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Post: # 1920319Post B.M »

Uncontested marks!!!


Allowed them to control the footy


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Post: # 1920361Post Devilhead »

Ratten has no idea how to stop it


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Post: # 1920365Post B.M »

Press up on them!!!


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Post: # 1920366Post bangaulegend »

They are the best at it but you would think we could come up with a strategy to counteract it but they just kept finding that loose player time & time again. Really fu----g annoying


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Post: # 1920411Post saynta »

Different game I know but when I played in the 60s, if you didn't stand your man, the coach would very quickly replace you with a reserve.


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Post: # 1920414Post Sainter_Dad »

You beat what you know by having a better executed Plan A - get 5 goals up - let them get a few back - but then start again - get another 5 goals up - let them get a few - start again - rinse and repeat....

Why can't we do it?

Because we do not have belief
We do not have a winning culture
We do not have faith in the system
We look for Plan B

I have been critical of St Kilda's game plan for years - because we are always the Hunter - Richmond don't care if the opposition get a few quick goals - they just do what THEY do well - refocus and continue doing the Richmond thing.

Danger'fling' said as much in his interview:
- Were you concerned when they got 5 goals up?
- Nope - we just went back and trusted the process.
[Paraphrased]

We kicked 5 goals in about 10 minutes - do that 4 times in a game - I don't care what chippy chippy the other team does - 20 goals wins you most matches.

We now have the weapons:
- King
- Sharman
- Membrey
- Higgins
- Butler
- Resting Mid

That is a F@rking Potent Forward line

Just need a midfield that does not get smacked week in - week out
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Post: # 1920415Post saynta »

Sainter_Dad wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 11:39am You beat what you know by having a better executed Plan A - get 5 goals up - let them get a few back - but then start again - get another 5 goals up - let them get a few - start again - rinse and repeat....

Why can't we do it?

Because we do not have belief
We do not have a winning culture
We do not have faith in the system
We look for Plan B

I have been critical of St Kilda's game plan for years - because we are always the Hunter - Richmond don't care if the opposition get a few quick goals - they just do what THEY do well - refocus and continue doing the Richmond thing.

Danger'fling' said as much in his interview:
- Were you concerned when they got 5 goals up?
- Nope - we just went back and trusted the process.
[Paraphrased]

We kicked 5 goals in about 10 minutes - do that 4 times in a game - I don't care what chippy chippy the other team does - 20 goals wins you most matches.

We now have the weapons:
- King
- Sharman
- Membrey
- Higgins
- Butler
- Resting Mid

That is a F@rking Potent Forward line
Makes sense to me.


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Post: # 1920417Post Sainter_Dad »

saynta wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 11:40am
Makes sense to me.
Not saying we shouldn't try and restrict the opposition - but we should not completely throw our own 'Best Chance' out the window - we have not played to our strengths for a long time


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Post: # 1920422Post B.M »

Simply

Mid and forwards folded back, cats just kicked it to their opponents


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Post: # 1920430Post spiral3 »

Noticed one passage when they moved it out of their back half, chippy chippy to the loose man moving into space with our players guarding grass in zone/space defence. We couldn't shut the movement down.
By contrast when we moved out of defence in a structured way, they played man on man, shut down all the outlets and forced the dump kick down the line to 50/50.
Why do we stick with the zone and not play man on man?
Is it to have forwards in space on turnover or to get an extra back deeper?
Seems like we try and create an illusion of no space to kick to but good teams like Geelong know better and find targets. We cut off a few kicks by rushing and spoiling the receiver but it's not a reliable strategy against good kickers/smart movers.
We struggle to keep up with the shell game and allow the loose into space. Watching teams consistently outsmart us like this is very frustrating


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Post: # 1920436Post Impatient Sainter »

Rattens plan just played into their hands, allowing them to possess the ball at their leisure was hair pulling stuff. He hasnt learnt one f...... thing in the past when we have lost to them - is the guy a complete muppet?


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saynta wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 11:36am Different game I know but when I played in the 60s, if you didn't stand your man, the coach would very quickly replace you with a reserve.
A tactic that should be used to stop a run on. Get things back on an even footing, and then go back to plan or A+.


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St Plugger wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 1:34pm
saynta wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 11:36am Different game I know but when I played in the 60s, if you didn't stand your man, the coach would very quickly replace you with a reserve.
A tactic that should be used to stop a run on. Get things back on an even footing, and then go back to plan or A+.
There you go - our problem in one - we try Plan B - then never revert to plan A - have a look at why we give up leads


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Post: # 1920468Post Hack »

Good too see Ratten taking some responsibility (not) for being totally out coached


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Post: # 1920470Post older saint »

When you are minus 40 in contested ball it is hard to stop any team, let alone a top team , play their game style.
Look at first why they had so much of the ball, Marshall's worst game I have seen.


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Outcoached


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tony74 wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 4:12pmOutcoached
Hello!

Are we talking to Clarkson Tony?


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Post: # 1920494Post saynta »

tony74 wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 4:12pmOutcoached
Yep. Unfortunately. By an eye gouging thug. :cry:


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Banger9798 wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 5:04pm
tony74 wrote: Sun 15 Aug 2021 4:12pmOutcoached
Hello!

Are we talking to Clarkson Tony?
I am hoping we are one of the 10 Victorian .? teams talking to him


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Post: # 1920496Post B.M »

Everyone knows geelongs MO

It’s the most obvious game style in the AFL

Don’t allow two things

1/kicking High and deep they are the best arial defenders in the AFL
2/ do NOT zone off through the middle


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Post: # 1920525Post Yorkeys »

More info: whole coaching panel or did Ratts veto a flash of genius from his assistants. Still find it hard to agree out coached - but accept Tony74s view - when our chaps fumble at critical times and Hill gifts goals and there are key umpiring errors that lead directly to scores in a close game. How does that work, we should have won by how much?

Know nothing coach me saw a game where our players just stopped taking the game on and became reactive and could not adjust to King being disabled and mid field group became impotent, not even speed humps. I imagine Ratts said boys think, remember the plan, play to it, compose. Mids try to at least neutralise clearances. What moves should he have made? Can't just say outcoached without the why bit, can you?


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Post: # 1920537Post B.M »

Geelong kept the ball off StK and controlled the tempo of the game. Could not get our hands on it!!!

Danger and Guthrie dominated around the ball

And when it got to the outside they maintained possession of the footy.
There needed to be more aggressive pressing up

And we needed to turn it into a faster tempo turn over game.

We may have lost by more

But could have won.

Because reality is… after Qtr time we lost by 45 points


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Post: # 1920544Post tony74 »

Your first line Yorkey


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Post: # 1920561Post bangaulegend »

Bottom line is we lost was it coaching was it umpiring was it player error doesn't really matter look at the result in 20 years time it will still say the same thing we lost .Gave ourselves a real chance to beat Geelong at home for the fist time in decades but could not get it done typical St.Kilda close but not close enough .


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Post: # 1920568Post The Recruit »

Tony74 as pretty much eluded to the fact Ratts needs better coaches around him or his coaching isn't good enough to match it with the best.

So we are either sacking Ratts for Clarkson
Hiring a senior assistant to help Ratts..??

Which is it?


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