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Moods wrote:
AS for Roo - Cairnsman, I never said you questioned his courage. The truly ignorant only ever do that, and I don't put you in that catagory. What many blokes I know don't like about Roo, and I'm getting the impression you're one of them, is his, lets call it, metro sexual traits.... I wouldn't imagine he's been in too many punch ons in his life for instance. I certainly don't hold that against him, in fact I respect him him for that. He's not one to crash through packs lilke a Carey or G. Ablett Snr. Why would he? He doesn't have that physique, but that doesn't stop ppl labelling him as a fairy. It's the Johnno Browns of this world that many blokes like to associate themselves with.
Just to clear something up, I don't have one issue with Roo regarding who he is as a person. Life is way to short to judge people on those terms. I judge Roo based on entertainment terms only.
Moods wrote:
Not sure why we would drop a player b/c he's not playing as well as he did 3 years ago. You yourself said forget about past form - it's now that counts. Last year he was no where near getting dropped. He finished 8th in our B&F. That's 8th out of 42 players on our list. Not a great return for a bloke on $900k, but certainly not worth dropping him either. As P66 said, if he does get another contract and he's playing at this level, he just gets a much smaller one. I'm sure he will cope.
In a way I am more critical of how an AFL club runs itself as a business. I mean how did we get ourselves into this terrible mess. How did we end up with a team that is fighting to stay under the salary cap and yet it is a team that is not in a position to challenge for a flag anytime soon. So I look at Roo as an individual team member in those terms and I get frustrated. Not only are we not in a postion to challenge for a flag any time soon, we are also not in a postion to quickly assemble a list of players capable of challenging. It's nothing personal when I talk about Roo and where he is at. I'm detached from the personalities of the game. It's about the club and looking at it like it's a business and right at the moment it is interesting watching.
I honestly didn't think Rooey was that bad on Saturday. He seemed under instruction to push further up the ground which provided opportunities for the guys playing deeper.
Watters seems pretty awake-up to the whole "kick-it-to-Roo" scenario so it will be interesting to see how Riewoldt's role evolves this season.
Cairnsman wrote:
In a way I am more critical of how an AFL club runs itself as a business. I mean how did we get ourselves into this terrible mess. How did we end up with a team that is fighting to stay under the salary cap and yet it is a team that is not in a position to challenge for a flag anytime soon. So I look at Roo as an individual team member in those terms and I get frustrated. Not only are we not in a postion to challenge for a flag any time soon, we are also not in a postion to quickly assemble a list of players capable of challenging. It's nothing personal when I talk about Roo and where he is at. I'm detached from the personalities of the game. It's about the club and looking at it like it's a business and right at the moment it is interesting watching.
Fair enough. I can understand that. I agree it is frustrating. It was only 2 years ago where we were up to our eyeballs in the premiership stakes though. If we want to hold onto the decent players, we need to offer them something to make it worth their while to sign on. Doesn't have to be market value, but everyone is looking for security in their job. I'm not as critical with the club about this. Like I said earlier, when Roo signed his 5 year contract for about $900k a year, everyone was celebrating, few were critical. In hindsight it appears obvious that a champion CHF would eventually succumb to some pretty serious injuries. He had been so durable though, not sure many predicted it would happen. I agree that his salary now is excessive - but based on how he was playing at that time, it was about right I reckon.
All this talk (not necessarily by you) of off loading our best players makes no sense to me. I can hardly think of a premiership team that won without a good mix of older and younger players. I firmly believe that if we trade the Roos, the BJ'S etc our young blokes coming through will be on a rudderless ship.
Leo.J wrote:Rooey's knee or knees are gone, and so are we as a result.
I was hopeful, well still hoping this is not the case.
But after sunday I think his time has come.
You're an idiot!
Oh hang on...
Like your honesty. I wish a few others would do the same. Its actually funny reading. Having a thread like this after one game and most people seeing that one game on TV and saying he is slow, cant move, gawn and so on. 2 weeks later and he is back, a star, moving well and so on.
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Leo.J wrote:Rooey's knee or knees are gone, and so are we as a result.
I was hopeful, well still hoping this is not the case.
But after sunday I think his time has come.
You're an idiot!
Oh hang on...
Like your honesty. I wish a few others would do the same. Its actually funny reading. Having a thread like this after one game and most people seeing that one game on TV and saying he is slow, cant move, gawn and so on. 2 weeks later and he is back, a star, moving well and so on.
I'm just happy to see him enjoying his footy again. Once that returns in someone anything can happen.
Got crucified in the marking contests last night though. It seemed like every time the ball was kicked long to a pack that he was in he went flying sideways out of it, with the ball still 5m or so away from the pack. Happened time and again. It seems someone from them was pretty much bumping him out of them, with no attempt to go for the ball themselves and they were continually allowed to get a way with it. Those packs were pretty crowded, so it was hard to see who was doing what, but the one constant was that Nick was coming out of them sideways.
BTW, he's on Eddie McGuire Tonight, at 8.30pm, for those with Foxtel.
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:Got crucified in the marking contests last night though. It seemed like every time the ball was kicked long to a pack that he was in he went flying sideways out of it, with the ball still 5m or so away from the pack. Happened time and again.
nah, i just watched the replay. he missed one obvious free and one semi-obvious one, and apart from that it was all pretty accurate.
Leo.J wrote:Rooey's knee or knees are gone, and so are we as a result.
I was hopeful, well still hoping this is not the case.
But after sunday I think his time has come.
You're an idiot!
Oh hang on...
Like your honesty. I wish a few others would do the same. Its actually funny reading. Having a thread like this after one game and most people seeing that one game on TV and saying he is slow, cant move, gawn and so on. 2 weeks later and he is back, a star, moving well and so on.
There's at least one other that's been on Riewoldt (and Goddard's) back for 2 years - doubt you will see him visit this thread again though....
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AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:Got crucified in the marking contests last night though. It seemed like every time the ball was kicked long to a pack that he was in he went flying sideways out of it, with the ball still 5m or so away from the pack. Happened time and again.
nah, i just watched the replay. he missed one obvious free and one semi-obvious one, and apart from that it was all pretty accurate.
Well I saw the game with my own eyes from a fantastic vantage point low on level three on the wing and I saw him going out sideways from big packs time after time. I'm not talking about one on one contests, but genuine packs of 4-6. Somehow he was getting bumped out of them just before the ball arrived and it happened numerous times. I'd be very surprised if they were all legal.
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:Got crucified in the marking contests last night though. It seemed like every time the ball was kicked long to a pack that he was in he went flying sideways out of it, with the ball still 5m or so away from the pack. Happened time and again.
nah, i just watched the replay. he missed one obvious free and one semi-obvious one, and apart from that it was all pretty accurate.
Well I saw the game with my own eyes from a fantastic vantage point low on level three on the wing and I saw him going out sideways from big packs time after time. I'm not talking about one on one contests, but genuine packs of 4-6. Somehow he was getting bumped out of them just before the ball arrived and it happened numerous times. I'd be very surprised if they were all legal.
I'm with you on that, even the fox footy commentary team said he was unlucky to not get "2 or 3 more freekicks" And this was only at HALF time!
Absolutely fantastic to see Roo having a crack. Great game and have always loved watching him when he plays well. Let's hope he is on an upward trajectory for the rest of the season.