Thomas should have listened to Butterss

[vacuous space]

Choose to believe me or not...

I'd have to go with 'not'.

[ace]

How many years would Judd have stayed before Visy offerred him over a million a year to go to Carlton.

West Coast outsmarted St Kilda.
They put it about that they were interested in Ball but would not take Judd due to shoulder issues.
Hawthorn was known to be taking Hodge at 1 because he came ready to play AFL.
Ablett was not available because Geelong had him under father-son for a third round pick.
Fremantle were known to be only interested in a key position player at 4.
By taking Ball at 2 St Kilda thought they could get Judd at 5.
West Coast pounced at 3.

If we had got Ball and Judd we would only have won premierships until the salary cap blew off.

When Judd played for Butterss, Judd's nickname was "magic".

[mordi]

whilst we are in "what-if" land......imagine if Butterss had been President of the WC Eagles.....

that would have been some party.........

[SydneySainter]

You finished your repeti-tirades about GT wanting to trade Milne? Any reason?

... because GT was right!

Don't agree. Nominated for All Australian this year and has still saved our skin on several occasions since Lyon threw him a life line.

Yes, I'm aware of his lack of output during our finals campaign and while his misses in the GF cost us plenty, he didn't cost us the game as Mini and Schneider also shot themselves in the foot.

If he goes, I wont be gutted, but if he stays, I'm sure he will feel he has unfinished business.

[Milton66]

You finished your repeti-tirades about GT wanting to trade Milne? Any reason?

... because GT was right!

Don't agree. Nominated for All Australian this year and has still saved our skin on several occasions since Lyon threw him a life line.

Yes, I'm aware of his lack of output during our finals campaign and while his misses in the GF cost us plenty, he didn't cost us the game as Mini and Schneider also shot themselves in the foot.

If he goes, I wont be gutted, but if he stays, I'm sure he will feel he has unfinished business.

My view on Milne is that does not perform against better sides. Yes he has improved, and no I'm not blaming him for the GF loss.

He's 30 and won't improve much if any.

[SydneySainter]

You finished your repeti-tirades about GT wanting to trade Milne? Any reason?

... because GT was right!

Don't agree. Nominated for All Australian this year and has still saved our skin on several occasions since Lyon threw him a life line.

Yes, I'm aware of his lack of output during our finals campaign and while his misses in the GF cost us plenty, he didn't cost us the game as Mini and Schneider also shot themselves in the foot.

If he goes, I wont be gutted, but if he stays, I'm sure he will feel he has unfinished business.

My view on Milne is that does not perform against better sides. Yes he has improved, and no I'm not blaming him for the GF loss.

He's 30 and won't improve much if any.

At his age, maybe we have seen the best Milne will do. Which is why I wouldn't be doing a hand stand if we got Davis through the Ball trade, as he is under the same suspect cloud. Wouldn't happen anyway, as I believe he wants to go back to WA.

Either way, will be interesting to see if he fits into the 2010 team plan!

[Milan Faletic]

You finished your repeti-tirades about GT wanting to trade Milne? Any reason?

... because GT was right!

Don't agree. Nominated for All Australian this year and has still saved our skin on several occasions since Lyon threw him a life line.

Yes, I'm aware of his lack of output during our finals campaign and while his misses in the GF cost us plenty, he didn't cost us the game as Mini and Schneider also shot themselves in the foot.

If he goes, I wont be gutted, but if he stays, I'm sure he will feel he has unfinished business.

My view on Milne is that does not perform against better sides. Yes he has improved, and no I'm not blaming him for the GF loss.

He's 30 and won't improve much if any.

At his age, maybe we have seen the best Milne will do. Which is why I wouldn't be doing a hand stand if we got Davis through the Ball trade, as he is under the same suspect cloud. Wouldn't happen anyway, as I believe he wants to go back to WA.

Either way, will be interesting to see if he fits into the 2010 team plan!

Just a random thought, Milne for Akermanis?? Just thinking aloud, any opinions?

[Milton66]

With a comment like that... are you inviting opinions or ridiculing comments?

[Mr Magic]

How many years would Judd have stayed before Visy offerred him over a million a year to go to Carlton.

West Coast outsmarted St Kilda.
They put it about that they were interested in Ball but would not take Judd due to shoulder issues.
Hawthorn was known to be taking Hodge at 1 because he came ready to play AFL.
Ablett was not available because Geelong had him under father-son for a third round pick.
Fremantle were known to be only interested in a key position player at 4.
By taking Ball at 2 St Kilda thought they could get Judd at 5.
West Coast pounced at 3.

If we had got Ball and Judd we would only have won premierships until the salary cap blew off.

When Judd played for Butterss, Judd's nickname was "magic".

You and I must have been at the same 'Thommo Club Night' when John Beveridge publicly told us his version of the Ball/Judd deal.

What you left out was that we didn't rate either over the other and wanted both.
WCE stated that they would not take Judd at #3 because of his shoulders and let it be known that they would take Ball at #3.
We 'knew' that Freo wouldn't take either (if still available) at #4 so we were confident that by taking Ball at #3 we would also get Judd at #5.

According to Beveridge, the WCE official when calling out Judd's number and name at pick #3, looked directly at the Saints and smiled.

I have never had anu reason to dispute Beveridge's version, so it would seem that neither GT nor RB is to blame for us not getting Judd.

[St. Luke]

Choose to believe me or not...

I'd have to go with 'not'.

+1

Thread of crap!

[HarveysDeciple]

Did Rod Butterss tell GT that Ball would be a star for 4 years, win a B and F, be runner up in another, captain the club into the finals then tear his groin badly, play through pain and develop a debilitating condition?

If he said that then yes he should have listened, but I doubt he did, do you?

[SENsei]

How many years would Judd have stayed before Visy offerred him over a million a year to go to Carlton.

West Coast outsmarted St Kilda.
They put it about that they were interested in Ball but would not take Judd due to shoulder issues.
Hawthorn was known to be taking Hodge at 1 because he came ready to play AFL.
Ablett was not available because Geelong had him under father-son for a third round pick.
Fremantle were known to be only interested in a key position player at 4.
By taking Ball at 2 St Kilda thought they could get Judd at 5.
West Coast pounced at 3.

If we had got Ball and Judd we would only have won premierships until the salary cap blew off.

When Judd played for Butterss, Judd's nickname was "magic".

You and I must have been at the same 'Thommo Club Night' when John Beveridge publicly told us his version of the Ball/Judd deal.

What you left out was that we didn't rate either over teh other and wnated both.
WCE stated that they would not take Judd at #3 because of his shoulders and let it be known that they would take Ball at #3.
We 'knew' that Freo wouldn't take either (if still available) at #4 so we were confident that by taking Ball at #3 we would also get Judd at #5.

According to Beveridge, the WCE official when calling out Judd's number and name at pick #4, looked directly at the Saints and smiled.

I have never had anu reason to dispute Beveridge's version, so it would seem that neither GT nor RB is to blame for us not getting Judd.

Pretty close account. Except Judd was pick 3 not 4. Fremantle took Polak with pick 4, didn't they? We then took X for pick 5.

[satchmo]

Butterss wanted to draft Judd, but it was Thomas's decision to make and he instead chose to use this selection on Ball!

I'm still trying to figure out whether this decision by Thomas has cost us one, two or three premierships so far.

Admittedly Ball was crucified by Thomas who played him into the ground when his body was not right, which resulted in longer term ramifications, and ultimately rendered Ball a distant third behind Hodge and Judd in any pecking order, but Butterss was imploring we use the selection on Judd from the get go.

IMHO the St kilda football club should employ Thomas in an advisory role on recruiting, trading and drafting and when his considered judgement is offered, then do the exact opposite.

Rubbish Butterss all you want, but he wanted St kilda to draft Judd, NOT Ball, in the end this one decision has cost us so much.

So now Ball wants to play for the filth and Judd is now captain of the scum and we still do not have a premiership.

It could have been oh so different!

Yeah thanks Grant

This post belongs on the Music Trivia thread.

And the answer is

[Dan Warna]

but Judd would have gone to carlton for $$$ and a job at Visy as an evironmental consultant or some such wank at $1m per year and demetriou would be saying but its not salary cap abuse and there is no such thing as tanking...

[joffaboy]

Ball Op when he was drafted.

Played one game in his first year.

Seemed to have overcome OP and then when it flaired up again Thomas ran him into the ground (like he crippled Kosi with his crook back)

[St.Rob8]

barks4eva wrote:
Choose to believe me or not...

vacuous space wrote
I'd have to go with 'not'.

In that case I'll go with NOT too.

[asiu]

thanks Grant

too easy

[super dooper]

In hindsight Butterss was right but, lets be honest, the sun even shines on a dog's ass sometimes.

Hilarious, never heard that saying before but i love it

[remboy]

Maybe we should have drafted all of the kids in Rod Butterss Under 14 side. Im sure that would have been a sound recruiting policy.
Another reason we went for Ball was that we wanted the best in and under player to cover for the impending retirements of Burke and Thompson. Also one the reasons BAll didn't play much in his first season was that he was doing Year 12 and the club allowed him to concentrate on that.
Is it just me or does Barks have something against GT?

[Eastern]

Is it just me or does Barks have something against GT?

Why do you ask questions that have obvious answers ? !!