Is King the best recycled Ruckman we've had recently?

saint-stu · Post: # 629721Post **saint-stu** » Thu 28 Aug 2008 7:05pm

When King and Gardiner were playing together in the middle of this year, I thought Gardiner was the best of the two.

Hopefully we can see Gardi come back soon.

St Fidelius · Thu 28 Aug 2008 7:31pm

saint-stu wrote:When King and Gardiner were playing together in the middle of this year, I thought Gardiner was the best of the two.

Hopefully we can see Gardi come back soon.

Yes it would be good to see, but I somehow doubt it I'm afraid......

Yeah 30 next year, but has only played 27 matches in 4 years....

Doesn't seem his body can take it any more IMO

st.byron · Post: # 629735Post **st.byron** » Thu 28 Aug 2008 7:34pm

don't hold your breath re Gardiner. A close member of Gardi's family is my physio. Reckon's his feet are stuffed. We'll be lucky to get more than a few games in a row out of him if any at all.

bethb7 · Post: # 629737Post **bethb7** » Thu 28 Aug 2008 7:40pm

Yeah i'v had my doubts about King through the season, but he really impressed me on the weekend when Birss got a big hit and he went over and defended him gave the crows player a good shove & a bit of a jumper punch I liked that. He's also a great tap ruckmen to Lenny they link up very well together, he has I think certainly made a great difference to our midfield as we all know a good ruckmen makes a good midfield. From the list of our recyclyed ruckmen King head and shoulders above the rest.

howlinwolf · Post: # 629741Post **howlinwolf** » Thu 28 Aug 2008 7:50pm

This is an interesting topic.
I agree with some thoughts here and disagree with others.
Kingy isn't the greatest around the ground. He isn't a great overhead mark or possession getter. He's a very good tap ruck and a link man with the quick handpass.
I have been thinking for many weeks now where would we be right now without him ?
Gardi is MIA, Kosi isn't he best option in the ruck atm and Blake, well he's my height, i.e not a ruck in today's game.

We would not be in the finals without Kingy.

Now he needs to play next year for sure. The experience and knowledge he can pass on to Ben McEvoy will be invaluable. Ben isn't quite ready yet and a year with Kingy as a mentor will see me very happy Kingy came to our Club.

mbogo · Post: # 629748Post **mbogo** » Thu 28 Aug 2008 8:06pm

Agree that King has been the best *ruckman* of the lot whilst Ackland got a few possessions around the ground.
Vidovic was awesome and intimidating in 97 when it mattered.
Would love to see King play against the Cats in the GF - if others back him up he could give them some grief IMO, he would be far from a pushover against the old teammates and has something to show. Go Kingy!

St Fidelius · Thu 28 Aug 2008 8:09pm

I have never been a big rap for Michael Gardiner when we signed him, and suggested that it will be another Matthew Allen fiasco, when Essendon picked him up after a few years with injuries and did little after being named All Australian ruckman...

But it was worth the punt, for minimal outlay....

Full credit to him for pulling his head in and not having any reported off field discretion's ....

Maybe we should recycle another ruck for next year... and drop Gardiner???

Jeff White or any ruck with a couple of years in them without giving up a draft pick

Just someone to fill the void until McEvoy is ready and until we can recruit another ruck...

I here there is about 10 ruck options in the next draft

WayneJudson42 · Thu 28 Aug 2008 9:28pm

St Fidelius wrote:I have never been a big rap for Michael Gardiner when we signed him, and suggested that it will be another Matthew Allen fiasco, when Essendon picked him up after a few years with injuries and did little after being named All Australian ruckman...

But it was worth the punt, for minimal outlay....

Full credit to him for pulling his head in and not having any reported off field discretion's ....

Maybe we should recycle another ruck for next year... and drop Gardiner???

Jeff White or any ruck with a couple of years in them without giving up a draft pick

Just someone to fill the void until McEvoy is ready and until we can recruit another ruck...

I here there is about 10 ruck options in the next draft

Interesting view... Iwould have thought that King would go through the motions after a long career with cats and a GF medal. But noow I can see his leadership qualities. He also appears to have embraced the club and I dare say he'll have a point to prove come finals time.

As for MG and Rix... I'd be looking to delist both if MG won't be fit anymore.

Maybe, just maybe, someone like White would also benefit from a change of scenery as did King?

I suspect he may have gone stale at Melbourne and could be worth a 1 tear deal as a back up. IMHO.

vacuous space · Thu 28 Aug 2008 9:41pm

Gardiner is done. The only thing he can do now is tap, and that's just not enough for a spot in the 22. He and Rix should both be delisted after the season to make way for some younger, more capable bodies. I doubt we'll go for Jeff White either as something tells me he's not a RL type of player.

King can handle top ruck duties. Kosi, McEvoy and Blake can do the backing up.

Teflon · Post: # 629886Post **Teflon** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 12:39am

Thanks Ross.

BigMart · Post: # 629994Post **BigMart** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 12:21pm

mbogo - how good is your memory????????

it annoys me when time changes facts...

In 1997

L.Vidovic played 7 out of 25 games in the seniors....

Averaged 5.8 possesions and 11 hit-outs a game and kicked 1 goal.....Just how awesome was he??????

They are worse numbers than Monkorst and Capuano produced.....

spert · Post: # 629995Post **spert** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 12:22pm

A proven finals performer in 2007

saintsRrising · Fri 29 Aug 2008 12:34pm

BigMart wrote:
Ackland was very good in 2005......

...he played 90 games from 1990 to 1998....

Which would put him above most ruckmen that we have secured from other clubs would it not???

Not saying he was a star. But he was a good No2 ruckman.

In terms of ruckmen that we have gained from other clubs he is one of the better ones that we have secured.

Vidovic however was the perfect foil to Everitt and supplied what Spider lacked...aggression and the ability to intimidate . There are no stats on that but it is worth a fair bit, and more so back then when the games was less "fair".

Even without Everitt, put Vidovic into that 97 GF team and we would have been a lot more likely to have had a positive result.

joffaboy · Post: # 630004Post **joffaboy** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 12:36pm

saintsRrising wrote: Even without Everitt, put Vidovic into that 97 GF tea and we would have beena lot more likely to have hada postive result.

And a concussed Jarman.........

BigMart · Post: # 630196Post **BigMart** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 6:22pm

He would have made some difference no doubt......but he was not the star he is portrayed on here.......he was a fringe player

it's funny how favourites on here have their output exaggerated.....

in 1997 he only played a handful of senior games......basically all he did was allow Everitt to go fwd......Loewe did more rucking in 1997......

and there was cameras in 97......it wasn't 1945......

knocking Jarman out was not the answer, a suitable opponent was....

yipper · Post: # 630202Post **yipper** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 6:26pm

BigMart wrote:He would have made some difference no doubt......but he was not the star he is portrayed on here.......he was a fringe player

it's funny how favourites on here have their output exaggerated.....

in 1997 he only played a handful of senior games......basically all he did was allow Everitt to go fwd......Loewe did more rucking in 1997......

and there was cameras in 97......it wasn't 1945......

knocking Jarman out was not the answer, a suitable opponent was....

Mart, big Laz has told me straight out that he would have knocked Jarman into the next suburb if he was out there. Says we would've then won - and he would've retired straight after the game. And I believe him!!

WayneJudson42 · Fri 29 Aug 2008 6:32pm

BigMart wrote:He would have made some difference no doubt......but he was not the star he is portrayed on here.......he was a fringe player

it's funny how favourites on here have their output exaggerated.....

in 1997 he only played a handful of senior games......basically all he did was allow Everitt to go fwd......Loewe did more rucking in 1997......

and there was cameras in 97......it wasn't 1945......

knocking Jarman out was not the answer, a suitable opponent was....

Would've done a better job than Cook.

Alves didn't let Stewie near the middle on GF day.

would've knocked out Jarman and that other 1 hit wonder who kicked 5... Ellen?

BigMart · Post: # 630260Post **BigMart** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 7:58pm

Jamie was having enough trouble keeping up with him.....not sure big Laze would have been able to catch him in play.......if it was a stone cold king hit.....the premiership would be tainted......

IMO if you have to resort to thuggery to win.......you do not deserve to...

Lazer would have had his career tarnished, and would be infamous....bit like the guy that took out Greening.......BTW did we not try that tactic in 1971 - with no effect

suss · Post: # 630263Post **suss** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 8:04pm

Wasn't it big Lazer and Burkie that gang tackled MacKernan in the prelim, dislocating his shoulder? Arguably it turned the game our way...

yipper · Post: # 630264Post **yipper** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 8:10pm

suss wrote:Wasn't it big Lazer and Burkie that gang tackled MacKernan in the prelim, dislocating his shoulder? Arguably it turned the game our way...

No. It was Cook and Burke

Saints Premiers 2008 · Fri 29 Aug 2008 8:38pm

i would have been happy with a king hit to win a gf...

bloody happy

WayneJudson42 · Fri 29 Aug 2008 10:35pm

BigMart wrote:Jamie was having enough trouble keeping up with him.....not sure big Laze would have been able to catch him in play.......if it was a stone cold king hit.....the premiership would be tainted......

IMO if you have to resort to thuggery to win.......you do not deserve to...

Lazer would have had his career tarnished, and would be infamous....bit like the guy that took out Greening.......BTW did we not try that tactic in 1971 - with no effect

Please.... look at what they did to Harves in the 1st few minutes.

Shall we give the 04 Wizard cup to Geelong coz of Guerra's hit on Ling?

Bono · Post: # 630387Post **Bono** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 11:10pm

I know the original post only went back 8 years but VIDOVIC was far more effective and valuable to the team in '97 than King is in '08.

BigMart · Post: # 630391Post **BigMart** » Fri 29 Aug 2008 11:17pm

Bono - You are Kidding????? surely......

I will say it again....Vidovic would not have finished in the top 25 in the 97 B&F........

WayneJudson42 · Fri 29 Aug 2008 11:50pm

BigMart wrote:Jamie was having enough trouble keeping up with him.....not sure big Laze would have been able to catch him in play.......if it was a stone cold king hit.....the premiership would be tainted......

IMO if you have to resort to thuggery to win.......you do not deserve to...

Lazer would have had his career tarnished, and would be infamous....bit like the guy that took out Greening.......BTW did we not try that tactic in 1971 - with no effect

I actually live across the raod from Jamie. I've often thought about putting on a Jarman mask and knocking on his door.