop any team, let alone a top team , play their game style.
Look at first why they had so much of the ball, Marshall's worst game I have seen.
Look at first why they had so much of the ball, Marshall's worst game I have seen.
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I am hoping we are one of the 10 Victorian .? teams talking to him
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Everyone knows geelongs MO
It’s the most obvious game style in the AFL
Don’t allow two things
1/kicking High and deep they are the best arial defenders in the AFL
2/ do NOT zone off through the middle
It’s the most obvious game style in the AFL
Don’t allow two things
1/kicking High and deep they are the best arial defenders in the AFL
2/ do NOT zone off through the middle
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
More info: whole coaching panel or did Ratts veto a flash of genius from his assistants. Still find it hard to agree out coached - but accept Tony74s view - when our chaps fumble at critical times and Hill gifts goals and there are key umpiring errors that lead directly to scores in a close game. How does that work, we should have won by how much?
Know nothing coach me saw a game where our players just stopped taking the game on and became reactive and could not adjust to King being disabled and mid field group became impotent, not even speed humps. I imagine Ratts said boys think, remember the plan, play to it, compose. Mids try to at least neutralise clearances. What moves should he have made? Can't just say outcoached without the why bit, can you?
Know nothing coach me saw a game where our players just stopped taking the game on and became reactive and could not adjust to King being disabled and mid field group became impotent, not even speed humps. I imagine Ratts said boys think, remember the plan, play to it, compose. Mids try to at least neutralise clearances. What moves should he have made? Can't just say outcoached without the why bit, can you?
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Re: Don’t get beaten by what you know!!!
Geelong kept the ball off StK and controlled the tempo of the game. Could not get our hands on it!!!
Danger and Guthrie dominated around the ball
And when it got to the outside they maintained possession of the footy.
There needed to be more aggressive pressing up
And we needed to turn it into a faster tempo turn over game.
We may have lost by more
But could have won.
Because reality is… after Qtr time we lost by 45 points
Danger and Guthrie dominated around the ball
And when it got to the outside they maintained possession of the footy.
There needed to be more aggressive pressing up
And we needed to turn it into a faster tempo turn over game.
We may have lost by more
But could have won.
Because reality is… after Qtr time we lost by 45 points
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Bottom line is we lost was it coaching was it umpiring was it player error doesn't really matter look at the result in 20 years time it will still say the same thing we lost .Gave ourselves a real chance to beat Geelong at home for the fist time in decades but could not get it done typical St.Kilda close but not close enough .
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Tony74 as pretty much eluded to the fact Ratts needs better coaches around him or his coaching isn't good enough to match it with the best.
So we are either sacking Ratts for Clarkson
Hiring a senior assistant to help Ratts..??
Which is it?
So we are either sacking Ratts for Clarkson
Hiring a senior assistant to help Ratts..??
Which is it?