Cordy is important to us structurally....

[takeaway]

If Cordy’s role is so important- and he’s been so effective at it

Why would he be replaced by King and/or Caminiti???

Sounds contradictory!

Are they going to be playing his role of not getting a kick??

Or are they going to replace him because they might actually contribute???

Come on BM, you know the answer. You need a 195+ tall around FF to at least give the smaller players a chance at ground ball or mark, attract the attention of a tall defender, and maybe take a mark or two. The "bomb" kick to the ff line is part of the game, and cannot be avoided when no other options are available.
Cordy got that task from R1, with Caminiti just starting out, and not available last couple of weeks. No-one has said Cordy has starred, the only other option would have been Sharman, bit shorter, maybe he might have done better. So Cordy is a stop gap due to injuries, and has done a reasonable job imo.
He will be replaced by King/Caminiti because they will be better at it, King definitely, and Caminiti has done very well in his few games. Obvious I would have thought.

[B.M]

What do you consider a reasonable job?

If he’s done a reasonable job - why does he lose it?

To a 5 gamer??

[takeaway]

What do you consider a reasonable job?

If he’s done a reasonable job - why does he lose it?

To a 5 gamer??

Again, because Caminiti has been very good and is imo a better option than Cordy. Only 5 games, but is better than a stop gap, and may even hold his place when King comes back.

[B.M]

Caminiti - Very good?

He’s been OK - as Lyon said when he correct a journo

He’s done remarkably well from where he’s come from - but hasn’t set the word on fire - I think he has got a goal per game and about 4 marks per game. Which is ok for a 19yo

[B.M]

But agreed - that’s better than Cordy doing FA

[happy feet]

Does anyone know when Jack Hayes is expected to return?

[Teflon]

Once again
Allir had 3 marks 2 with Cordy off the ground
Not sure how you know opponents have now suddenly “worked out how we use him” but Lyon was glowing of his output in his presser

Yes Lyon's high praise is a puzzle. I am a actually a huge Lyon fan and believer. I think that in part it is that Lyon sticks up for his players.
And Cordy will have been doing what the coaches instructed him to do. So he gets the coaches TICK for that.


CORDY'S MAIN ROLE- DECOY DEFENSIVE FORWARD

Problem is that the opposition now know his role and in the main just ignored Cordy. An ignored DECOY is not a SUCCESSGUL DECOY.

So lets be a clear, a large part of Cordy's role is to be a decoy and drag defenders away to free up our small forwards. The opposition and are a wake up to this and so our small forwards did not get as free as they have in other games.

His role is also to spoil the ball to crumbers. Virtually none of this.

I’m sure he’ll go out when options return but I think the coach might know a little more and unlike others (who suggest Ross is lying) I don’t think that’s right

Allir was part of the PA defense and they, and he, all did well. Allir had a lot of physical impact on our small forwards = you know the exact players that Cordy is meant to have dragged Allir away from, but did not.

Overall Allir was a positive for his team.

Cordy had virtually no positive impact at all for St Kilda.



CORDY'S SECOND ROLE- SECOND RUCK.

It was Cordy in the ruck when PA run riot in the second quarter. This segment of play is the main reason why we lost the game. Cordy's lack of any impact was a key contributor to the easy passage of ball out of the middle


Owen is vastly better option that Cordy in the ruck.


So Cordy is not effective as a defensive forward, and is not effective as a "chop-out" ruck.

I don’t accept Allir hurt us like he’s been running off creating great rebound for Port
Sorry you can dress it up as “but he was part of overall defence” but his game was not as effective as he had been and Cordy has to have some part in that
I also don’t think Lyon praises players cause he wants everyone feeling “valued”
He ain’t that cuddly…
Cordy did a job ….coach liked it ….but he’ll go out when we have better forward options who can ALSO put on defer pressure (Caminiti does it well)
Membrey does not. Maybe Lyon knew that.

[Teflon]

Yes

Please explain to me

If your men always follow orders, and you ordered them to not give a code red - why would he need to be transferred?

You want the truth??????

You can’t handle the truth …..

Ok Ross ordered the code red
Cordy delivered
Ross liked it
Code red over.

Our defence has walls….to guard against…you get the drill I suspect you live in the 80’s

[King Max]

Allir had 3 marks and 2 were when Cordy was off
I just don’t make stuff up is all to suit my agenda

If Cordy was doing a defensive role on Allir, it was extremely subtle. I didn’t see them together until about 7 minutes to go in the third. And for a few minutes Allir seemed to be genuinely playing on Cordy until Cordy was subbed.

Before that I saw Allir one on one against Membrey, Owens, Phillipou and even Higgins, but never Cordy.

[Otiman]

I'd argue Caminiti is more important to our structure than Cordy.

5 wins with him, 2 losses without.

[takeaway]

I'd argue Caminiti is more important to our structure than Cordy.

5 wins with him, 2 losses without.

Probably a sound argument.

4 wins with him, 1 loss - vs Collingwood.

[Teflon]

I'd argue Caminiti is more important to our structure than Cordy.

5 wins with him, 2 losses without.

Probably a sound argument.

4 wins with him, 1 loss - vs Collingwood.

Right now off this season he’s more important than Cordy or Membrey
There’s a thought…

[skeptic]

Caminati has the drawback of actually hitting the contests, bringing the ball to ground, kicking goals, taking marks etc

I prefer the Cordy style of not being near the contest or getting to many of them, not getting the ball, definitely not tackling but “doing his role”, blocking space, making us walk taller, having size, having toughness, giving us structure in the contests that he doesn’t get too. We really need that for 2.5-3 quarters every week.

RTB says it’s so so that’s all I need

[Vortex]

Caminati has the drawback of actually hitting the contests, bringing the ball to ground, kicking goals, taking marks etc

I prefer the Cordy style of not being near the contest or getting to many of them, not getting the ball, definitely not tackling but “doing his role”, blocking space, making us walk taller, having size, having toughness, giving us structure in the contests that he doesn’t get too. We really need that for 2.5-3 quarters every week.

RTB says it’s so so that’s all I need

This debate is is sooooo tedious.

It would make sense if the list gave the coach alternatives.

Coach + quality list = premiership

Beggers can't be choosers.

A deaf dumb and blind 7 year old would get that you need depth of talent to upgrade on players like Cordy on a list.

Maybe its time I moved on from SS and these mind numbing conversations.

The only other conversations that make me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye is a good ole GT versus Lyon debate.

[shanegrambeau]

..

...

The only other conversations that make me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye is a good ole GT versus Lyon debate.

So what do you think GT would do with Cordy?

Head of 'Forward (Wax museum) Services'?

[Vortex]

..

...

The only other conversations that make me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye is a good ole GT versus Lyon debate.

So what do you think GT would do with Cordy?

Head of 'Forward (Wax museum) Services'?

Are you and Yorkeys the same person?

[Yorkeys]

The Several stages of saintsational expectations- 2023:

Skeptisim;
Hope;
Disbelieving joy;
Acceptance of improvements, salivating;
Impatience with some players, often accompanied by grief due to loss;
Bargaining, "if only Cordy was dropped things would be ok";
Guilt when Cordy is dropped and Campbell's lack of speed is exposed;
Acceptance that top 4 is not on. But it's a winning season;
Patience as its realised the list is evolving to be a real contender soon;
Mourning when the semi final is lost by1/2 a point to Collingwood in the 36th minute of last quarter.
Retribution, burn down Marvel.

[Teflon]

Caminati has the drawback of actually hitting the contests, bringing the ball to ground, kicking goals, taking marks etc

I prefer the Cordy style of not being near the contest or getting to many of them, not getting the ball, definitely not tackling but “doing his role”, blocking space, making us walk taller, having size, having toughness, giving us structure in the contests that he doesn’t get too. We really need that for 2.5-3 quarters every week.

RTB says it’s so so that’s all I need

This debate is is sooooo tedious.

It would make sense if the list gave the coach alternatives.

Coach + quality list = premiership

Beggers can't be choosers.

A deaf dumb and blind 7 year old would get that you need depth of talent to upgrade on players like Cordy on a list.

Maybe its time I moved on from SS and these mind numbing conversations.

The only other conversations that make me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye is a good ole GT versus Lyon debate.

You promise ?
I can think of 20 of your posts that have made me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye

[Teflon]

The Several stages of saintsational expectations- 2023:

Skeptisim;
Hope;
Disbelieving joy;
Acceptance of improvements, salivating;
Impatience with some players, often accompanied by grief due to loss;
Bargaining, "if only Cordy was dropped things would be ok";
Guilt when Cordy is dropped and Campbell's lack of speed is exposed;
Acceptance that top 4 is not on. But it's a winning season;
Patience as its realised the list is evolving to be a real contender soon;
Mourning when the semi final is lost by1/2 a point to Collingwood in the 36th minute of last quarter.
Retribution, burn down Marvel.

Rebirth - when Ross comes home

[66Iwasthere]

We might get an answer to all this next week when the team to play the Crows is announced.

[Vortex]

Caminati has the drawback of actually hitting the contests, bringing the ball to ground, kicking goals, taking marks etc

I prefer the Cordy style of not being near the contest or getting to many of them, not getting the ball, definitely not tackling but “doing his role”, blocking space, making us walk taller, having size, having toughness, giving us structure in the contests that he doesn’t get too. We really need that for 2.5-3 quarters every week.

RTB says it’s so so that’s all I need

This debate is is sooooo tedious.

It would make sense if the list gave the coach alternatives.

Coach + quality list = premiership

Beggers can't be choosers.

A deaf dumb and blind 7 year old would get that you need depth of talent to upgrade on players like Cordy on a list.

Maybe its time I moved on from SS and these mind numbing conversations.

The only other conversations that make me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye is a good ole GT versus Lyon debate.

You promise ?
I can think of 20 of your posts that have made me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye

Understandably too as they are incredibly accurate and insightful whereas I can guess exactly what your next 20 posts will be about...and speaking of your cult idol, has that life size photo of Ross arrived yet that I posted to you?

[asiu]

the One stick is innocent

sharper on one end than the other end , arguably

though , innocent ... none the less

getting both ends in your one eye concurrently
would be a fab party trick

it'll amuse the already well bored

[asiu]

[skeptic]

Caminati has the drawback of actually hitting the contests, bringing the ball to ground, kicking goals, taking marks etc

I prefer the Cordy style of not being near the contest or getting to many of them, not getting the ball, definitely not tackling but “doing his role”, blocking space, making us walk taller, having size, having toughness, giving us structure in the contests that he doesn’t get too. We really need that for 2.5-3 quarters every week.

RTB says it’s so so that’s all I need

This debate is is sooooo tedious.

It would make sense if the list gave the coach alternatives.

Coach + quality list = premiership

Beggers can't be choosers.

A deaf dumb and blind 7 year old would get that you need depth of talent to upgrade on players like Cordy on a list.

Maybe its time I moved on from SS and these mind numbing conversations.

The only other conversations that make me want to stick a sharp stick in my eye is a good ole GT versus Lyon debate.

I don’t subscribe to the theory that there are no other options. That’s just silly. You’d have said the same thing before Caminati got suspended yet we came up with something.
Perhaps not being so close minded in your perspective and opening yourself to different ideas… your mind would feel less numb.

[Otiman]

With King in the side, arguably you don't need either Cordy or Caminiti.

I'd still play Caminiti and King as either of them have the ability to move up and down the wing to contest the long ball out of D50 which we seem to love.

I reckon we could snag at least 2 goals a game with clunk mark on the wing followed by a quick I50 entry to a 1 on 1.

The other argument is do you use Cordy to play a negative role on the tall intercept defender. King is wasted doing this.