Rod Butterss & his vision for the future

[evertonfc]

There's been a few calls from some posters such as Teflon, joffaboy and Mr Magic for the St Kilda Footy First syndicate to make their position clear on a vision for the future.

Fair enough.

I'm just wondering, should we, as members also have the right to ask about a vision for the future from Rod Butterss and his group, given their recent history?

It just seems SFF has been attacked for not yet presenting a tangible vision of nuts and bolts (even though they officially only arrived on the scene yesterday).

To play devils advocate for a moment, what has Butterss put forward recently that we can describe as a vision for the future? All I can recall is a great deal of hyperbole and corporate spin, but nothing concrete about how the club would be developing in the next 20 years.

Do correct if I'm wrong, but I don't seem to recall RB putting together a strategic long-term plan that was open to the members at any point during his reign over the club.

Is there one which we can access somewhere? I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on this matter.

[plugger66]

There's been a few calls from some posters such as Teflon, joffaboy and Mr Magic for the St Kilda Footy First syndicate to make their position clear on a vision for the future.

Fair enough.

I'm just wondering, should we, as members also have the right to ask about a vision for the future from Rod Butterss and his group, given their recent history?

It just seems SFF has been attacked for not yet presenting a tangible vision of nuts and bolts (even though they officially only arrived on the scene yesterday).

To play devils advocate for a moment, what has Butterss put forward recently that we can describe as a vision for the future? All I can recall is a great deal of hyperbole and corporate spin, but nothing concrete about how the club would be developing in the next 20 years.

Do correct if I'm wrong, but I don't seem to recall RB putting together a strategic long-term plan that was open to the members at any point during his reign over the club.

Is there one which we can access somewhere? I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on this matter.

I think he might tell us a bit more tomorrow. They have also increased spending on recruitmement next year as well as injury prevention.

[Oh When the Saints]

We seemed to have a plan until the end of 2004, and then lost some direction.

Archie was interviewed on 3AW about four months ago, and was asked about the club's plans for the future.

He outlined 6 key areas ... the problem was, all of them had been achieved except winning a premiership and building a training facility.

Progress on those has stalled somewhat ... and there are no other ideas.


Good question evertonfc ... if Butterss is going to fight the election, he needs to outline exactly what his vision is. He can't run on incumbency - he needs a plan for the future.

If he presents something about the future, then I would consider voting for him.


At the moment, St Kilda FF are playing it exactly like Kevin Rudd ... big on the ideas and rhetoric, small on the detail.

It puts pressure on the incumbent to act with a forward vision.

[Oh When the Saints]

I think he might tell us a bit more tomorrow. They have also increased spending on recruitmement next year as well as injury prevention.

The very fact that I have no idea that the club has spent more on recruiting and injury management says something in itself.

Why aren't the members aware of what the club has done in these areas?


Great to hear they plan on spending more next year ... why didn't they spend more this year? Last year?

[satchmo]

I agree, both sides need to make it very clear what their strategies are going forward.

But disliking Rod is not reason enough to sack the board.

[plugger66]

I think he might tell us a bit more tomorrow. They have also increased spending on recruitmement next year as well as injury prevention.

The very fact that I have no idea that the club has spent more on recruiting and injury management says something in itself.

Why aren't the members aware of what the club has done in these areas?


Great to hear they plan on spending more next year ... why didn't they spend more this year? Last year?

They did tell us about both. Have got 2 recruiting people and have Ross Smith from the AIS looking into injuries. I am not sure boards tell their supportors all the things that are happening at the club.

[evertonfc]

I am not sure boards tell their supportors all the things that are happening at the club.

True - so why then, are people so desperate for more detail from SFF when RB has been so light on for detail for years now?

I think it's a fair and valid question.

Surely both groups should be held accountable, not just the new guys.

OWTS said it before - you can't just run on incumbancy. You need to stand for something, and you need to be accountable for it.

In the public eye, RB has had seven years to be accountable; SFF has had 36 hours.

[Baldock Rules]

I am not sure boards tell their supportors all the things that are happening at the club.

True - so why then, are people so desperate for more detail from SFF when RB has been so light on for detail for years now?

I think it's a fair and valid question.

Surely both groups should be held accountable, not just the new guys.

OWTS said it before - you can't just run on incumbancy. You need to stand for something, and you need to be accountable for it.

In the public eye, RB has had seven years to be accountable; SFF has had 36 hours.

As an incumbant you also need to accept responsibility for the mistakes as well as taking credit for the successes

[Beej]

I'm just wondering, should we, as members also have the right to ask about a vision for the future from Rod Butterss and his group, given their recent history?

I don't think I want to know about his vision for our club although, having said that, I would love to sit in on one of RB's famous boardroom meetings...

[chook23]

I think he might tell us a bit more tomorrow. They have also increased spending on recruitmement next year as well as injury prevention.

The very fact that I have no idea that the club has spent more on recruiting and injury management says something in itself.

Why aren't the members aware of what the club has done in these areas?


Great to hear they plan on spending more next year ... why didn't they spend more this year? Last year?

They did tell us about both. Have got 2 recruiting people and have Ross Smith from the AIS looking into injuries. I am not sure boards tell their supportors all the things that are happening at the club.

The membership was advised as plugger66 said

[saintsRrising]

OWTS...the members were informed of it....


i knew of it...and like Plugger66 have posted on it

[Oh When the Saints]

How though?

I actually did know about it ... through SS though.

Was there anything on the club website?

Any club email?

Any club press release?

Any postal notification?

[saintsRrising]

PS... The club also has employed a Development coach....and a Football Manager (even if some are not happy it was Ken).

[plugger66]

How though?

I actually did know about it ... through SS though.

Was there anything on the club website?

Any club email?

Any club press release?

Any postal notification?

Press release on both.

[saintsRrising]

There was also brief mention that the AIS committee had met and were hard at work AND had already indentified a number of areas that needed to be changed.


So the question still reamains...what will FF do that has not already been started???

[Oh When the Saints]

Fair enough.

I was well aware of the AIS committee and the appointment of John Peake with Bevo as his assistant.

But I had found out through saintsational ...

I have spoken to other members who had no idea about either, as they only read the traditional media and do not receive press releases (obviously).

[saintsRrising]

Another FACT was that was reported on was that LAST draft period that the saints dida lot more work IN Wa including from memory testing some players we were interested in.

[aussierules0k]

[saint patrick]

There was also brief mention that the AIS committee had met and were hard at work AND had already indentified a number of areas that needed to be changed.


So the question still reamains...what will FF do that has not already been started???

They'll not have the destabilising,distracting GT spat saga to contend with for a start...and think a lot of this socalled change is a little too little too late and playing asround the edges..as Burkey has said feedback from employess at the club expressed significant disatisfaction in many areas.

Just can't believe that anyone would believe Burke and Thompson would get involved in the first place unless they have seen the discontent first hand and see a need for change

[evertonfc]

Another FACT was that was reported on was that LAST draft period that the saints dida lot more work IN Wa including from memory testing some players we were interested in.

So we memory tested Clinton Jones...?

I would have thought heavy testing of all skills - mental and physical - would be a given, in all states.

Just can't believe that anyone would believe Burke and Thompson would get involved in the first place unless they have seen the discontent first hand and see a need for change:roll:

Like or despise RB, this is a point nobody should ignore.

There's no way known these two blokes would be getting involved if they didn't see a problem.

[The Peanut]

We live in an age of instant information worldwide, and we sit here sweating about what is happening down the road at Moorabbin.

I guess the club needs to be made aware that many of the supporters are hungry for more information - when GT was around we got a lot of info from him through the press and through Cassius etc - we all loved them and felt informed and appreciated as supporters. The members emails are a good innovation - but the club is just at first base in my view. Most other clubs have the same problem, but we don't have to shut our mouths just because of that. We need to lead - not follow.

The new ticket seems to understand the importance of members being informed through the various mediums available and members wanting to be informed and are sometimes capable of contributing ideas. It might be a good idea for someone to save these posts as they will probably become relevant again in a few years when they have forgotten what its like to left in the dark (if they get in).

Many things must be undertaken without the world knowing about them but transparency within reason shouldn't be too much to ask.

The situation regarding Moorabbin is a great example of blunders, hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted, lack of proper planning, no close monitoring by a sub-committee and wool permanently pulled over the supporters eyes except when they needed our letters of support

. . . and here we are sitting around computers waiting for nothing to happen.

[saintsRrising]

Might have to start addressing you as The Peanut Phd


Good & wise points there.

[saintbrat]

- when GT was around we got a lot of info from him through the press and through Cassius etc - we all loved them and felt informed and appreciated as supporters.



. . . and here we are sitting around computers waiting for nothing to happen.

on the first point- as the full affect of being an AFL coach hit and the pressures increased the info coming out from GT and RB diminished, I remember those midnight new year eve chats on saints chat in what seems like decades ago- but in reality only 2002. but the media and others killed of the spontaneity

on the second
life is now full of people - expecting the answer NOW!!! we want more instantly. never time to check- re-check - debate(yuck) find info- you have to have it ready BEFORE someone asks.


and on that I'd really really like to hear that no. 3 and No. 10 and No. 31 have re-signed

[stinger]

There's been a few calls from some posters such as Teflon, joffaboy and Mr Magic for the St Kilda Footy First syndicate to make their position clear on a vision for the future.

Fair enough.

I'm just wondering, should we, as members also have the right to ask about a vision for the future from Rod Butterss and his group, given their recent history?

It just seems SFF has been attacked for not yet presenting a tangible vision of nuts and bolts (even though they officially only arrived on the scene yesterday).

To play devils advocate for a moment, what has Butterss put forward recently that we can describe as a vision for the future? All I can recall is a great deal of hyperbole and corporate spin, but nothing concrete about how the club would be developing in the next 20 years.

Do correct if I'm wrong, but I don't seem to recall RB putting together a strategic long-term plan that was open to the members at any point during his reign over the club.

Is there one which we can access somewhere? I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on this matter.

yep...good idea...once again i am of a mind to support your suggestion.....

[spert]

I would have thought any President's vision was to win a premiership and that's what they are all passionate about including Butters I expect.