3AW rumour: X Clarke & Gwilt for Pies' Pick 11

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Seems too good to be true.

Agreed. But it's given me a chance to dream of Sidebottom in a Saints jumper again, and that's a very comforting dream.

[FullMonty]

If we got King and Gardiner for pick 90, imagine what we could get for pick 11 and 13

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If we got King and Gardiner for pick 90, imagine what we could get for pick 11 and 13

Ablett?

[ctqs]

I have no idea if it's true but my initial reluctance has turned around. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if that first-round pick wasn't used to pick up O'Keefe in a trade.

[meher baba]

Sorry to go against the consensus here, but the whole idea sucks IMO + particularly in relation to X - and I certainly wouldn't be jumping for joy if it happens: especially if we end up with O'Keefe at the end of it all.

Perhaps there's something about the relationship between Raph and X that I don't know. But Raph now looks like he's going to come good big time after struggling with separation from his family, injury, serious illness and the death of his dad. And we are going to separate him from his brother (according to one rumour, send him to play in another city) ???!!!!

And both X and Gwilt can kick straight and are relatively quick: two elements with whic we are not over-endowed in our midfield/half forward line.

And it's more than likely that both have their best football ahead of them. Is this true of O'Keefe?

[St.Walker]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

[saintjake]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

how about
pies- injury riddled x and fringe gwilt
saints- pick 11, to sit nicely with pick 13:)
sure, there is a chance we may pick up a dud,
but with the 2 we are bound to get a gun
and lets face it.
X and gwilts careers havnt been amazing.
LOOK BEYOND POTENTIAL FFS!

[4ever_saint]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

Wait, so in this scenary we're giving the swans pick 11 and L.Fisher for what now? O'Keefe?

[meher baba]

Sorry to go against the consensus here, but the whole idea sucks IMO + particularly in relation to X - and I certainly wouldn't be jumping for joy if it happens: especially if we end up with O'Keefe at the end of it all.

Perhaps there's something about the relationship between Raph and X that I don't know. But Raph now looks like he's going to come good big time after struggling with separation from his family, injury, serious illness and the death of his dad. And we are going to separate him from his brother (according to one rumour, send him to play in another city) ???!!!!

And both X and Gwilt can kick straight and are relatively quick: two elements with whic we are not over-endowed in our midfield/half forward line.

And it's more than likely that both have their best football ahead of them. Is this true of O'Keefe?

[saintjake]

Sorry to go against the consensus here, but the whole idea sucks IMO + particularly in relation to X - and I certainly wouldn't be jumping for joy if it happens: especially if we end up with O'Keefe at the end of it all.

Perhaps there's something about the relationship between Raph and X that I don't know. But Raph now looks like he's going to come good big time after struggling with separation from his family, injury, serious illness and the death of his dad. And we are going to separate him from his brother (according to one rumour, send him to play in another city) ???!!!!

And both X and Gwilt can kick straight and are relatively quick: two elements with whic we are not over-endowed in our midfield/half forward line.

And it's more than likely that both have their best football ahead of them. Is this true of O'Keefe?

you posted this twice

[fingers]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

how about
pies- injury riddled x and fringe gwilt
saints- pick 11, to sit nicely with pick 13:)
sure, there is a chance we may pick up a dud,
but with the 2 we are bound to get a gun
and lets face it.
X and gwilts careers havnt been amazing.
LOOK BEYOND POTENTIAL FFS!

Look beyond potential?? What else are you buying in the draft?

[saintjake]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

how about
pies- injury riddled x and fringe gwilt
saints- pick 11, to sit nicely with pick 13:)
sure, there is a chance we may pick up a dud,
but with the 2 we are bound to get a gun
and lets face it.
X and gwilts careers havnt been amazing.
LOOK BEYOND POTENTIAL FFS!

Look beyond potential?? What else are you buying in the draft?

true, sorry, wrong choice of words.
i meant, how people say "if we trade x we will regret it, blah blah blah,
truth is he is as much of a list clogger as M.G,
im jsut sick of everyone having a cry about trading players who have not played anywhere near the potential they have
kosi and x main ones,
we are NEVER going to win a flag if we keep persisting with these players
HOPING! their bodies will come right.

full rant on here
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=48115

[fingers]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

how about
pies- injury riddled x and fringe gwilt
saints- pick 11, to sit nicely with pick 13:)
sure, there is a chance we may pick up a dud,
but with the 2 we are bound to get a gun
and lets face it.
X and gwilts careers havnt been amazing.
LOOK BEYOND POTENTIAL FFS!

Look beyond potential?? What else are you buying in the draft?

true, sorry, wrong choice of words.
i meant, how people say "if we trade x we will regret it, blah blah blah,
truth is he is as much of a list clogger as M.G,
im jsut sick of everyone having a cry about trading players who have not played anywhere near the potential they have
kosi and x main ones,
we are NEVER going to win a flag if we keep persisting with these players
HOPING! their bodies will come right.

full rant on here
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=48115

Get your point and agree. It's very easy to get "emotionally" attached to the players in your team. My issue is that I think X is an exception. I am not sure he has had a chance to get his body right. The new fitness team said it might take 2 years for a real base to build. X obviously is prone to injury and maybe needs a little longer to develop that base.

Not sure - of course I am only speculating.

The real feeling in my gut is that these guys will do a freaking Guerra and win a premiership somewhere else.

[saintjake]

Pies - X & Jimmy
Saints- ROK (pies no 11) & 13
Swans- 11 & L.Fisher

how about
pies- injury riddled x and fringe gwilt
saints- pick 11, to sit nicely with pick 13:)
sure, there is a chance we may pick up a dud,
but with the 2 we are bound to get a gun
and lets face it.
X and gwilts careers havnt been amazing.
LOOK BEYOND POTENTIAL FFS!

Look beyond potential?? What else are you buying in the draft?

true, sorry, wrong choice of words.
i meant, how people say "if we trade x we will regret it, blah blah blah,
truth is he is as much of a list clogger as M.G,
im jsut sick of everyone having a cry about trading players who have not played anywhere near the potential they have
kosi and x main ones,
we are NEVER going to win a flag if we keep persisting with these players
HOPING! their bodies will come right.

full rant on here
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=48115

Get your point and agree. It's very easy to get "emotionally" attached to the players in your team. My issue is that I think X is an exception. I am not sure he has had a chance to get his body right. The new fitness team said it might take 2 years for a real base to build. X obviously is prone to injury and maybe needs a little longer to develop that base.

Not sure - of course I am only speculating.

The real feeling in my gut is that these guys will do a freaking Guerra and win a premiership somewhere else.

but thats jsut the choice we have to make,
they arent contributing to what we have now.
and they guys that are
are being let down
AND SO ARE WE THE SUPPORTERS!
im tired of it

[fingers]

t thats jsut the choice we have to make,
they arent contributing to what we have now.
and they guys that are
are being let down
AND SO ARE WE THE SUPPORTERS!
im tired of it

Fair enough. So we would end up with pick 11 and 13 - no X and no Gwilt.

Still doesn't sit right for me. Not sure why. I guess Gwilt was a JB roughie wasn't he?

Who the FK knows ????

[saintjake]

t thats jsut the choice we have to make,
they arent contributing to what we have now.
and they guys that are
are being let down
AND SO ARE WE THE SUPPORTERS!
im tired of it

Fair enough. So we would end up with pick 11 and 13 - no X and no Gwilt.

Still doesn't sit right for me. Not sure why. I guess Gwilt was a JB roughie wasn't he?

Who the FK knows ????

yeah straight from nobel park 1's
would be like me getting plucked from my local ones this year.
so i think he has done amzaingly well.
no TAC cup.
still has a lot to learn, and along way to go.
X has been in reverse for years.

[Eastern]

Let's just keep our powder dry for a bit longer here. I heard the caller on SEN and I think it has NO more credibility than the hundreds of alleged deals brought up this week.

Ask yourselves this question; Is it better to wait until 2.00pm tomorrow before offering up opinions on this? !!

[saintjake]

Let's just keep our powder dry for a bit longer here. I heard the caller on SEN and I think it has NO more credibility than the hundreds of alleged deals brought up this week.

Ask yourselves this question; Is it better to wait until 2.00pm tomorrow before offering up opinions on this? !!

true sorry,
the frustration just boiled over tonight.
im looking at it with 16 year old eyes,
sick of watching his team come so close, but never close enought
and STILL not relising we have got that close, on the back of a few players
and if we jsut put our dick back on grew some balls and traded our second string players, we could get that extra 20% we need.

[st.byron]

Let's just keep our powder dry for a bit longer here. I heard the caller on SEN and I think it has NO more credibility than the hundreds of alleged deals brought up this week.

Ask yourselves this question; Is it better to wait until 2.00pm tomorrow before offering up opinions on this? !!

nah Eastern. More fun to be poorly informed, shadow boxing armchair experts.

[derby Street]

Thank you Eastern for a bit of sanity - let's wait folks.

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Ask yourselves this question; Is it better to wait until 2.00pm tomorrow before offering up opinions on this? !!

By tomorrow morning I predict we'll just have moved onto the next bogus trade week rumour. When all is said and done, I still expect us to have been non-players in trade week.

Cut us a little slack. Trade week has always been slow, and this one has been particularly dull. Even just the hint of a nibble has us circling for the kill.

[saintbrat]

Sorry to go against the consensus here, but the whole idea sucks IMO + particularly in relation to X - and I certainly wouldn't be jumping for joy if it happens: especially if we end up with O'Keefe at the end of it all.

Perhaps there's something about the relationship between Raph and X that I don't know. But Raph now looks like he's going to come good big time after struggling with separation from his family, injury, serious illness and the death of his dad. And we are going to separate him from his brother (according to one rumour, send him to play in another city) ???!!!!

And both X and Gwilt can kick straight and are relatively quick: two elements with whic we are not over-endowed in our midfield/half forward line.

And it's more than likely that both have their best football ahead of them. Is this true of O'Keefe?

agree with most of this
BUT X and Raph's dad is still Battling on- was in fact down in Melbourne to watch both boys play toward the end of the season- still unwell But as with Jack keeping going.

[meher baba]

Sorry to go against the consensus here, but the whole idea sucks IMO + particularly in relation to X - and I certainly wouldn't be jumping for joy if it happens: especially if we end up with O'Keefe at the end of it all.

Perhaps there's something about the relationship between Raph and X that I don't know. But Raph now looks like he's going to come good big time after struggling with separation from his family, injury, serious illness and the death of his dad. And we are going to separate him from his brother (according to one rumour, send him to play in another city) ???!!!!

And both X and Gwilt can kick straight and are relatively quick: two elements with whic we are not over-endowed in our midfield/half forward line.

And it's more than likely that both have their best football ahead of them. Is this true of O'Keefe?

agree with most of this
BUT X and Raph's dad is still Battling on- was in fact down in Melbourne to watch both boys play toward the end of the season- still unwell But as with Jack keeping going.

Oops. My bad. Good to hear he was down watching the boys. May he live long enough to see them both win a flag in R,W and B!!

[kickittokosi!!!!]

posted this in the other X clarke thread, though may as well repeat it here...


Whilst i understand that footy is a tough business, and you cant afford to keep players who just can't cut it, I would be quite disappointed if Xavier was trading.

I understand that he's had constant injuries, X has so many positives...

Xavier has shown very good disposal skills (unlike some), great pace, and despite his frail body, a tenacity at the ball which is exciting to watch and i believe, lifts his teammates.

Why trade a young-ish fast, talented midfielder, when we we're being critcised for lacking midfield pace and depth?

Plus, whilst i know winning football games comes first, but Xavier is also a leading contributor withthe Saints Community Programs aswell as his own Aboriginal Youth Guidance (i think?) initiative.
What a fantastic role model for younger football players.

I know it's a tough business, but i hope he stays.


"Strength through loyalty"...
... does that apply with supporters and players? obvious not here.
He's been a Saint for 6-ish years now.
Don't be so quick to sell him out for some number in a draft FFS.

[goodie]

Collingwood fans would burn down the Lexus Centre...

Let's do it!