Tim Paine

[Wayne42]

I'm sure Tim's wife was thrilled to find out her husband was sending dick pics to another woman. Fabulous for his kids, too , no doubt.

Now, alot of us here grew up in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Imagine back then taking a picture of your schlong and mailing it to someone...........

With 40% of us getting divorced and God knows how many wishing they could/would ...we can be forgiven for thinking that kids don't exactly imagine it's a world of roses.

I am not defending it, it is just that with the explosion of technology during this generation's lifetime, this sort of thing is bound to happen.

That lawyer's message about the offence is clearly script and we are just not in a position to tell what was going on based on that alone.

The media of course can't be blamed either. They are simply taking advantage of the situation too.

Who knows, a mental counselor could also be involved. It is not hard to imagine a scenario (not saying it went down like this at all..)

1) Couple get infatuated
2) Can't meet, so text
3) Then pics..
4) one get's silly, goes overboard
5) other feels awkward but leaves it
6) One side (maybe the man) loses infatuation, the other a little scorned, the texter also worried about the trail, withdraws more, more scorn loss of respect
7) days, weeks, months, years...
8) one gets counseling for who knows what
8) one get's in trouble, end up on court
9) in defence, says...mental disorder
10) called to 'prove it'
11) PTSD ...is called...I was traumatized by texts
12) Tell us...tells and tells
12) media nuclear alarm

In no way, do I know what happened, or have any clues...i just image versions of this scenario being very plausible

She was at paines to blame Tim's dick.

Paines me to think of all the pain jokes circulating around Australia .

Imagine the Balmy Army will be singing songs about it if they can make it over here …..

Sand paper and Paine!

[Devilhead]

Meh .... blessing in disguise - time to bring in WK youth and give Smith back the captaincy

[Vortex]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

I'm not sure if societal maturity has any relevance in this tawdry drama - yes, I understand that younger generations are far more permissive but that doesn't mean that these sorts of behaviours should be condoned, is unfettered debauchery (anything goes) really acceptable and the way to go?

For every incident of this type where high profile individual are exposed for offensive behaviour that is dragged through the media there will be innocent victims - how would you like to be his wife, his kids, his parents, how do you imagine the Paine family members will be feeling today??

By today's standards this may well be a 'trivial matter' and a regular occurrence, but when it is played out in the mass media it takes on a whole new dimension quite out of proportion had the two parties been nobodies.

This is why I find it staggering to think that neither Paine nor Cricket Australia had the nous to realise that sooner or later this affair would come to light - if Paine had not been appointed captain of the Australian Test team, one of the most prestigious leadership roles in the nation, it would have barely rated a mention.

I'm also astonished to read that CA have publicly declared that Paine is still in consideration for a spot in the team for the 1st test match at the Gabba in December - do they really believe that if Paine remains the wicketkeeper that the media are going to go easy on him, let alone a raucous Balmy Army??

Like it or not the fact is that so long as Paine remains on the stage of international cricket he will continue to be haunted by the media and the story will not go away.

Gideon Haigh, one of my favourite scribes has written a great story in today's Australian:

"PAINE'S REAL CRIME IS GETTING CAUGHT OUT

The great Yankees and Mets manager Casey Stengel was once asked that perennial question: did a player having sex ahead of a game impair athletic performance? No, he replied: the problems arose when a player went looking for sex.

If not perhaps in quite the way Stengel imagined it, Tim Paine now understands this to be true. The night before and morning of a Brisbane Test four years ago, Paine was nowhere near the object of his ardour, but his phone provided a point of connection, for an itch better left unscratched. Life went on, until more significant scratchings, in Cape Town in 2018. This turned Paine from a horny wicketkeeper into an upstanding captain — a Mr Clean, in fact, abruptly tasked with distancing Australian cricket from its gravest public relations disaster.

The board of Cricket Australia was unaware of Paine’s private peccadillos at the time of his appointment, but learned of them soon after, thanks to a complaint by the co-respondent, an employee of Cricket Tasmania. Two investigations deemed the matter private, and not to infringe the complex codes of conduct that contemporary cricketers are required to observe.

Paine proved, as we know, a sound choice — one on which CA regularly congratulated itself.

Now Paine’s prior indiscretion has reached out and tapped him on the shoulder, for reasons that will probably grow clearer as more emerges, but may not be unconnected to money. Paine’s embarrassment is, obviously, acute; so will be that of his family, on Friday unseen, but, no doubt, privately suffering.

Yet CA’s board has effectively chosen to add to their mortification, because to do otherwise is to endanger its corporate reputation — the reputation Paine helped hugely to rebuild. “On reflection,” Paine said sorrowfully on Friday, “my actions in 2017 do not meet the standards of an Australian cricket captain — or the wider community.”

But, of course, Paine was not captain in 2017. He had barely rejoined the team, having flirted with retirement before flirting with anyone else. And, y’know, about that wider community. After all, the last few years have hardly been a vintage period for exemplary behaviour in public life by anyone.

Premiers have brazenly routinely flouted declarations of interests. Government ministers have ridden out affairs with staffers. After his, the deputy prime minister served no more than a token period on the sidelines before blustering back to power.

Politicians were outraged by ball-tampering in 2018. This kind, not so much. On one level, it feels like we have reverted to the attitudes of July 2000 when Shane Warne lost the vice-captaincy for a not-dissimilar escapade when he was not representing Australia, not even in Australia, and that had nothing to do with the discharge of his cricket responsibilities.

Within ten years, this had become a subject of ribald humour. “This s*** is addictive/Thank God for predictive,” sang Eddie Perfect in Shane Warne: The Musical. ‘Sex is the best thing but next best is texting/What an SMS I’m in….”

But maybe it’s not the moral climate that has changed so much as the workplace climate, which is vastly more sensitive; what used to pass even between consenting adults no longer does. Sandpapergate, too, has left Australian cricket brittle, paranoid and reactive. Perhaps, too, there are factors of which we are unaware, contexts to which we are not privy. Who knew what when is always worth knowing.

Still, one wonders what point codes of conduct serve if their parameters only apply when subjects are confidential, and if their conclusions can be, effectively, retrospectively voided. The observation is open that what matters is not getting caught, and not thereby tarnishing the brand.

Which is an attitude that leads to more cynicism, not less; it looks silly, not serious. Let’s be honest. Australian cricketers have, since time immemorial, had normal human appetites and standard human weaknesses. They’ve performed great deeds on the cricket field; they’ve done stupid, impetuous, indiscrete things off it; they’ve left behind a lot of first wives too.

Seriously, imagine Keith Miller in the age of SMS. Great character that he was, you’d hardly have wanted to know about the pics on his phone.

Another line of Stengel’s comes to mind: “When you are younger you get blamed for crimes you never committed. When you’re older you get credit for virtues you never possessed.” In Paine’s case, this has perhaps been reversed. He can console himself with the great manager’s conclusion: “It evens itself out.”

Misguided Outrage is a big part of the problem. You'd have to be a complete moron not to know the real Outrage should be directed at the sleeze bags who knew about this a long time ago yet have only let it become public now to protect their own agenda at the expense of a fine young man. . Like a completely out of touch moron and the like who are farking this world presently are the ones who will not see this for what it is and hate on a young man.

[samoht]

The idiot should be flayed with a bull's pizzle whip.

The punishment would fit the crime.

[Wayne42]

I'm calling him Dick Paine from now on.

[shanegrambeau]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

I'm not sure if societal maturity has any relevance in this tawdry drama - yes, I understand that younger generations are far more permissive but that doesn't mean that these sorts of behaviours should be condoned, is unfettered debauchery (anything goes) really acceptable and the way to go?

For every incident of this type where high profile individual are exposed for offensive behaviour that is dragged through the media there will be innocent victims - how would you like to be his wife, his kids, his parents, how do you imagine the Paine family members will be feeling today??

By today's standards this may well be a 'trivial matter' and a regular occurrence, but when it is played out in the mass media it takes on a whole new dimension quite out of proportion had the two parties been nobodies.

This is why I find it staggering to think that neither Paine nor Cricket Australia had the nous to realise that sooner or later this affair would come to light - if Paine had not been appointed captain of the Australian Test team, one of the most prestigious leadership roles in the nation, it would have barely rated a mention.

I'm also astonished to read that CA have publicly declared that Paine is still in consideration for a spot in the team for the 1st test match at the Gabba in December - do they really believe that if Paine remains the wicketkeeper that the media are going to go easy on him, let alone a raucous Balmy Army??

Like it or not the fact is that so long as Paine remains on the stage of international cricket he will continue to be haunted by the media and the story will not go away.

Gideon Haigh, one of my favourite scribes has written a great story in today's Australian:

"PAINE'S REAL CRIME IS GETTING CAUGHT OUT

The great Yankees and Mets manager Casey Stengel was once asked that perennial question: did a player having sex ahead of a game impair athletic performance? No, he replied: the problems arose when a player went looking for sex.

If not perhaps in quite the way Stengel imagined it, Tim Paine now understands this to be true. The night before and morning of a Brisbane Test four years ago, Paine was nowhere near the object of his ardour, but his phone provided a point of connection, for an itch better left unscratched. Life went on, until more significant scratchings, in Cape Town in 2018. This turned Paine from a horny wicketkeeper into an upstanding captain — a Mr Clean, in fact, abruptly tasked with distancing Australian cricket from its gravest public relations disaster.

The board of Cricket Australia was unaware of Paine’s private peccadillos at the time of his appointment, but learned of them soon after, thanks to a complaint by the co-respondent, an employee of Cricket Tasmania. Two investigations deemed the matter private, and not to infringe the complex codes of conduct that contemporary cricketers are required to observe.

Paine proved, as we know, a sound choice — one on which CA regularly congratulated itself.

Now Paine’s prior indiscretion has reached out and tapped him on the shoulder, for reasons that will probably grow clearer as more emerges, but may not be unconnected to money. Paine’s embarrassment is, obviously, acute; so will be that of his family, on Friday unseen, but, no doubt, privately suffering.

Yet CA’s board has effectively chosen to add to their mortification, because to do otherwise is to endanger its corporate reputation — the reputation Paine helped hugely to rebuild. “On reflection,” Paine said sorrowfully on Friday, “my actions in 2017 do not meet the standards of an Australian cricket captain — or the wider community.”

But, of course, Paine was not captain in 2017. He had barely rejoined the team, having flirted with retirement before flirting with anyone else. And, y’know, about that wider community. After all, the last few years have hardly been a vintage period for exemplary behaviour in public life by anyone.

Premiers have brazenly routinely flouted declarations of interests. Government ministers have ridden out affairs with staffers. After his, the deputy prime minister served no more than a token period on the sidelines before blustering back to power.

Politicians were outraged by ball-tampering in 2018. This kind, not so much. On one level, it feels like we have reverted to the attitudes of July 2000 when Shane Warne lost the vice-captaincy for a not-dissimilar escapade when he was not representing Australia, not even in Australia, and that had nothing to do with the discharge of his cricket responsibilities.

Within ten years, this had become a subject of ribald humour. “This s*** is addictive/Thank God for predictive,” sang Eddie Perfect in Shane Warne: The Musical. ‘Sex is the best thing but next best is texting/What an SMS I’m in….”

But maybe it’s not the moral climate that has changed so much as the workplace climate, which is vastly more sensitive; what used to pass even between consenting adults no longer does. Sandpapergate, too, has left Australian cricket brittle, paranoid and reactive. Perhaps, too, there are factors of which we are unaware, contexts to which we are not privy. Who knew what when is always worth knowing.

Still, one wonders what point codes of conduct serve if their parameters only apply when subjects are confidential, and if their conclusions can be, effectively, retrospectively voided. The observation is open that what matters is not getting caught, and not thereby tarnishing the brand.

Which is an attitude that leads to more cynicism, not less; it looks silly, not serious. Let’s be honest. Australian cricketers have, since time immemorial, had normal human appetites and standard human weaknesses. They’ve performed great deeds on the cricket field; they’ve done stupid, impetuous, indiscrete things off it; they’ve left behind a lot of first wives too.

Seriously, imagine Keith Miller in the age of SMS. Great character that he was, you’d hardly have wanted to know about the pics on his phone.

Another line of Stengel’s comes to mind: “When you are younger you get blamed for crimes you never committed. When you’re older you get credit for virtues you never possessed.” In Paine’s case, this has perhaps been reversed. He can console himself with the great manager’s conclusion: “It evens itself out.”

Misguided Outrage is a big part of the problem. You'd have to be a complete moron not to know the real Outrage should be directed at the sleeze bags who knew about this a long time ago yet have only let it become public now to protect their own agenda at the expense of a fine young man. . Like a completely out of touch moron and the like who are farking this world presently are the ones who will not see this for what it is and hate on a young man.

It is so sad and to acknowledge that we are here now...I don't disagree with what is written above.

The most distasteful but is how humans come out of the ironwork to protect the iron machine that protects them. I am just an employee in a great machine, and I have seen all kinds of people pass through it, get munched up by it, spat out, and yet I see more who bend, at the final call, into a shape that serves it,, because it serves them....It is even a pathology.

When the Gestapo came (OK, I confess, I'm not sure it was officially the 'Gestapo' or some other official technocrat/bureaucrats) came to knock on Erwin Rommel's door in October 1944, to take him for 'drive out into the woods' (i.e. compel him to take his own life), they had to know Germany's war was lost. The Allies had already conquered France and were standing at the German border. The Russians were in Hungary and the Americans were pushing into Northern Italy. They knew the machine that which sustained them, had not long to live. But they also knew where their pay check was coming from next week, and they certainly knew the cost of resisting the 'message' was a similar fate to Rommel's. So they look a hero in the face. A guy who had been a hero both in the first and second world wars, and told him, he needs to 'get in the car'.

Paine is no 'hero' although the public persona of him as cricket captain post scratch-gate isn't altogether different. He was probably seen as saintly. And so Cricket Tassie probably tried to do what they could, until it became a matter of 'him or them'.

Gee, we are fabulous.

I suppose her lawyer asked her for anything that could help the case when she was caught stealing and fired.

[Dis Believer]

Always back the horse called "Self Interest"......

[Ghost Like]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

I'm not sure if societal maturity has any relevance in this tawdry drama - yes, I understand that younger generations are far more permissive but that doesn't mean that these sorts of behaviours should be condoned, is unfettered debauchery (anything goes) really acceptable and the way to go?

For every incident of this type where high profile individual are exposed for offensive behaviour that is dragged through the media there will be innocent victims - how would you like to be his wife, his kids, his parents, how do you imagine the Paine family members will be feeling today??

By today's standards this may well be a 'trivial matter' and a regular occurrence, but when it is played out in the mass media it takes on a whole new dimension quite out of proportion had the two parties been nobodies.

This is why I find it staggering to think that neither Paine nor Cricket Australia had the nous to realise that sooner or later this affair would come to light - if Paine had not been appointed captain of the Australian Test team, one of the most prestigious leadership roles in the nation, it would have barely rated a mention.

I'm also astonished to read that CA have publicly declared that Paine is still in consideration for a spot in the team for the 1st test match at the Gabba in December - do they really believe that if Paine remains the wicketkeeper that the media are going to go easy on him, let alone a raucous Balmy Army??

Like it or not the fact is that so long as Paine remains on the stage of international cricket he will continue to be haunted by the media and the story will not go away.

Gideon Haigh, one of my favourite scribes has written a great story in today's Australian:

"PAINE'S REAL CRIME IS GETTING CAUGHT OUT

The great Yankees and Mets manager Casey Stengel was once asked that perennial question: did a player having sex ahead of a game impair athletic performance? No, he replied: the problems arose when a player went looking for sex.

If not perhaps in quite the way Stengel imagined it, Tim Paine now understands this to be true. The night before and morning of a Brisbane Test four years ago, Paine was nowhere near the object of his ardour, but his phone provided a point of connection, for an itch better left unscratched. Life went on, until more significant scratchings, in Cape Town in 2018. This turned Paine from a horny wicketkeeper into an upstanding captain — a Mr Clean, in fact, abruptly tasked with distancing Australian cricket from its gravest public relations disaster.

The board of Cricket Australia was unaware of Paine’s private peccadillos at the time of his appointment, but learned of them soon after, thanks to a complaint by the co-respondent, an employee of Cricket Tasmania. Two investigations deemed the matter private, and not to infringe the complex codes of conduct that contemporary cricketers are required to observe.

Paine proved, as we know, a sound choice — one on which CA regularly congratulated itself.

Now Paine’s prior indiscretion has reached out and tapped him on the shoulder, for reasons that will probably grow clearer as more emerges, but may not be unconnected to money. Paine’s embarrassment is, obviously, acute; so will be that of his family, on Friday unseen, but, no doubt, privately suffering.

Yet CA’s board has effectively chosen to add to their mortification, because to do otherwise is to endanger its corporate reputation — the reputation Paine helped hugely to rebuild. “On reflection,” Paine said sorrowfully on Friday, “my actions in 2017 do not meet the standards of an Australian cricket captain — or the wider community.”

But, of course, Paine was not captain in 2017. He had barely rejoined the team, having flirted with retirement before flirting with anyone else. And, y’know, about that wider community. After all, the last few years have hardly been a vintage period for exemplary behaviour in public life by anyone.

Premiers have brazenly routinely flouted declarations of interests. Government ministers have ridden out affairs with staffers. After his, the deputy prime minister served no more than a token period on the sidelines before blustering back to power.

Politicians were outraged by ball-tampering in 2018. This kind, not so much. On one level, it feels like we have reverted to the attitudes of July 2000 when Shane Warne lost the vice-captaincy for a not-dissimilar escapade when he was not representing Australia, not even in Australia, and that had nothing to do with the discharge of his cricket responsibilities.

Within ten years, this had become a subject of ribald humour. “This s*** is addictive/Thank God for predictive,” sang Eddie Perfect in Shane Warne: The Musical. ‘Sex is the best thing but next best is texting/What an SMS I’m in….”

But maybe it’s not the moral climate that has changed so much as the workplace climate, which is vastly more sensitive; what used to pass even between consenting adults no longer does. Sandpapergate, too, has left Australian cricket brittle, paranoid and reactive. Perhaps, too, there are factors of which we are unaware, contexts to which we are not privy. Who knew what when is always worth knowing.

Still, one wonders what point codes of conduct serve if their parameters only apply when subjects are confidential, and if their conclusions can be, effectively, retrospectively voided. The observation is open that what matters is not getting caught, and not thereby tarnishing the brand.

Which is an attitude that leads to more cynicism, not less; it looks silly, not serious. Let’s be honest. Australian cricketers have, since time immemorial, had normal human appetites and standard human weaknesses. They’ve performed great deeds on the cricket field; they’ve done stupid, impetuous, indiscrete things off it; they’ve left behind a lot of first wives too.

Seriously, imagine Keith Miller in the age of SMS. Great character that he was, you’d hardly have wanted to know about the pics on his phone.

Another line of Stengel’s comes to mind: “When you are younger you get blamed for crimes you never committed. When you’re older you get credit for virtues you never possessed.” In Paine’s case, this has perhaps been reversed. He can console himself with the great manager’s conclusion: “It evens itself out.”

Misguided Outrage is a big part of the problem. You'd have to be a complete moron not to know the real Outrage should be directed at the sleeze bags who knew about this a long time ago yet have only let it become public now to protect their own agenda at the expense of a fine young man. . Like a completely out of touch moron and the like who are farking this world presently are the ones who will not see this for what it is and hate on a young man.

It is so sad and to acknowledge that we are here now...I don't disagree with what is written above.

The most distasteful but is how humans come out of the ironwork to protect the iron machine that protects them. I am just an employee in a great machine, and I have seen all kinds of people pass through it, get munched up by it, spat out, and yet I see more who bend, at the final call, into a shape that serves it,, because it serves them....It is even a pathology.

When the Gestapo came (OK, I confess, I'm not sure it was officially the 'Gestapo' or some other official technocrat/bureaucrats) came to knock on Erwin Rommel's door in October 1944, to take him for 'drive out into the woods' (i.e. compel him to take his own life), they had to know Germany's war was lost. The Allies had already conquered France and were standing at the German border. The Russians were in Hungary and the Americans were pushing into Northern Italy. They knew the machine that which sustained them, had not long to live. But they also knew where their pay check was coming from next week, and they certainly knew the cost of resisting the 'message' was a similar fate to Rommel's. So they look a hero in the face. A guy who had been a hero both in the first and second world wars, and told him, he needs to 'get in the car'.

Paine is no 'hero' although the public persona of him as cricket captain post scratch-gate isn't altogether different. He was probably seen as saintly. And so Cricket Tassie probably tried to do what they could, until it became a matter of 'him or them'.

Gee, we are fabulous.

I suppose her lawyer asked her for anything that could help the case when she was caught stealing and fired.

OMG! This is somehow paralleled with the Gestapo & Rommel??? Really? Are we that desperate to explain where we are in 2021?

[Vortex]

We really do have to mature as a society and get over ourselves so these petty incidents aren't so called news worthy events.

Who cares, this next generation are sextting like rabbits and are addicted to porn.

Just a shame we have to ruin lives over such trival matters.

I'm not sure if societal maturity has any relevance in this tawdry drama - yes, I understand that younger generations are far more permissive but that doesn't mean that these sorts of behaviours should be condoned, is unfettered debauchery (anything goes) really acceptable and the way to go?

For every incident of this type where high profile individual are exposed for offensive behaviour that is dragged through the media there will be innocent victims - how would you like to be his wife, his kids, his parents, how do you imagine the Paine family members will be feeling today??

By today's standards this may well be a 'trivial matter' and a regular occurrence, but when it is played out in the mass media it takes on a whole new dimension quite out of proportion had the two parties been nobodies.

This is why I find it staggering to think that neither Paine nor Cricket Australia had the nous to realise that sooner or later this affair would come to light - if Paine had not been appointed captain of the Australian Test team, one of the most prestigious leadership roles in the nation, it would have barely rated a mention.

I'm also astonished to read that CA have publicly declared that Paine is still in consideration for a spot in the team for the 1st test match at the Gabba in December - do they really believe that if Paine remains the wicketkeeper that the media are going to go easy on him, let alone a raucous Balmy Army??

Like it or not the fact is that so long as Paine remains on the stage of international cricket he will continue to be haunted by the media and the story will not go away.

Gideon Haigh, one of my favourite scribes has written a great story in today's Australian:

"PAINE'S REAL CRIME IS GETTING CAUGHT OUT

The great Yankees and Mets manager Casey Stengel was once asked that perennial question: did a player having sex ahead of a game impair athletic performance? No, he replied: the problems arose when a player went looking for sex.

If not perhaps in quite the way Stengel imagined it, Tim Paine now understands this to be true. The night before and morning of a Brisbane Test four years ago, Paine was nowhere near the object of his ardour, but his phone provided a point of connection, for an itch better left unscratched. Life went on, until more significant scratchings, in Cape Town in 2018. This turned Paine from a horny wicketkeeper into an upstanding captain — a Mr Clean, in fact, abruptly tasked with distancing Australian cricket from its gravest public relations disaster.

The board of Cricket Australia was unaware of Paine’s private peccadillos at the time of his appointment, but learned of them soon after, thanks to a complaint by the co-respondent, an employee of Cricket Tasmania. Two investigations deemed the matter private, and not to infringe the complex codes of conduct that contemporary cricketers are required to observe.

Paine proved, as we know, a sound choice — one on which CA regularly congratulated itself.

Now Paine’s prior indiscretion has reached out and tapped him on the shoulder, for reasons that will probably grow clearer as more emerges, but may not be unconnected to money. Paine’s embarrassment is, obviously, acute; so will be that of his family, on Friday unseen, but, no doubt, privately suffering.

Yet CA’s board has effectively chosen to add to their mortification, because to do otherwise is to endanger its corporate reputation — the reputation Paine helped hugely to rebuild. “On reflection,” Paine said sorrowfully on Friday, “my actions in 2017 do not meet the standards of an Australian cricket captain — or the wider community.”

But, of course, Paine was not captain in 2017. He had barely rejoined the team, having flirted with retirement before flirting with anyone else. And, y’know, about that wider community. After all, the last few years have hardly been a vintage period for exemplary behaviour in public life by anyone.

Premiers have brazenly routinely flouted declarations of interests. Government ministers have ridden out affairs with staffers. After his, the deputy prime minister served no more than a token period on the sidelines before blustering back to power.

Politicians were outraged by ball-tampering in 2018. This kind, not so much. On one level, it feels like we have reverted to the attitudes of July 2000 when Shane Warne lost the vice-captaincy for a not-dissimilar escapade when he was not representing Australia, not even in Australia, and that had nothing to do with the discharge of his cricket responsibilities.

Within ten years, this had become a subject of ribald humour. “This s*** is addictive/Thank God for predictive,” sang Eddie Perfect in Shane Warne: The Musical. ‘Sex is the best thing but next best is texting/What an SMS I’m in….”

But maybe it’s not the moral climate that has changed so much as the workplace climate, which is vastly more sensitive; what used to pass even between consenting adults no longer does. Sandpapergate, too, has left Australian cricket brittle, paranoid and reactive. Perhaps, too, there are factors of which we are unaware, contexts to which we are not privy. Who knew what when is always worth knowing.

Still, one wonders what point codes of conduct serve if their parameters only apply when subjects are confidential, and if their conclusions can be, effectively, retrospectively voided. The observation is open that what matters is not getting caught, and not thereby tarnishing the brand.

Which is an attitude that leads to more cynicism, not less; it looks silly, not serious. Let’s be honest. Australian cricketers have, since time immemorial, had normal human appetites and standard human weaknesses. They’ve performed great deeds on the cricket field; they’ve done stupid, impetuous, indiscrete things off it; they’ve left behind a lot of first wives too.

Seriously, imagine Keith Miller in the age of SMS. Great character that he was, you’d hardly have wanted to know about the pics on his phone.

Another line of Stengel’s comes to mind: “When you are younger you get blamed for crimes you never committed. When you’re older you get credit for virtues you never possessed.” In Paine’s case, this has perhaps been reversed. He can console himself with the great manager’s conclusion: “It evens itself out.”

Misguided Outrage is a big part of the problem. You'd have to be a complete moron not to know the real Outrage should be directed at the sleeze bags who knew about this a long time ago yet have only let it become public now to protect their own agenda at the expense of a fine young man. . Like a completely out of touch moron and the like who are farking this world presently are the ones who will not see this for what it is and hate on a young man.

It is so sad and to acknowledge that we are here now...I don't disagree with what is written above.

The most distasteful but is how humans come out of the ironwork to protect the iron machine that protects them. I am just an employee in a great machine, and I have seen all kinds of people pass through it, get munched up by it, spat out, and yet I see more who bend, at the final call, into a shape that serves it,, because it serves them....It is even a pathology.

When the Gestapo came (OK, I confess, I'm not sure it was officially the 'Gestapo' or some other official technocrat/bureaucrats) came to knock on Erwin Rommel's door in October 1944, to take him for 'drive out into the woods' (i.e. compel him to take his own life), they had to know Germany's war was lost. The Allies had already conquered France and were standing at the German border. The Russians were in Hungary and the Americans were pushing into Northern Italy. They knew the machine that which sustained them, had not long to live. But they also knew where their pay check was coming from next week, and they certainly knew the cost of resisting the 'message' was a similar fate to Rommel's. So they look a hero in the face. A guy who had been a hero both in the first and second world wars, and told him, he needs to 'get in the car'.

Paine is no 'hero' although the public persona of him as cricket captain post scratch-gate isn't altogether different. He was probably seen as saintly. And so Cricket Tassie probably tried to do what they could, until it became a matter of 'him or them'.

Gee, we are fabulous.

I suppose her lawyer asked her for anything that could help the case when she was caught stealing and fired.

OMG! This is somehow paralleled with the Gestapo & Rommel??? Really? Are we that desperate to explain where we are in 2021?

Go with it, personally I found it immersive.

[saynta]

Well, I found it to be a really bad post.f***ed if I know how some peoples' brains work.

[shanegrambeau]

Well, I found it to be a really bad post.f***ed if I know how some peoples' brains work.

Saynta,

Fair enough!
Fair to say, I do have a thing for metaphor..and it isn't for everyone..

You know, these days, I wonder how people go about it...and how much they can say, about that...or anything for that matter.

Meantime, no shortage of outrage and obsequious finger pointing.

Meanwhile, two tabs over to the right I have the porn channel.

uh-oh...there I go again..

OK.

I'm out.

[Rubyjo]

Imagine telling your kids in ten years time that you used to captain Australia....and why you stopped....too funny

[saynta]

Sad actually. He was a good captain, but not good enough as a wicket keeper/batsman to keep his position. in the Aussie team.

And who wants to keep the great unwashed offensive f****** mass who call themselves the balmy army in material.

[saynta]

Worth the read.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket ... 59ap0.html

"Men like Tim Paine reveal how little they know - or care - about what women think
Kerri Sackville
Columnist
November 21, 2021 — 4.30pm


I was first exposed to the human male’s pride in his genitalia when I was just a teen. I was babysitting a two-year-old boy, and turned around to find him stark naked, his nappy discarded on the floor. “Look!” he said proudly, holding his tiny, erect penis. “Big penee!”

“Yes, Ben,” I agreed, validating his manhood, as we women have done for generations. “Big penee!”

I was reminded of Ben this week, when I read about disgraced cricket captain Tim Paine, who sent a photo of his own big penee to a female colleague. Just another male, I thought, eager to show off his D to a woman, hoping he’ll get some praise in return.
Former Test captain Tim Paine sent a female colleague an unsolicited photo of his penis.

Former Test captain Tim Paine sent a female colleague an unsolicited photo of his penis.Credit:Nine News

Unsolicited dick pics are one of the many unanticipated and unpleasant consequences of the digital age. Back when I was a babysitter, the only way a man could show a non-consenting woman his junk was to pull down his pants and whip it out. This was called “flashing” and was rightly considered a sex crime. You couldn’t show a woman a photo of your little guy unless you took a pic with your analogue camera, paid for it to be developed at the lab, picked it up from the horrified sales assistant, and showed it to your female friends.

These days, every man with a phone can snap a pic of his doodle, and share it with the click of a button. And let me tell you: a lot of men do. I am in my fifties, and over the past decade I have received countless unsolicited photos of men’s schlongs, and if it is happening to me, one can only imagine what the younger women are experiencing. As a woman in the media, I receive dick pics from men sliding into my DMs on Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook, even on LinkedIn.

They don’t ask. They just show. It’s like a child showing off his Tonka Truck. Look at how big it is! they say. Want to play?


In my lamentably extensive experience, there are two reasons why men send dick pics. First, many straight men harbour a fundamental misunderstanding about the female sexual response. Because men can get aroused by a photo of a random vajayjay, they assume women feel the same about a penis. It’s naive and immature and reveals how little these men know – or even care – about how women think.

For the record, very few women see a disembodied penis and think, “Wow, what a magnificent willy, I must get to know its owner.” We like a penis when it’s attached to a man we find attractive. It almost never, ever happens the other way around.

The second reason men send dick pics is less obtuse, and more malevolent. Some men weaponise their weenies, playing on women’s (constant, justified) fear of sexual violence. Showing a woman your penis without asking for consent is aggressive and intimidating and smacks of male entitlement. An unsolicited dick pic is a harbinger of sexual assault; if you can force a woman to look at your erection, you have no regard for her boundaries, her sensibilities, or her dignity as a person.
With the camera phone came the rise the unsolicited texted dick pic.
Psychologists and women ask why men send 'dick pics'

I have received dick pics from men who are trying to impress me (“Look what I can offer you!” “Er, poor photography skills?“) and I have received dick pics from men who are clearly trying to threaten me (“Tell anyone and I’ll come after ya.“) Whether naive or aggressive, these men are all like Ben: little boys who haven’t yet developed empathy or insight, who think their pee-pees are way more exciting than they really are.

Men, if we women want to see your penis, I promise we will ask. And if we don’t ask, for god’s sake, just leave it in your pants. Your big penee may fascinate you, but it really does nothing for us."

[Life Long Saint]

Sad actually. He was a good captain...

Was he though? When he took over, there was no-one else. Given Australia's rotation policy for bowlers, it couldn't be a bowler other than Lyon.

The Ashes series win in England (probably Paine's highlight) was all about how well Steve Smith batted and the discovery of Labuschagne.
It came down to Smith v Stokes and Smith was better.
The loss at Leeds in the 3rd test was as a result of some of the worst captaincy I've seen.
He lost us that match as much as Stokes won it...maybe more so.

For the record, I couldn't care less what he did before he was a regular part of the team, let alone captain of it.
The standard of behaviour expected of the captain of the cricket team is ridiculous. It cost the best captain we never had in Shane Warne.

[shanegrambeau]

Worth the read.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket ... 59ap0.html

"Men like Tim Paine reveal how little they know - or care - about what women think
Kerri Sackville
Columnist
November 21, 2021 — 4.30pm

Saynta,

I am not trying to challenge you, but I’d be interested to know.

1( what makes it a good read?
2) what is it you think you learned by reading it
3) what do men fundamentally fail to understand?

[Yorkeys]

So no Saints connection.

Ok, then what I think (IMHO) is, so what.

IMHO, ACB contracted players are over paid, over coddled and under performing protected prima donnas, coached by Elmer Fudd. (Watch Shield cricket, there is a lot of talent out there, uncontracted but pretty, pretty good.)

Cannot imagine how current team would have stood up to the great WI sides.

Notice Alan Border is very quiet about this. Australia's cricket captaincy devalued yet again. We have had Clarke, Smith and Paine in close proximity. Must be damned hard to find a good strong captain. Cummins seems to have right stuff, but. Personally I'd bring back Travis head.

[st.byron]

So no Saints connection.

Ok, then what I think (IMHO) is, so what.

IMHO, ACB contracted players are over paid, over coddled and under performing protected prima donnas, coached by Elmer Fudd. (Watch Shield cricket, there is a lot of talent out there, uncontracted but pretty, pretty good.)

Cannot imagine how current team would have stood up to the great WI sides.

Notice Alan Border is very quiet about this. Australia's cricket captaincy devalued yet again. We have had Clarke, Smith and Paine in close proximity. Must be damned hard to find a good strong captain. Cummins seems to have right stuff, but. Personally I'd bring back Travis head.

The whole damn stinking ship is lurching from one embarrassment to the next because cricket is no longer about cricket. It's about franchised, brand worshipping, ADD, giant sparks coming out of cannons product spam.
It's all, primarily and first and foremost about image, spin and 'product'.
Test cricket has been laying bleeding on the altar of the Big Bash for a decade now. Can't see it stopping.

Can anyone think of one successful test match captain, from any country, who has been a fast bowler?
Last Australian captain who was a bowler was maybe Benaud.

[saynta]

Worth the read.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket ... 59ap0.html

"Men like Tim Paine reveal how little they know - or care - about what women think
Kerri Sackville
Columnist
November 21, 2021 — 4.30pm

Saynta,

I am not trying to challenge you, but I’d be interested to know.

1( what makes it a good read?
2) what is it you think you learned by reading it
3) what do men fundamentally fail to understand?

That men who forward unsolicited dick picks to women are grubs

[Sanctorum]

My previous comments could be taken to suggest that I'm some sort of puritan - far from it because I'm as broadminded as anybody. Rather it's from the experience of being the father of 3 loving daughters, one of whom was the victim of abusive behaviour from a male friend that caused her considerable distress at the time.

In essence, disrespect and abuse of women should be treated with the same opprobrium and disgust as racism.

For another perspective on this matter, the following article by Jessica O'Halloran in today's Australian answers the critics who consider this incident trivial and frivolous and believe that Paine deserves to stay in the Australian 1st Eleven:

"HOW HAS PAINE SUDDENLY BECOME VICTIM ?"

by Jessica O'Halloran

"Just like that, Tim Paine has somehow become the victim.

Paine, the guy that sent an unsolicited picture of his penis to a woman and she in turn complained, is the one Cricket Tasmania is saying we should be feeling sorry for.

Cricket Tasmania made it official with a press statement on Tuesday claiming Paine’s treatment by Cricket Australia had been appalling. But what is most “appalling” is both Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia’s handling of this complaint by a woman.

Elite honesty”? Try elite cover-up.

These cricket authorities have tried to convince us they are truly keen on fighting for the fairer sex, when in fact if an incident can destroy their Australian men’s team, they will absolutely protect him at all costs.

This despite the fact that the win-at-all-costs culture was supposedly dismissed after a thorough review into Sandpapergate.

Meanwhile the woman who was the subject of Paine’s sexting — the true victim — who complained in a letter to not only Cricket Tasmania, but Cricket Australia and also to the Human Rights Commission, has been smeared and shamed.

Since the original story was broken by the Herald Sun’s Stephen Drill, the theft charges lodged against her have been pushed aggressively into the light. She allegedly fraudulently obtained a $705 Cricket Tasmania junior and platinum membership, a $339 Hobart Hurricanes family membership, and stole $1942 in cash — and what does that have to do with it all? How does that absolve someone for sending an unsolicited picture of their genitalia?

What this narrative is really doing is deflecting from true issues in the Paine scandal, like the fact CA and Cricket Tasmania are yet to explain how their investigation started with a written complaint from a woman about receiving “unsolicited” images and ended with them being able to declare with absolute certainty that this was an exchange between two consenting adults.

Sure, the woman was not interviewed and didn’t co-operate with the investigation at the time, but really who would want to take on the Test captain?

Certainly not a receptionist in this case.

And while CA sent Paine’s mobile away for forensic testing, which returned no trace of the images or messages, how did they all come to the conclusion — which they now state as hard fact — this was between two consenting adults?

Have they just taken Paine’s word for it? Have they assumed her flirtations were an open invitation for nudity? And if the Test captain can just resign his job for private messages being made public, but can still play Test cricket, does this mean they‘re OK with 10 members of the Test team all sending lewd images to women privately, so long as they’re not the captain?

For all the noise made by Cricket Australia and their state bodies around gender equality, their handling of a genuinely concerning allegation of sexual harassment has been nothing but troubling.

This incident was covered up for three years. And now Paine could still be named in the Ashes team.

It feels like CA are asking Australia to turn a blind eye to the sordid past, and you really shouldn’t expect anything less, because that win-at-all-costs culture still seems to be alive and well."

[shanegrambeau]

Tim Paine becoming a victim or not has absolutely nothing to do with the degree or scope of the 'crime' or whatever it is called.
It is not a zero game.

Both parties can become victims of different things in different ways.

Dumb journo reactions again playing on mob instinct.

[st.byron]

My previous comments could be taken to suggest that I'm some sort of puritan - far from it because I'm as broadminded as anybody. Rather it's from the experience of being the father of 3 loving daughters, one of whom was the victim of abusive behaviour from a male friend that caused her considerable distress at the time.

In essence, disrespect and abuse of women should be treated with the same opprobrium and disgust as racism.

For another perspective on this matter, the following article by Jessica O'Halloran in today's Australian answers the critics who consider this incident trivial and frivolous and believe that Paine deserves to stay in the Australian 1st Eleven:

"HOW HAS PAINE SUDDENLY BECOME VICTIM ?"

by Jessica O'Halloran

"Just like that, Tim Paine has somehow become the victim.

Paine, the guy that sent an unsolicited picture of his penis to a woman and she in turn complained, is the one Cricket Tasmania is saying we should be feeling sorry for.

Cricket Tasmania made it official with a press statement on Tuesday claiming Paine’s treatment by Cricket Australia had been appalling. But what is most “appalling” is both Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia’s handling of this complaint by a woman.

Elite honesty”? Try elite cover-up.

These cricket authorities have tried to convince us they are truly keen on fighting for the fairer sex, when in fact if an incident can destroy their Australian men’s team, they will absolutely protect him at all costs.

This despite the fact that the win-at-all-costs culture was supposedly dismissed after a thorough review into Sandpapergate.

Meanwhile the woman who was the subject of Paine’s sexting — the true victim — who complained in a letter to not only Cricket Tasmania, but Cricket Australia and also to the Human Rights Commission, has been smeared and shamed.

Since the original story was broken by the Herald Sun’s Stephen Drill, the theft charges lodged against her have been pushed aggressively into the light. She allegedly fraudulently obtained a $705 Cricket Tasmania junior and platinum membership, a $339 Hobart Hurricanes family membership, and stole $1942 in cash — and what does that have to do with it all? How does that absolve someone for sending an unsolicited picture of their genitalia?

What this narrative is really doing is deflecting from true issues in the Paine scandal, like the fact CA and Cricket Tasmania are yet to explain how their investigation started with a written complaint from a woman about receiving “unsolicited” images and ended with them being able to declare with absolute certainty that this was an exchange between two consenting adults.

Sure, the woman was not interviewed and didn’t co-operate with the investigation at the time, but really who would want to take on the Test captain?

Certainly not a receptionist in this case.

And while CA sent Paine’s mobile away for forensic testing, which returned no trace of the images or messages, how did they all come to the conclusion — which they now state as hard fact — this was between two consenting adults?

Have they just taken Paine’s word for it? Have they assumed her flirtations were an open invitation for nudity? And if the Test captain can just resign his job for private messages being made public, but can still play Test cricket, does this mean they‘re OK with 10 members of the Test team all sending lewd images to women privately, so long as they’re not the captain?

For all the noise made by Cricket Australia and their state bodies around gender equality, their handling of a genuinely concerning allegation of sexual harassment has been nothing but troubling.

This incident was covered up for three years. And now Paine could still be named in the Ashes team.

It feels like CA are asking Australia to turn a blind eye to the sordid past, and you really shouldn’t expect anything less, because that win-at-all-costs culture still seems to be alive and well."

Thanks Sanctorum. My bet is that he'll stay in the team. CA are bottom feeders.

[saynta]

My previous comments could be taken to suggest that I'm some sort of puritan - far from it because I'm as broadminded as anybody. Rather it's from the experience of being the father of 3 loving daughters, one of whom was the victim of abusive behaviour from a male friend that caused her considerable distress at the time.

In essence, disrespect and abuse of women should be treated with the same opprobrium and disgust as racism.

For another perspective on this matter, the following article by Jessica O'Halloran in today's Australian answers the critics who consider this incident trivial and frivolous and believe that Paine deserves to stay in the Australian 1st Eleven:

"HOW HAS PAINE SUDDENLY BECOME VICTIM ?"

by Jessica O'Halloran

"Just like that, Tim Paine has somehow become the victim.

Paine, the guy that sent an unsolicited picture of his penis to a woman and she in turn complained, is the one Cricket Tasmania is saying we should be feeling sorry for.

Cricket Tasmania made it official with a press statement on Tuesday claiming Paine’s treatment by Cricket Australia had been appalling. But what is most “appalling” is both Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia’s handling of this complaint by a woman.

Elite honesty”? Try elite cover-up.

These cricket authorities have tried to convince us they are truly keen on fighting for the fairer sex, when in fact if an incident can destroy their Australian men’s team, they will absolutely protect him at all costs.

This despite the fact that the win-at-all-costs culture was supposedly dismissed after a thorough review into Sandpapergate.

Meanwhile the woman who was the subject of Paine’s sexting — the true victim — who complained in a letter to not only Cricket Tasmania, but Cricket Australia and also to the Human Rights Commission, has been smeared and shamed.

Since the original story was broken by the Herald Sun’s Stephen Drill, the theft charges lodged against her have been pushed aggressively into the light. She allegedly fraudulently obtained a $705 Cricket Tasmania junior and platinum membership, a $339 Hobart Hurricanes family membership, and stole $1942 in cash — and what does that have to do with it all? How does that absolve someone for sending an unsolicited picture of their genitalia?

What this narrative is really doing is deflecting from true issues in the Paine scandal, like the fact CA and Cricket Tasmania are yet to explain how their investigation started with a written complaint from a woman about receiving “unsolicited” images and ended with them being able to declare with absolute certainty that this was an exchange between two consenting adults.

Sure, the woman was not interviewed and didn’t co-operate with the investigation at the time, but really who would want to take on the Test captain?

Certainly not a receptionist in this case.

And while CA sent Paine’s mobile away for forensic testing, which returned no trace of the images or messages, how did they all come to the conclusion — which they now state as hard fact — this was between two consenting adults?

Have they just taken Paine’s word for it? Have they assumed her flirtations were an open invitation for nudity? And if the Test captain can just resign his job for private messages being made public, but can still play Test cricket, does this mean they‘re OK with 10 members of the Test team all sending lewd images to women privately, so long as they’re not the captain?

For all the noise made by Cricket Australia and their state bodies around gender equality, their handling of a genuinely concerning allegation of sexual harassment has been nothing but troubling.

This incident was covered up for three years. And now Paine could still be named in the Ashes team.

It feels like CA are asking Australia to turn a blind eye to the sordid past, and you really shouldn’t expect anything less, because that win-at-all-costs culture still seems to be alive and well."

Like I said, a grub.

[saynta]

My previous comments could be taken to suggest that I'm some sort of puritan - far from it because I'm as broadminded as anybody. Rather it's from the experience of being the father of 3 loving daughters, one of whom was the victim of abusive behaviour from a male friend that caused her considerable distress at the time.

In essence, disrespect and abuse of women should be treated with the same opprobrium and disgust as racism.

For another perspective on this matter, the following article by Jessica O'Halloran in today's Australian answers the critics who consider this incident trivial and frivolous and believe that Paine deserves to stay in the Australian 1st Eleven:

"HOW HAS PAINE SUDDENLY BECOME VICTIM ?"

by Jessica O'Halloran

"Just like that, Tim Paine has somehow become the victim.

Paine, the guy that sent an unsolicited picture of his penis to a woman and she in turn complained, is the one Cricket Tasmania is saying we should be feeling sorry for.

Cricket Tasmania made it official with a press statement on Tuesday claiming Paine’s treatment by Cricket Australia had been appalling. But what is most “appalling” is both Cricket Tasmania and Cricket Australia’s handling of this complaint by a woman.

Elite honesty”? Try elite cover-up.

These cricket authorities have tried to convince us they are truly keen on fighting for the fairer sex, when in fact if an incident can destroy their Australian men’s team, they will absolutely protect him at all costs.

This despite the fact that the win-at-all-costs culture was supposedly dismissed after a thorough review into Sandpapergate.

Meanwhile the woman who was the subject of Paine’s sexting — the true victim — who complained in a letter to not only Cricket Tasmania, but Cricket Australia and also to the Human Rights Commission, has been smeared and shamed.

Since the original story was broken by the Herald Sun’s Stephen Drill, the theft charges lodged against her have been pushed aggressively into the light. She allegedly fraudulently obtained a $705 Cricket Tasmania junior and platinum membership, a $339 Hobart Hurricanes family membership, and stole $1942 in cash — and what does that have to do with it all? How does that absolve someone for sending an unsolicited picture of their genitalia?

What this narrative is really doing is deflecting from true issues in the Paine scandal, like the fact CA and Cricket Tasmania are yet to explain how their investigation started with a written complaint from a woman about receiving “unsolicited” images and ended with them being able to declare with absolute certainty that this was an exchange between two consenting adults.

Sure, the woman was not interviewed and didn’t co-operate with the investigation at the time, but really who would want to take on the Test captain?

Certainly not a receptionist in this case.

And while CA sent Paine’s mobile away for forensic testing, which returned no trace of the images or messages, how did they all come to the conclusion — which they now state as hard fact — this was between two consenting adults?

Have they just taken Paine’s word for it? Have they assumed her flirtations were an open invitation for nudity? And if the Test captain can just resign his job for private messages being made public, but can still play Test cricket, does this mean they‘re OK with 10 members of the Test team all sending lewd images to women privately, so long as they’re not the captain?

For all the noise made by Cricket Australia and their state bodies around gender equality, their handling of a genuinely concerning allegation of sexual harassment has been nothing but troubling.

This incident was covered up for three years. And now Paine could still be named in the Ashes team.

It feels like CA are asking Australia to turn a blind eye to the sordid past, and you really shouldn’t expect anything less, because that win-at-all-costs culture still seems to be alive and well."

Thanks Sanctorum. My bet is that he'll stay in the team. CA are bottom feeders.

I have a friend who told me that he is no longer interested in cricket as the whole team is comprised pf grubs and this was before the latest unsavory incident.

[Ghost Like]

I suspect his captaincy was what kept him in the XI, his batting is poorer than other keepers & his keeping is not that much better than theirs.

He's paid a high price for a "crime" without the safety net of double jeopardy. Beware the consenting adult once they hold an axe in need of grinding.