List Changes - Closest to the pin.

[Junior]

Retired:
F. Gehrig
R. Harvey

Delisted:
M. Ferguson
L. Fisher
M. Rix
C. Gardiner
A Fiora

Rookie Promoted:
J. Attard
On off R. Eddy or A. McQualter

Rookie Retained:
L. Miles
K. Haretuku

Rookie Delisted:
L. Van Rheenen
G. Chivers

Rookie Listed:
B. McGrath

Pre Season Draft:
B. Cousins if available

Trades,Draft:
Need a small backman with pace to mind the fast samll fowards that seem to chop us upp.

A couple of midfielders with leg speed

A marking option up forward would look at James Podsiadally

Mobile key defender

[rexy]

Out- Harvey Gherig C.Gardiner Fergusson

Trade NDS and either L Fisher or Fiora as a sweetener (or both?)

Rookies ??No idea would think that Eddy will be promoted and Mini must be a chance.

Like to see at the club, a key forward for NDS (possibles Hall, J.Reiwoldt, Boyle+?)

Cousins in the PSD and a quick player with our first pick.

[mad saint guy]

Coach mad saint guy's changes

Retire: Harvey, Gehrig
Delist: Rix, Fiora, Ferguson, C.Gardiner, Jones

Elevate: Miles
Delist: McQualter, Attard, Haretuku, Chivers, van Rheenen, Eddy (re-rookie)

Trade bait: Dal Santo, X.Clarke, Howard, L.Fisher, Pick 31, Pick 47
Trade targets: Kerr, O'Keefe, Draft Picks

PSD: Cousins




Ross Lyon's changes

Retire: Harvey, Gehrig, M. Gardiner
Delist: Ferguson, Birss, L.Fisher

Elevate: Attard, Eddy, McQualter
Delist: Chivers, van Rheenen

[Con Gorozidis]

id trade x clarke - useless.


i read somone say kosi for kerr. oh thats good! yes kosi for kerr.WCE will go for that! heck how about we trade l fisher for didak too. you think the pies might do that one?? incredible.

keep anyone under 25.

dal, kosi, x all trade bait.

trade roo to gold coast in 2 years for a 1st rounder.

[StPeter]

Agree that McQualter must go.
Has shown nothing and was huge liability during the finals...should not have been selected.

[saint patrick]

If anyone thinks we can snag a Kerr or Cousins without trading a Dal Santo or Kosi are seriously deluded.

Not saying it is the right way to go but will not happen unless we are prepared to give quality or potential in return.

Lyon WILL NOT trade 1 st or 2nd choices for either Kerr or Cousins IMO

[plugger66]

If anyone thinks we can snag a Kerr or Cousins without trading a Dal Santo or Kosi are seriously deluded.

Not saying it is the right way to go but will not happen unless we are prepared to give quality or potential in return.

Lyon WILL NOT trade 1 st or 2nd choices for either Kerr or Cousins IMO

We dont need to do anything to get Cousins. Matter of fact we cannot trade for him.

[saint patrick]

So the Eagles get Zilltch for him???

Think Cousins would be a massive risk and he belongs at Eddieland

Kerr would require a decent trade or a 1 st or second pick.

[mad saint guy]

So the Eagles get Zilltch for him???

He's not listed at any AFL club and can only be picked up in the PSD.

[Little Dozer]

I forgot about Rix- Gawn!!!!!!!!

Also has a year on his contract.

Don't think it's worth paying off blokes like Rix and Fiora unless we're going to replace them with high-ish draft picks.

As I said last year - you need blokes to delist next year as well.

How on earth do Rix and Fiora have multiple season contracts? They will go down in St Kilda history with such names as Newport, Anderson, Bingham, Strooper and Arnol. Absolutely incredible....

[Teflon]

Why in the world would anyone elevate Mcqualter?

Is it for his pace? His awesome kicking ability or the way he wins the ball so well?

The guy is a tagger who offers absolutely nothing.

Get rid of him.

Yep spot on thought the same thing.

Im sorry I hear he was a super jnr - thats great.

Ive seen a short,slow, 30m kick who does moderate shut down jobs and cant win posession (he had 4 on weekend).

Hes just not up to it.

Why does it take St Kilda 5 yrs and another ferguson/barry brooks moment to get this?

Birss MUST be retained and is much better for depth AT LEAST he can shut down AND score when goes fwd.

[S.A Saint]

Anyone who thinks that Dal should be traded simply dont know anything. He is one of a dozen players that need to be kept so that we have a decent chance at winning a premiership.

No point trading dal then getting kerr. we simply give up one of our best players for another one. our problem is that we need quality mids and trading dal will not sort this problem out. we should target kerr some other way by giving the eagle say our 1st and 3rd rounder and possibly someone like leigh fisher/fiora/birss/c.gardiner/mini.

in my opinion we are one 2 quality mids away from a premiership. if the eagles would take the above deal that would be great. and another thing we simply must try and get cousins to the club with psd pick. the guy is an absolute freak and would probably be our no1 midfielder. if we can get these two, we would be a major force next season.

[Saint Mik]

Anyone who thinks that Dal should be traded simply dont know anything. He is one of a dozen players that need to be kept so that we have a decent chance at winning a premiership.

No point trading dal then getting kerr. we simply give up one of our best players for another one. our problem is that we need quality mids and trading dal will not sort this problem out. we should target kerr some other way by giving the eagle say our 1st and 3rd rounder and possibly someone like leigh fisher/fiora/birss/c.gardiner/mini.

in my opinion we are one 2 quality mids away from a premiership. if the eagles would take the above deal that would be great. and another thing we simply must try and get cousins to the club with psd pick. the guy is an absolute freak and would probably be our no1 midfielder. if we can get these two, we would be a major force next season.

Eagles will want more than a 1st and 3rd rounder with a fringe player, we will need to give up quality to get Kerr and if Dal could be traded for Kerr without hurting our draft selections to much then I would do it in a heart beat, you would be trading for a gun PROVEN midfielder for a gun player that has skill but is very lazy at times and is also an outside player that simply does not make it happen but is very good when someone else is doing the hard yards and getting the ball out to him.

That chase through the midfeild on Saturday night from Dal made my blood boil and the Hawks players let him know about it after the goal was kicked, its just not good enough, someone like Kerr would give you 25% more to the team IMO.

[S.A Saint]

saint mik i don't think the eagles would do a straight swap for dal we would have to offer them our second rounder as well. if it was a straight swap then i would lean more towards kerr. however eagles would want dal and some other kin of bonus.

we really need to get quality mids and fast. especially players that have the grunt and hardness that hayes has got. ball has that but is injured always and hampered in some way. hopefully with a solid preseasn under his belt can improve.

[sax]

Retired:
Harvey
Gehrig
M. Gardiner ????

Delist/Teade:
Rix (if M. Gardi calls it quits)
Ferguson
Fiora
L. Fisher
C. Gardiner

Rookies Promoted:
Eddy
McQualtar
Attard

Rookies Retained:
Miles
Haretuku

Rookies Delisted:
Van Rheenan
Chivers

Rookie Listed:
B. McGrath

PSD:
Cousins (If possible)

Trade Targets:
Tim Boyle (Hawks, KPP, 24yo)
Corey Jones (NM, MED FWD, 27yo)
Daniel Harris (NM, MID, 26yo)
Andrew Lovett (Ess, HB/MID/FWD, 25yo)

I'd love to get Kerr, but I think he's out of our reach.
I think we could have a real crack with a couple of these players on our list, our depth would be largely increased.

[Thinline]

How would we get Tim Boyle?

[Saints94]

Retired:

R.Harvey
F.Gehrig
M.Gardiner (delist if he doesn't retire)

Delistments:

M.Ferguson
L.Fisher
A.Fiora
C.Gardiner
M.Rix
A.Mcqualter
L.Van Rheenan

Rookies Elavated:

R.Eddy
J.Attard

Trade:

J.Kozchitzke
N.Dal Santo
L.Fisher (if not delisted)
A.Fiora (if not delisted)
C.Gardiner (if not delisted)

Trade Targets:

D.Kerr
T.Boyle
A.Swallow
C.Jones
R.O'keefe
B.Mclean
B.Jones
A.Lovett

[SainterK]

Retired:

Harvey
Gehrig

Delistments:

Rix
Fiora
M Gardiner

Trade:

X Clarke

Surprises:

C Jones I don't know why, I just have a feeling he may go home to Freo

[Ralphy]

Retired:

Harvey
Gehrig

Delistments:

Rix
Fiora
M Gardiner

Trade:

X Clarke

Surprises:

C Jones I don't know why, I just have a feeling he may go home to Freo

they cant delist fiora

[Saints94]

Retired:

Harvey
Gehrig

Delistments:

Rix
Fiora
M Gardiner

Trade:

X Clarke

Surprises:

C Jones I don't know why, I just have a feeling he may go home to Freo

they cant delist fiora

Why not, he is useless

[Ralphy]

Retired:

Harvey
Gehrig

Delistments:

Rix
Fiora
M Gardiner

Trade:

X Clarke

Surprises:

C Jones I don't know why, I just have a feeling he may go home to Freo

they cant delist fiora

Why not, he is useless

he is contracted till the end of 2009, so you can not delist him.

[Saints94]

Retired:

Harvey
Gehrig

Delistments:

Rix
Fiora
M Gardiner

Trade:

X Clarke

Surprises:

C Jones I don't know why, I just have a feeling he may go home to Freo

they cant delist fiora

Why not, he is useless

he is contracted till the end of 2009, so you can not delist him.

Yes you can except you have to pay him out

[plugger66]

Retired:

Harvey
Gehrig

Delistments:

Rix
Fiora
M Gardiner

Trade:

X Clarke

Surprises:

C Jones I don't know why, I just have a feeling he may go home to Freo

they cant delist fiora

Why not, he is useless

he is contracted till the end of 2009, so you can not delist him.

You can buy must pay him out if he isnt picked up by another club.

[To the top]

Do you people know anything?

Our ruck division is King, M. Gardiner, Rix and McEvoy.

And we "pinch hit" with Koschitzke and Blake, neither of whom has the body mass and height to ruck.

King and M. Gardiner are the ages they are, plus they have had injury disruptions over the later stages of their careers.

That said, King put in the season he did and M. Gardiner was making real progress (from a desperate gamble after his journey with West Coast then missing his first season at St Kilda) until injured against Sydney - his making the team and what he was then bringing was a decided bonus including because of his aggression - as was his late return with Casey.

Rix was the insurance behind King and M. Gardiner (and that is his status) and got one game, was found wanting not to be tried again no matter M. Gardiner's absence and McEvoy's inexperience.

So how many genuine ruckmen are we going to retain?

Do we go back to Rix?

Or are we going to draft another McEvoy and trust he stands up in his first year in the AFL system, along with McEvoy? And pigs may fly!

Simply, in my view, and given their performances, King and M. Gardiner are required players in 2009 - and behind them we have the developing McEvoy and Van Reehan.

And if we get really stuck again because one of King or M. Gardiner is unavailable, and McEvoy needs more time and experience, then we will have to again "burn" the 197cm, 98kg Koschitzke rucking.


Unless you are Thomas and believe ruckmen are not necessary!

The recruitment of M. Clarke and M. Gardiner and King says the current Coach has a different view to the previous occupant.

Although I still think Brook's departure was premature, recognising that his 198cm and the rule changes conspired against him rucking and consigned him to a forward/ruckman role.

The Coach went for genuine ruckmen.

There is the message.

[JohnE]

Geez, talk about short memories... Mini did some great shut down work in the second half of the season, on dangerous opponents (hawks, blues), helping us to even make the finals... Needs grow the mo and shave the head, still only 22.