Midfield

[Ghost Like]

Sounds to me like you've painted Coffield as the new White. The exception being, he plays AFL, where we have all seen him. From the AFL games I've seen him play, he looks nothing like the player you describe.

Shock, horror, a sportsman being a confidence player, that's only the majority.

It's interesting when people hear things. Let's hope my hearing is better, for St Kilda's sake.

I also don't think anyone is doubting Clark (anymore, seemed a few in the first half of 2019) or laying claim that Coffield is showing more.

[Secret Kiel]

Jack Billings must become a more contested player in 2020. He seemed more comfortable in 2019 with improved agression and defensive acts and seemed more comfortable to body players and really got some consistency in his tackling but he needs to maintain and improve this side of his game in 2020 to progress from the wing more onto the coal face.

Why? We've more than enough contested ball players, what we don't have is enough players who can dispose of the ball to our advantage. "Coal face" was never an issue, what came from there, haunts us.

Do we have enough A grade or elite contested ball players AND that can also dispose to our advantage? Billings can be that player.

Imho Billings doesn’t have the build / size for that role. And why take a Rolls Royce to a smash em
Up derby? Get him into space and let him create. Dal Mark II.

Yeah and just like Dal Jack has had to learn how to get his hands dirty and win some of his own ball. Being an outside mid doesn't mean you are excluded from the contested and defensive stuff.

Jack is 185cm and over 80kg and still has some maturing to do, physically and condition wise so his build shouldn't be holding him back from increasing his contested work.

[B.M]

Jack B doesn’t play inside... he will have a similar role to the 900k wingman we just recruited, who also doesn’t win clearances.

Jack is a HF/Wing because he does his best work in space

Steele, Dunstan, Ross, Gresham, Hannebury are good in stoppages

[Secret Kiel]

Jack B doesn’t play inside... he will have a similar role to the 900k wingman we just recruited, who also doesn’t win clearances.

Jack is a HF/Wing because he does his best work in space

Steele, Dunstan, Ross, Gresham, Hannebury are good in stoppages

Yeah couldn't agree more but they both are still required to compete for the ball and be aggressive and defend, you can't have two wingmen who can't run straight at the ball, pretty sure Clarko didn't tell Hill to sit back in 3 grand finals and not run straight at the ball when it was his turn.

Outside doesn't mean incapable of a contest.

[Secret Kiel]

Every player on a field is a clearance and inside player, onballers who are labelled clearance, stoppage or inside players are those that can do it for the whole game. Doesn't mean a wingmen isn't required to win his own ball when it is required of him.

[B.M]

If you are not inside mid

At a stoppage, you will clear out and get in structure.

Ie/ if a HB lays a tackle and forces a stoppage. He will leave the stoppage and get behind the contest line and allow the inside Mids to do their work.

All players need to win contested and uncontested ball, that is a given. But clearances are a different beast

Example
Jimmy Webster (a tough player) on average will have
17 possessions
5 contested
0 clearances
5 one percenters
2 tackles

Due to his positions as a HB

Luke Dunstan
22 Possessions
11 contested
6 clearances
1 one percenter
5 tackles

Due to his position as an inside mid

[CQ SAINT]

If you are not inside

At a stoppage, you will clear out in get in structure.

Ie/ if a HB lays a tackle and forces a stoppage. He will leave the stoppage and get behind the contest line and allow the inside Mids to do their work.

All players need to win contested and uncontested ball, that is a given. But clearances are a different beast

Example
Jimmy Webster (a tough player) on average will have
17 possessions
5 contested
0 clearances
5 one percenters
2 tackles

Due to his positions as a HB

Luke Dunstan
22 Possessions
11 contested
6 clearances
1 one percenter
5 tackles

Due to his position as an inside mid

While I agree in part, it is important to note that as a HB. Webster needs to consider where his man is. Dunstans knows his man is going to be on the inside of the stoppage. Dunstan also often fails to, or is instructed by design not to, get to defensive half stoppages. In which case a substitute plays his role. It is one of the poorer aspects of our defensive half play and needs to be a big improvement area this year.

[B.M]

If a ruckman can get to a stoppage, a mid should clearly get to a stoppage, especially d50 stoppages

At a d50 stoppage
All defenders would be defensive side of their opponent and locked on, the skinny side winger would be at the stoppage, all inside Mids would be at the stoppage you would hope.

F50 stoppages are a little different, because you want to create space by having less congestion (numbers at the stoppage) you will hold out a ruckmen possibly (if you have a key forward capable of taking the ruck ie/Ryder) and a small forward might take an inside role. And the Ruckman and inside mid will play a kick behind the stoppage.

[shanegrambeau]

Is Coffield the new Acres?

.......Because he is quite tall, and moves ok we WANT him to be a good player,....

....... is clearly a confidence player...
but does doubt himself and make mistakes or hesitates....

.......Not the hardest worker or most professional player going around.

Not having seen him play....I can relate to the bit about looking the part and hoping based on impression...
That's only natural and but I believe there is often more to it than blind faith. He must give off those heuristic clues that observers know are good signs....it must be based on something!

Re..lack of application, sulks, don't you think he might mature or turn that lack of focus and distraction into application if the coaches and him, and the stars align.

Got a bit metaphysical there.

We sure have had a few players who look pretty good and don't deliver anything special, that's for sure.

[CQ SAINT]

If a ruckman can get to a stoppage, a mid should clearly get to a stoppage, especially d50 stoppages

At a d50 stoppage
All defenders would be defensive side of their opponent and locked on, the skinny side winger would be at the stoppage, all inside Mids would be at the stoppage you would hope.

F50 stoppages are a little different, because you want to create space by having less congestion (numbers at the stoppage) you will hold out a ruckmen possibly (if you have a key forward capable of taking the ruck ie/Ryder) and a small forward might take an inside role. And the Ruckman and inside mid will play a kick behind the stoppage.

I'm always amused to see Geary stepping in at D50 stoppages. Not because he can't do it but because it changes the stoppage structure from most others, but he is often in close and directing traffic. I'm curious as to whether this is a substitution for Dunstan and what the logic is behind it.
So often we are smashed by D50 clearances that result in a shot on goal by the opposition with Dunstan either heading to the bench or with his hands on his hips a kick off the play.

[B.M]

No he’s (Geary) just following his direct opponent into the stoppage. As small forwards can often go into the the stoppage.

Have you noticed that d50 stoppages are mostly won by the defending team? It’s because the have an outnumber. Which is manufactured by both teams.

But if it’s kicked quickly from the stoppage it’s normally marked by the pressing (attacking) team. Where they have created a spare (even 2)

At a d50 stoppage
You’ll generally have
3 defensive Mids vs 2 attacking mids creating an outnumber (the other attacking mid will sit off the contest around the d50 arc)
A forward ruckman opposed to a Ruckman
The forward ruckman opponent (defender) wicket keeping
A small forward and a small defender
Both attacking and defensive skinny side Wingman

There will always be a plus 1 defender at a d50 stoppage to create an outnumber

Unless under extreme pressure
The first disposal (even 2) will be a run and handball as you don’t want to blindly kick out of a stoppage to two spares around the d50 arc, preferably you want to run out of the stoppage and kick to the forwards that have rolled up.

[avid]

No he’s (Geary) just following his direct opponent into the stoppage. As small forwards can often go into the the stoppage.

Have you noticed that d50 stoppages are mostly won by the defending team? It’s because the have an outnumber. Which is manufactured by both teams.

But if it’s kicked quickly from the stoppage it’s normally marked by the pressing (attacking) team. Where they have created a spare (even 2)

At a d50 stoppage
You’ll generally have
3 defensive Mids vs 2 attacking mids creating an outnumber (the other attacking mid will sit off the contest around the d50 arc)
A forward ruckman opposed to a Ruckman
The forward ruckman opponent (defender) wicket keeping
A small forward and a small defender
Both attacking and defensive skinny side Wingman

There will always be a plus 1 defender at a d50 stoppage to create an outnumber

Unless under extreme pressure
The first disposal (even 2) will be a run and handball as you don’t want to blindly kick out of a stoppage to two spares around the d50 arc, preferably you want to run out of the stoppage and kick to the forwards that have rolled up.

I'm actually learning something from this.
Thanks!

[saintsRrising]

It has been a long time since the Saints have had such depth of quality in our midfield including our rucks.

Adding to this is that we have real variety in our mix. The one paced sameness is gone, especially as Steven was not really available in 2019.

[Impatient Sainter]

It has been a long time since the Saints have had such depth of quality in our midfield including our rucks.

Adding to this is that we have real variety in our mix. The one paced sameness is gone, especially as Steven was not really available in 2019.

Totally agree for the first time in years we will have competition for spots and a competitive VFL side. If you can get decent odds on Sandringham finishing top 4 this year jump on them.

[B.M]

Like every year Sandringham is fully dependant on StK injury list