Who are our competive beasts???

saintsRrising · Mon 26 May 2008 11:50am

Ok...lets put aside skill and football talent for a moment...

Which are the players on our list that that give their all whatever their level of talent ?

((Note this is just based on this year and players only that have played at least a senior game. They may get beaten on an given day or be restricted by injury, but you at least know they have had a fair dinkum crack...))

Exceptional
Banger
Max

Good

Sam Fisher
Lenny Hayes
Roo
Ball

Fair
CJ
Birrs
BJ
King
Blake
MGardiner

Ok....but need to give more, more often
Milne
Dal
Joey

Not giving anywhere near enough

The rest...

It is not a very long list is it??

Behind Play · Mon 26 May 2008 12:04pm

Lenny should be in the exceptional bracket and Ball too

Sainter_Boy · Mon 26 May 2008 12:08pm

No - I agree with the OP - good is good - exceptional is exceptional - you need to not only give all you have (that is good) you need to go beyond to be exceptional.

We should be expecting exceptional - and at the worst settle for good - the kind of good we get from Lenny and Ball!

No more mediocrity!! No more half measures

saintsRrising · Mon 26 May 2008 10:05pm

We need more players in the 22 who want to win...and to work hard for it...

Mon 26 May 2008 10:06pm

you forgot Baker

Mooksy · Post: # 575239Post **Mooksy** » Mon 26 May 2008 10:12pm

You have to have Jones in there. He competes very very well. He hustles. He bustles. He isn't soft. What sort of message did it send dropping him the week after that magnificent match winning mark in round 1?

Mooksy · Post: # 575240Post **Mooksy** » Mon 26 May 2008 10:13pm

You have to have Jones in there. He competes very very well. He hustles. He bustles. He isn't soft. What sort of message did it send dropping him the week after that magnificent match winning mark in round 1?

Mooksy · Post: # 575242Post **Mooksy** » Mon 26 May 2008 10:16pm

He competes very very well. He hustles. He bustles. He isn't soft. What sort of message did it send dropping him the week after that magnificent match winning mark in round 1?

BringBackMadDog · Mon 26 May 2008 10:19pm

No - I agree with the OP - good is good - exceptional is exceptional - you need to not only give all you have (that is good) you need to go beyond to be exceptional.

We should be expecting exceptional - and at the worst settle for good - the kind of good we get from Lenny and Ball!

So Ball and Lenny are in the top 10 in the comp for tackles and contested ball, they kill themselves week in and week out but thats not exceptional.
Fair dinkum I must be on the Richmond forum!!! We are now turning on the few blokes who actually bleed for this club

Saintschampions08 · Mon 26 May 2008 10:23pm

BringBackMadDog wrote:
No - I agree with the OP - good is good - exceptional is exceptional - you need to not only give all you have (that is good) you need to go beyond to be exceptional.

We should be expecting exceptional - and at the worst settle for good - the kind of good we get from Lenny and Ball!
So Ball and Lenny are in the top 10 in the comp for tackles and contested ball, they kill themselves week in and week out but thats not exceptional.
Fair dinkum I must be on the Richmond forum!!! We are now turning on the few blokes who actually bleed for this club

I agree to a degree.

I don't think Ball's actual play and form supports him being in exceptional, however, not having Hayes in the 'exceptional' category is just a farce.

villasaint · Mon 26 May 2008 10:23pm

team as whole not playing as a team, not hunting in packs, tackling in packs, protecting the ball carrier, no love for the team, jumper and no love of a contest, no belief. its up to the coach to turn in around

villasaint · Mon 26 May 2008 11:32pm

max, lenny, ball, roo, m gardiner, armitage, gilbert, birss

Quixote · Post: # 575367Post **Quixote** » Tue 27 May 2008 12:50am

My team for the rest of the yaer would be this:

B: Baker Max Gwilt
HB: Gilbert (when ready) S Fisher Geary
C: Gram X Clarke (when ready) Montagna
HF: Goddard Kosi Jones
F: Milne Roo Allen
R: M Gardiner Hayes Harvey
Int: Ball Armitage McEvoy Dal

Emg: Birss, Ferg, Howard

saintsRrising · Tue 27 May 2008 12:56am

BackFromUSA wrote:you forgot Baker

No..I left him out as I could not rate him this year...he got injured in his second game back.

saintsRrising · Tue 27 May 2008 12:59am

Mooksy wrote:You have to have Jones in there. He competes very very well. He hustles. He bustles. He isn't soft. What sort of message did it send dropping him the week after that magnificent match winning mark in round 1?

I agree...I meant to put him but must have got distracted when I typed BJ.
I have put him as Fair...but arguably he is good.

I have edited the OP to include him.

saintsRrising · Tue 27 May 2008 1:01am

Saintschampions08 wrote:
BringBackMadDog wrote:
No - I agree with the OP - good is good - exceptional is exceptional - you need to not only give all you have (that is good) you need to go beyond to be exceptional.

We should be expecting exceptional - and at the worst settle for good - the kind of good we get from Lenny and Ball!
So Ball and Lenny are in the top 10 in the comp for tackles and contested ball, they kill themselves week in and week out but thats not exceptional.
Fair dinkum I must be on the Richmond forum!!! We are now turning on the few blokes who actually bleed for this club
I agree to a degree.

I don't think Ball's actual play and form supports him being in exceptional, however, not having Hayes in the 'exceptional' category is just a farce.

I would be happy to elavte Hayes.....

but Bally has been too up and down to gain an exceptional rating.