Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?

[B.M]

He loves a laugh before the game with the MMMs

He seems more interested in his own profile atm

[Teflon]

He loves a laugh before the game with the MMMs

He seems more interested in his own profile atm

Is that a bad thing?
He’s criticised previously for being too closed “Ross bubble” not engaging enough
He’s come back a little more relaxed let’s his assistant coaches have more control
Now he laughs too much before games?
Tough crowd …
Why don’t you just admit you’d prefer we stuck with Ratten?
Did the club make the wrong choice in your eyes ??

[B.M]

Right choice

But not above criticism as you believe

He is not the messiah - and I don’t put blind faith into anybody

He’s not even a successful AFL coach - if you measure success in premierships

He’s a good coach imo - but has mad made some well documented f*** ups

[Teflon]

Right choice

But not above criticism as you believe

He is not the messiah - and I don’t put blind faith into anybody

He’s not even a successful AFL coach - if you measure success in premierships

He’s a good coach imo - but has mad made some well documented f*** ups

Show me a coach who hasn’t **** up?
Of course he’s not beyond criticism- heres one for ya he holds players in side too long that aren’t performing eg Seb Ross when Windhager should be in
I’m happy to criticise if it’s warranted
Oh and that means all AFL coaches - including Pies coach hasn’t been successful??
I think premierships are a tad binary to really measure..
Black n white tho and I know that’s how you think

[B.M]

AFL success is measured by winning premierships

That’s the business they’re in

How else would you measure success - by losing??

[Teflon]

AFL success is measured by winning premierships

That’s the business they’re in

How else would you measure success - by losing??

So developing a young side to bring them into contention isn’t success ??
Every club has just 1 measure no matter what stage they’re at: win flag
Even if they have no hope at that point in time?
I think your idea of success is like your footy views….bit outdated

[B.M]

No - it’s not success

Success is ultimately winning a

Your describing progress

[Teflon]

No - it’s not success

Success is ultimately winning a

Your describing progress

Winning premierships are an outcome
It’s the successes along the way that get you there grasshopper and there will be lots of these if you achieve a premiership

[B.M]

So GT was a successful coach?

[meher baba]

Gee I really hope we don’t crash and burn in the second half of the season.

Not just because I’m a Saints supporter, but because I don’t think I’ll be able to stand the 50,000 posts from Teflon explaining why none of it is his hero’s fault.

Sigh

[bobmurray]

The whole idea behind getting Ross to the club was for someone who set ruthless standards and held people to it.

I've no idea if that's the case inside the walls of Moorabbin, but if cuddly Ross exists inside those walls then we didn't get what we paid for.

I wonder if Ross has asked Bassat if it's possible to change our name to the St Kilda Mulligans, then he'll have a ready made excuse every week for poor performance.

[saynta]

The whole idea behind getting Ross to the club was for someone who set ruthless standards and held people to it.

I've no idea if that's the case inside the walls of Moorabbin, but if cuddly Ross exists inside those walls then we didn't get what we paid for.

I wonder if Ross has asked Bassat if it's possible to change our name to the St Kilda Mulligans, then he'll have a ready made excuse every week for poor performance.

[Teflon]

So GT was a successful coach?

Of course he was
Stabilised a side after Blight fiasco
Took us up the ladder
Definitely had success
Just stayed too long
Didn’t recognise he didn’t have the coaching ability to get us further and actually into a GF and became a dictator
But

[Teflon]

Gee I really hope we don’t crash and burn in the second half of the season.

Not just because I’m a Saints supporter, but because I don’t think I’ll be able to stand the 50,000 posts from Teflon explaining why none of it is his hero’s fault.

Sigh

I know if we don’t crash n burn you’ll disappear or jump on the bandwagon like the fair weather squib supporter you are
You’ve come out all guns blazing soon as you see the team falter ..good guy to have in the trenches….
Actually…I’d have you in the trenches…just send you out first is all …

[samuraisaint]

So GT was a successful coach?

2004-2006 was one of only two eras where we were an efficient team in terms of competitiveness. Along with 1965-73, 2004-2006 was a period where we won more matches than any of our competitors. We didn't win a premiership or play in a GF as we all know and this ultimately cost him his job, but I would say he was definitely a successful coach, yeah.

[Teflon]

So GT was a successful coach?

2004-2006 was one of only two eras where we were an efficient team in terms of competitiveness. Along with 1965-73, 2004-2006 was a period where we won more matches than any of our competitors. We didn't win a premiership or play in a GF as we all know and this ultimately cost him his job, but I would say he was definitely a successful coach, yeah.

I agree
So stupidly simple to look at premiership in isolation

[samuraisaint]

Under RL we have won 64% of our games this season. That is a reasonable outcome for anybody, and for us it is definitely a pass.
I have been as guilty of this as anyone, but I think a lot on here, and probably with good reason, think we will play to the script and not turn up against the Swans in Sydney and start a season death spiral. lon
The team this year is very different to last year, and the Sydney team is not a settled outfit this season either.
They, by their own admission, only beat North by a technical free kick, and were less than impressive against a struggling Carlton.
The coaching team is very different to last year as well. It is a very different combination. Also remember, the Swans were absolutely humiliated in the GF last year and lost to Geelong by 93 points this season.
It is all about mindset - if ours is right, we can win next week, and then we are 8/4 like we were last year. And our run home is a lot easier than last season.

[B.M]

Success ultimately means achieve what everyone’s trying to achieve

From a team point of view
If we look at a season - success might be making the 8
For a certain club

But we are talking a coaching career here
What is a successful coach - one who has achieved the ultimate

Coaches are judged on silverware

Ross has none
And that’s with two teams stacked with AAs who were very much in the premiership window

Is Ross a good coach - yes
Is he a successful coach - No

If he coaches out his contract without a premiership - he’ll be the longest serving coach in history with no flag

[CQ SAINT]

Success ultimately means achieve what everyone’s trying to achieve

From a team point of view
If we look at a season - success might be making the 8
For a certain club

But we are talking a coaching career here
What is a successful coach - one who has achieved the ultimate

Coaches are judged on silverware

Ross has none
And that’s with two teams stacked with AAs who were very much in the premiership window

Is Ross a good coach - yes
Is he a successful coach - No

If he coaches out his contract without a premiership - he’ll be the longest serving coach in history with no flag

Funny that. No silverware, no rating.
But, you make a 40 player squad with 28 midfielders in it, playing in positions all over the ground and you are a club legend. At least you are consistently aware of your own bias.

[B.M]

Correction

He’s won two club champions

Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise

How do you rate Sebs career?

How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games

200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book

[Teflon]

Correction

He’s won two club champions

Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise

How do you rate Sebs career?

How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games

200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book

Good honest player on his day
Those days are over
Good depth I’m hoping second half year
Good to see you acknowledge success is multi faceted
A good first step to an open mind
Now repeat after me “Ross Lyon is our only saviour and responsible for all wins but not losses”
And you and I gonna get along fine.

[CQ SAINT]

Correction

He’s won two club champions

Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise

How do you rate Sebs career?

How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games

200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book

Ah yes. The prestigious St.Kilda B&F.
Now I realise why we couldn't land a big fish, they had no hope of winning the TBA with Seb and Jack cleaning them up, Geary in the top 5, Newnes playing 100 consecutive games. We were almost competitive.

[B.M]

In 2016-2017 we were more than competitive winning 23 out of 44

We weren’t a bottom 6 team as you are trying to allude to

Get a clue

[Teflon]

In 2016-2017 we were more than competitive winning 23 out of 44

We weren’t a bottom 6 team as you are trying to allude to

Get a clue

We were mediocre
Mid table team never really bothering anyone
You told me the only success was a Premiership
We were nowhere near in that period
Are you saying we were good?
Delusional

[Teflon]

Correction

He’s won two club champions

Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise

How do you rate Sebs career?

How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games

200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book

Ah yes. The prestigious St.Kilda B&F.
Now I realise why we couldn't land a big fish, they had no hope of winning the TBA with Seb and Jack cleaning them up, Geary in the top 5, Newnes playing 100 consecutive games. We were almost competitive.

Lol
Wallowing in mediocrity
It’s what this club does best
Idolises individuals …puts them on ridiculous pedestals cause the team success has been lacking