Guess who has a calf strain?

[The_Dud]

Harvey wasn’t pushed into retirement. He chose to retire.

His time was up, he was pushing 38yo and his last two seasons he was waning a bit.

Maybe he could’ve played on for a crack at the flag? But how many years was he going to go on doing that?
At some stage you need to call time

Unless you’re Tom Brady?!

Speaking of NFL
Antonio Brown... a problem that was given a lifeline. Now has a Super Bowl championship ring.

Harvey’s last two seasons at St Kilda = 10 Brownlow votes
Hannebery’s last two seasons at Sydney = 6 Brownlow votes.

Yet apparently one is ‘waning’, and the other worthy of a $4M five year contract...

And AB is a HOF WR who only got picked up half way thru the season (after serving a league suspension) because he is mates with TB, management didn’t want anything to do with him. That is just a lesson in how much pull Brady has at the Bucs.

[Joffa Burns]

Did I compare the two as players?

You clearly compared the two by introducing Harvey into the thread.
To now add the "as players" component is deflection at it's highest standard.

Face fact BM, you introduced Harvey as a comparison with a stretched interpretation of the facts and now resort to semantics to deflect the obvious results of your post.

[Joffa Burns]

Robert Harvey missed 36 out of 88 games from 1999-2002

Hamstring, Shoulder, Knee, Calf

You fail to mention 20 of those matches was with a knee reco and another 6 with a shoulder which were both impact injuries. The only calf injury he sustained was post reco and was most likely related to the knee.

The comparison to Hannebery's soft tissue problems is laughable.

[B.M]

Harvey was 36 in his second last year at StK

Hannebery was 27 in his second last year at Sydney

Perhaps we should have signed Harves to a 5 year deal and he could have played until he was 42??

I seriously hope Hannebery plays 18+ games this year and puts some eggs on faces.

But if he does, none will eat humble pie. Just jump on the bandwagon and pretend they were on it all along!

One thing I’ve learned from watching football over the years
Never write off champions

For pick 29 sliding to 38 (Battle) he was well worth it!


BTW
Still can’t find where I compared the playing ability of Harves and Hanners? Please enlighten?!

[B.M]

And I think it’s fair to say Robert was slowing down in his final years (from a very high level)

10 Brownlow votes over two years, was in fact low for him considering he averaged around 10 per year

He averaged just over 20ppg in his final two seasons
His career average was over 25ppg (peak 30+)

[shanegrambeau]

Wouldn't surprise me if Harvey wanted to play on.

Thing with Hanners, the Sydney fans seem to think he was toast when we got him. I tried, but I couldn't find one comment on Big Footy that otherwise... Typical remark on Big Footy in August 2018 is like this one,

.......Big Footy.......(Aug, '18) ............

Let's keep it civil in here gents, the thread is about Hanners.

Love what he's done for the club up to 2016, unfortunately injuries have robbed him of his greatest asset that is his explosive running capacity in recent years. He'll always be great for his role in winning us that 2012 grand final, I'm glad he played 200+ games with us.

But I hope that we move on from him, his best seems to be well and truly behind him, he can't even chase anymore and he constantly turns the ball over. He'd be holding back a young player in the team if he were to continue, he's 28 next year with injury struggles. Given we're in transition we need to be blooding new young players into his role.

...........


There were disagreements ab out his character, personality, party-boy-ness, effort on the field, substances...etc., but there was no disagreement about one thing....he was cooked.

[B.M]

And Joffa,

Exactly how did Harves miss 20 games with a knee reco?!

He did his knee in R12 vs Freo in 2001
And PLAYED in round 1 2002

How exactly did you get 20 games there????

My maths says he missed 10 games (R13-R22)

But don’t let the facts or truth get in the way of a good witch hunt!

[Joffa Burns]

BTW
Still can’t find where I compared the playing ability of Harves and Hanners? Please enlighten?!

Now you are just embarrassing yourself BM

[B.M]

Shaun Burgoyne was meant to cooked when he was recruited to Hawthorn and he is still playing 10 years later

Not saying DH will be or will ever get back close to his best

But what I am saying is that supporters don’t have a F***ing clue about judging the fitness or otherwise of an elite athlete!

[B.M]

Again Joffa,

How many did Harves miss with his knee?

Stop making stuff up to look like a hero

And use my old favourite ‘the quote button’ to show me where I compared the two as players.
I think you missed the point

Not for the first time

[Joffa Burns]

And Joffa,

Exactly how did Harves miss 20 games with a knee reco?!

He did his knee in R12 vs Freo in 2001
And PLAYED in round 1 2002

How exactly did you get 20 games there????

My maths says he missed 10 games (R13-R22)

But don’t let the facts or truth get in the way of a good witch hunt!

Sorry, hit 20 instead of 10, mistake on my part.

No witch hunt here BM, your persecution complex is unwarranted. I’m merely pointing out bulls*** and stupidly.

You brought Harvey into the discussion and now you back track and deflect about comparison of ability.

Get over it and move on, we all makes dicks of ourselves on here from time to time. Some just more than others

[B.M]

Oh, it was just a typo now, righto

Whatever you say mate, I’m sorry to point out your bullsh*t with a fact.

My point was pretty simple
Harves missed 36 games in 4 years (10 with reco which a lot of 30+ players struggle to come back from) 8 with a shoulder (another bad injury, take it from me as I have had a reco recently) and 18 with soft tissue injuries.
He was questioned due to his age (30+) and poor run with injury.

Then 2003 came around and at 32 he was an AA again and polled well in the Brownlow.

Hence, never write off a champion.

DH is no Robert Harvey (playing wise, none are)
But, he too could quite possibly find continuity in his training, string games together and again be a good player at AFL level!

[skeptic]

Harvey was largely durable throughout his career and his injuries tended to be impact as opposed to chronic soft tissue that he kept reinjuring

Honest question... do you back Hannebery to get back close to his best? Are you confident?

It’s a simple yes or no

[Joffa Burns]

Oh, it was just a typo now, righto

Whatever you say mate, I’m sorry to point out your bullsh*t with a fact.

My point was pretty simple
Harves missed 36 games in 4 years (10 with reco which a lot of 30+ players struggle to come back from) 8 with a shoulder (another bad injury, take it from me as I have had a reco recently) and 18 with soft tissue injuries.
He was questioned due to his age (30+) and poor run with injury.

Then 2003 came around and at 32 he was an AA again and polled well in the Brownlow.

Hence, never write off a champion.

DH is no Robert Harvey (playing wise, none are)
But, he too could quite possibly find continuity in his training, string games together and again be a good player at AFL level!

BM, I have enjoyed many of your knowledgeable football posts and remember you stating a very young Rowan Marshall would make a player long before most of us had seen him play, however that doesn't stop me pointing out the bulls*** that you post from time to time.

There is no witch hunt or targeting, just commenting on a post by post basis.
We've all made dicks of ourselves (I may be a record holder in this department) here but most own it and keep on posting anyway, and usually all is forgiven by fellow forumites.

Over the years some self obsessed wannabees have cracked hissy fits and quit the forum with the more extreme egotists going as far as posting an announcement of their forum departure

It's all fun BM, as long as you don't take yourself too seriously and own your bulls*** from time to time

And as Forrest would say "that's all I have to say about that!"

[asiu]

No one was desperate for Cousins

i was

it was a free kick

who cared about his short hair cut
if he got out of line
sack his hairy arse

fmd

up there with leaving tassy
for ... ‘no balls’

what happened to Guts gains Glory

[B.M]

Bullshits posts in your opinion and that’s fine Joffa

Honestly I don’t care if you do or don’t agree with me on anything

But I will point out if you are factually incorrect or are attacking me to prove YOUR point.

And please don’t give me back handed compliments...

[B.M]

Asiu

Yep, absolutely agree and did so in 2009

[B.M]

Skeptic

I have actually stated in this thread. I am hopeful that Dan will get back to 80% of his best.

[skeptic]

Skeptic

I have actually stated in this thread. I am hopeful that Dan will get back to 80% of his best.

That’s not what I asked.

I hope DH wins three Brownlow and a norm smith

The question is do you think he’ll get back to 80% of his best?

[roskilde]

Harvey was 36 in his second last year at StK

Hannebery was 27 in his second last year at Sydney

Perhaps we should have signed Harves to a 5 year deal and he could have played until he was 42??

I seriously hope Hannebery plays 18+ games this year and puts some eggs on faces.

But if he does, none will eat humble pie. Just jump on the bandwagon and pretend they were on it all along!

One thing I’ve learned from watching football over the years
Never write off champions

For pick 29 sliding to 38 (Battle) he was well worth it!


BTW
Still can’t find where I compared the playing ability of Harves and Hanners? Please enlighten?!

Implying that anyone that actually questions the wisdom of signing a man physically incapable of playing professional football consistently actually has some personal desire for the man to fail.

What a stupid comment. I've questioned him since the beginning but I'd be dancing a jig if the man played every game next year and performed at the standard we know he's capable of if he's at his best. I WANT TO HIM TO PROVE ME WRONG.
Why on Earth would anyone have egg on their faces?

[CQ SAINT]

Skeptic

I have actually stated in this thread. I am hopeful that Dan will get back to 80% of his best.

That’s not what I asked.

I hope DH wins three Brownlow and a norm smith

The question is do you think he’ll get back to 80% of his best?

Based on Hannerbery's skill, experience and class, him getting to 80% of his best is likely.
Based on his continuing run of soft tissue injuries since 2017, him sustaining it is unlikely.
Would I have wagered 10% of our cap in 2019 and 2020 (worst case scenario), roughly $2.6m of the AFL's money on it, absolutely.
In terms of the money that had to be spent, and all the reports on Dan's salary, the next 2 years might cost as little as $75k a year or worst case $300k a year and we still got Hill, Howard, Jones, Butler, Ryder, Crouch and Higgins bought in on top.
Does any of this concern me. Hell no.
I won't be held responsible for bad maths but I think my logic is correct.

[Scollop]

Is Nathan Freeman playing footy this year?

[asiu]

I won't be held responsible for bad maths but I think my logic is correct.

i think i like that

: filed , in my shoebox of very ‘useful’ lines

[asiu]

No one was desperate for Cousins

i was

it was a free kick

who cared about his short hair cut
if he got out of line
sack his hairy arse

fmd

up there with leaving tassy
for ... ‘no balls’

what happened to Guts gains Glory

just gunna quote myself
in honour of Mart being back in the fray
(‘n thank god for that)

anyways

i re read my little rant this morning
‘n i go

yea

(and this is why)

we got smashed at primary school
in footy and cricket
... won one game of cricket

i was in the side in grade 3
thats how desperate we were

we got smashed at high school
won the odd few

there’s my formative history

st kilda’ s history is about the same

where’s the DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
with this mob in rw+b

eradicate the pencil pushers
and the chicken legs for starters

they don’t burn.

[Scollop]

No one was desperate for Cousins

i was

it was a free kick

who cared about his short hair cut
if he got out of line
sack his hairy arse

fmd

up there with leaving tassy
for ... ‘no balls’

what happened to Guts gains Glory

just gunna quote myself
in honour of Mart being back in the fray
(‘n thank god for that)

anyways

i re read my little rant this morning
‘n i go

yea

(and this is why)

we got smashed at primary school
in footy and cricket
... won one game of cricket

i was in the side in grade 3
thats how desperate we were

we got smashed at high school
won the odd few

there’s my formative history

st kilda’ s history is about the same

where’s the DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
with this mob in rw+b

eradicate the pencil pushers
and the chicken legs for starters

they don’t burn.

I’ll interpret the above for everyone

Skeptic was on the money with his post regarding the goodwill we have built with the freeing of salary cap space for the Swans when we took Hannas off their books. We had to change our destiny instead of waiting for it to ‘just’ somehow happen.

DO WHATEVER IT TAKES

There is now a grand plan in place and it involves getting Luketh Parker. If we can somehow grab Lukey to add to Timmy, Danny and Zaccy, it will help secure an addition to the cabinet in cupeth number 2...and there you have it. If you build it ....and if you pay them well, silverware will come!

Am I right or what??!!