The Grand Final - who'll win and why

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

User avatar
perfectionist
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9053
Joined: Mon 30 Jul 2007 3:06pm
Has thanked: 60 times
Been thanked: 353 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926386Post perfectionist »

shanegrambeau wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:51am...
That said, didn’t Melbourne beat them pretty easily a few weeks back? ...
Round 11
Melbourne 13.9
Western Bulldogs 8.11

Round 19
Western Bulldogs 13.7
Melbourne 9.11


bangaulegend
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2490
Joined: Mon 19 Mar 2012 8:54pm
Has thanked: 140 times
Been thanked: 546 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926388Post bangaulegend »

Don't care who wins I'm just so f---ing happy that Geelong can't


Vortex
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6472
Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
Has thanked: 862 times
Been thanked: 1025 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926389Post Vortex »

Rupert Murdoch....by about $10 million


User avatar
shanegrambeau
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5971
Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
Has thanked: 334 times
Been thanked: 711 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926391Post shanegrambeau »

perfectionist wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 2:19pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:51am...
That said, didn’t Melbourne beat them pretty easily a few weeks back? ...
Round 11
Melbourne 13.9
Western Bulldogs 8.11

Round 19
Western Bulldogs 13.7
Melbourne 9.11
Ah ha!!
Thanks …got my wires crossed ..so that means the Bulldogs had a telling win…and then didn’t they drop some games…
Like the one Bruce went down…and friendly Cane Cornes coming in and tipping all over them..now he has a red face !! Ha !


You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23139
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 9080 times
Been thanked: 3942 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926393Post saynta »

KANE Cornes is a footy know all know nothing flog. IMHO.


older saint
SS Life Member
Posts: 3380
Joined: Wed 12 Sep 2007 5:30pm
Has thanked: 172 times
Been thanked: 519 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926394Post older saint »

Melbourne 3 goals - Gawn and Jackson to dominate the same way Paddy and Marshall did against English last year but worse.


User avatar
meher baba
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7223
Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
Location: Tasmania
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 516 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926407Post meher baba »

The experience and attacking potency of the Dogs should have an edge in a close one, especially if May isn’t going to be right. Forget (to some extent) about Petracca, The big threats to the Dogs are Gawn in the ruck and Lever cutting off their lines of attack at half back: something that hasn’t happened to them much in their finals so far. If Gawn can choke their access to the ball at stoppages and Lever (and Gawn as well: what an asset he is) can choke their attacks with intercept marks, then the Dees might triumph. But I reckon the Dogs have too many points of attack.

I’m completely neutral in this contest, but I reckon it will be a fascinating one to watch.


"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
Superboot
SS Life Member
Posts: 2508
Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 9:11pm
Location: Behind the goal, South Road end
Has thanked: 32 times
Been thanked: 38 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926430Post Superboot »

I’ve never liked Melbourne, and my feeling goes back to the late ‘60s. They seem to be seen as some sort of sentimental favourite, but not in my mind.

There appears to be a fair bit of triumphalism among Demons supporters around town, which is always annoying, and surely has to be tempting fate. Saints fans would know not to do it.

Added to this, it seems that suppliers are running out of Melbourne scarves, beanies etc. Wouldn’t happen if it was us; we already own all that stuff.

Hoping for a narrow Dogs win.


User avatar
WellardSaint
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8380
Joined: Sat 26 May 2012 11:25am
Location: Perth- the best weather in Oz, but the worst rednecks.
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 883 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926431Post WellardSaint »

I watched both games with disbelief.
Just the relentless running and how everything they did seemed to come off.
Gawn kicking some freak goals.
Bailey Smith launching from outside 50 with that focus and power, and the ball was a bit damp too.
For me, I have no idea whether it'll be a high-scoring shoot-out, or if they'll try to both go defensive.
No idea who will win.


A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤🤍🖤 and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
st.byron
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10598
Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 7:04pm
Location: North
Has thanked: 1011 times
Been thanked: 1055 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926439Post st.byron »

Hope the Dees get up. I have a mate, a bit older than me, just too young to remember their last flag. He’s waited a lifetime too. Doggies broke their drought. Dees can do it, then it will be our turn.


User avatar
Waltzing St Kilda
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2171
Joined: Sun 14 Mar 2010 5:20am
Location: Melbourne
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 361 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926441Post Waltzing St Kilda »

st.byron wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 8:50pm Hope the Dees get up. I have a mate, a bit older than me, just too young to remember their last flag. He’s waited a lifetime too. Doggies broke their drought. Dees can do it, then it will be our turn.
That's usually a reason to hope they DON'T win.


st.byron
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10598
Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 7:04pm
Location: North
Has thanked: 1011 times
Been thanked: 1055 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926446Post st.byron »

Waltzing St Kilda wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 8:58pm
st.byron wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 8:50pm Hope the Dees get up. I have a mate, a bit older than me, just too young to remember their last flag. He’s waited a lifetime too. Doggies broke their drought. Dees can do it, then it will be our turn.
That's usually a reason to hope they DON'T win.
Dees fans are just as long suffering as Saints fans. Dogs fans were too before 2016. Happy to see them win if it’s not us. Dees fans deserve it. 57 years is a long wait.


User avatar
IluvHarvey
SS Life Member
Posts: 2622
Joined: Fri 06 Jun 2008 4:51pm
Location: Melbourne
Has thanked: 34 times
Been thanked: 257 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926493Post IluvHarvey »

Bulldogs will win........ because I want Melbourne to.


"It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress."
User avatar
Impatient Sainter
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4089
Joined: Tue 05 Apr 2016 3:30pm
Has thanked: 2622 times
Been thanked: 1078 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926500Post Impatient Sainter »

I hope Melbourne break their drought!

If the game was played this weekend I would be confident of a Melbourne win, but the extra week off brings the Bulldogs right back into the frame.


saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23139
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 9080 times
Been thanked: 3942 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926502Post saynta »

Superboot wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 7:43pm I’ve never liked Melbourne, and my feeling goes back to the late ‘60s. They seem to be seen as some sort of sentimental favourite, but not in my mind.

There appears to be a fair bit of triumphalism among Demons supporters around town, which is always annoying, and surely has to be tempting fate. Saints fans would know not to do it.

Added to this, it seems that suppliers are running out of Melbourne scarves, beanies etc. Wouldn’t happen if it was us; we already own all that stuff.

Hoping for a narrow Dogs win.

Me either. Melbourne won in 1964 and came into 1965 c**k a hoop. Won their first 6 games from memory, before coming across the saints in a game at the MCG. I remember it well having flown across from Launceston for the match.

That was the game where the Saints swapped their two key position players with Howell lining up at full forward and Bob Murray at full back.

The saints won that game easily and went on to play in a grand final while the down hill skiers were relegated to the wilderness for the next 50 odd years, I also came across for that game too. Unfortunately.

I remember flying back to Tassie after we lost that grannie and running into the doc at the airport. We were both pretty down, sad even.

My hatred goes back years before 1965 when we were a bottom side and we beat the dees by a point . A nephew of big Bob Johnston abused me outside the Civic theater, where I was selling the sporting globe, for following a team of spoilers. He really begrudged the saints for the win. Said we were losers.

I have never forgotten or forgiven.


User avatar
shanegrambeau
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5971
Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
Has thanked: 334 times
Been thanked: 711 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926504Post shanegrambeau »

saynta wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 12:47pm
Superboot wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 7:43pm I’ve never liked Melbourne, and my feeling goes back to the late ‘60s. They seem to be seen as some sort of sentimental favourite, but not in my mind.

There appears to be a fair bit of triumphalism among Demons supporters around town, which is always annoying, and surely has to be tempting fate. Saints fans would know not to do it.

Added to this, it seems that suppliers are running out of Melbourne scarves, beanies etc. Wouldn’t happen if it was us; we already own all that stuff.

Hoping for a narrow Dogs win.

Me either. Melbourne won in 1964 and came into 1965 c**k a hoop. Won their first 6 games from memory, before coming across the saints in a game at the MCG. I remember it well having flown across from Launceston for the match.

....
DC-3?

Convair?

Didn't Melbourne have a massive c%%&ck up with the coach etc., and were never the same?


You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23139
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 9080 times
Been thanked: 3942 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926507Post saynta »

shanegrambeau wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 12:57pm
saynta wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 12:47pm
Superboot wrote: Mon 13 Sep 2021 7:43pm I’ve never liked Melbourne, and my feeling goes back to the late ‘60s. They seem to be seen as some sort of sentimental favourite, but not in my mind.

There appears to be a fair bit of triumphalism among Demons supporters around town, which is always annoying, and surely has to be tempting fate. Saints fans would know not to do it.

Added to this, it seems that suppliers are running out of Melbourne scarves, beanies etc. Wouldn’t happen if it was us; we already own all that stuff.

Hoping for a narrow Dogs win.

Me either. Melbourne won in 1964 and came into 1965 c**k a hoop. Won their first 6 games from memory, before coming across the saints in a game at the MCG. I remember it well having flown across from Launceston for the match.

....
DC-3?

Convair?
Both DC 3's from memory although for the earlier Melbourne game it might have been a Fokker.

For the Grannie, I remember it was a DC 3 cargo plane with I shared with a prize bull destined for the Melbourne show.

The pilots dropped me off at the old Essendon aerodrome. I often flew on cargo planes as the old man tried to keep me happy to live in Tassie, which I hated, so I got to fly back to Melbourne when ever I wanted to.

Definitely went home both times on Fokkers though.

Originally went to Tassie on a DC 4. Mum dad, my sister, our corgi, the cat and our budgie. Both the dog and the cat threw up.

Also remember travelling from Launceston to Hobart once on an old DC 6 which Ansett bought from Texas. It used to carry cattle in the States but TAA was forced by the Government to hand over a couple of brand new Viscounts under their two airline policy for those crappy planes.

It worked out eventually for TAA as those DC 6ers were pressurized and the only planes capable at the time of flying from Sydney to Port Moresby in New Guinea.

Ansett crashed one of the Viscounts so TAA had to replace it.

I also remember flying from Melbourne to Sydney on a Convair when I was a lot younger.

Yeah, I love planes and flying. Wanted to join the airforce, but along came Vietnam, so gave it a miss.

Used to fly a little Victor Air-tourer when I was learning to fly. Had a flat 4 Rolls Royce engine. The airforce replaced that with a much more powerful engine when they used those Victors as trainers.

A former Spitefire pilot in the battle of Britain who was the president of the aero club once took me for a ride as my instructor. The victor was aerobatic. He scared the s*** out of me doing loop the loops and stall turns. Fun though,
Last edited by saynta on Tue 14 Sep 2021 1:40pm, edited 1 time in total.


User avatar
Sainter_Dad
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6339
Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008 1:04pm
Has thanked: 263 times
Been thanked: 1124 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926508Post Sainter_Dad »

Banger9798 wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 7:05pm Got to hand it to the Doggies....incredible effort to destroy Port after all their adversities.

Don't mind who wins, happy for both sides....when the f*** is our turn!?
2009 and 2010 - we did not take our chances


“Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but stupid lasts forever.”

― Aristophanes

If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
st.byron
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10598
Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 7:04pm
Location: North
Has thanked: 1011 times
Been thanked: 1055 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926513Post st.byron »

Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 1:38pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 7:05pm Got to hand it to the Doggies....incredible effort to destroy Port after all their adversities.

Don't mind who wins, happy for both sides....when the f*** is our turn!?
2009 and 2010 - we did not take our chances
Yes indeed. Should have been 5 goals up at half time, not 2.


saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23139
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 9080 times
Been thanked: 3942 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926514Post saynta »

st.byron wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 2:15pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 1:38pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 7:05pm Got to hand it to the Doggies....incredible effort to destroy Port after all their adversities.

Don't mind who wins, happy for both sides....when the f*** is our turn!?
2009 and 2010 - we did not take our chances
Yes indeed. Should have been 5 goals up at half time, not 2.
Yep. And in 1997 it all turned to s*** after boofhead hit the post. Would have put us significantly in front. Easy shot too. Up until then I thought we would win and win well, even though we had lost Spider, Vid and Joel from our best side.

We were out coached though , but family problems for Cuz and Buckets didn't help.


User avatar
shanegrambeau
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5971
Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
Has thanked: 334 times
Been thanked: 711 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926516Post shanegrambeau »

saynta wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 2:35pm
st.byron wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 2:15pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 1:38pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 7:05pm Got to hand it to the Doggies....incredible effort to destroy Port after all their adversities.

Don't mind who wins, happy for both sides....when the f*** is our turn!?
2009 and 2010 - we did not take our chances
Yes indeed. Should have been 5 goals up at half time, not 2.
Yep. And in 1997 it all turned to s*** after boofhead hit the post. Would have put us significantly in front. Easy shot too. Up until then I thought we would win and win well, even though we had lost Spider, Vid and Joel from our best side.

We were out coached though , but family problems for Cuz and Buckets didn't help.
I assume you mean Heatley hitting the post..
Yes, that was a portent of trouble.

I remember the Channel 7 camera (it was neat the way they had it set up) swinging immediately to a close up of a very concerned saint woman in the crowd. Her face looked like she’d seen a ghost.

The out-coached bit I don’t know, but having Jarman down there on poor Shanners was hard. It still churns me up…enough!!!

* Your aeroplanes story is amazing. Dc 3 and a bull to Essendon. Sounds like you had serious connections. Those airlines had crazy growth in the sixties and I suppose there was a real mix of old and new..at the time. (Nowadays it seems passenger planes haven’t changed for fifty years, but back then we went from Dc4 to Concord in 15 years!)


You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23139
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 9080 times
Been thanked: 3942 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926522Post saynta »

shanegrambeau wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 3:01pm
saynta wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 2:35pm
st.byron wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 2:15pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 1:38pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 7:05pm Got to hand it to the Doggies....incredible effort to destroy Port after all their adversities.

Don't mind who wins, happy for both sides....when the f*** is our turn!?
2009 and 2010 - we did not take our chances
Yes indeed. Should have been 5 goals up at half time, not 2.
Yep. And in 1997 it all turned to s*** after boofhead hit the post. Would have put us significantly in front. Easy shot too. Up until then I thought we would win and win well, even though we had lost Spider, Vid and Joel from our best side.

We were out coached though , but family problems for Cuz and Buckets didn't help.
I assume you mean Heatley hitting the post..
Yes, that was a portent of trouble.

I remember the Channel 7 camera (it was neat the way they had it set up) swinging immediately to a close up of a very concerned saint woman in the crowd. Her face looked like she’d seen a ghost.

The out-coached bit I don’t know, but having Jarman down there on poor Shanners was hard. It still churns me up…enough!!!

* Your aeroplanes story is amazing. Dc 3 and a bull to Essendon. Sounds like you had serious connections. Those airlines had crazy growth in the sixties and I suppose there was a real mix of old and new..at the time. (Nowadays it seems passenger planes haven’t changed for fifty years, but back then we went from Dc4 to Concord in 15 years!)
Yes, I has serious connections. I also had some hair raising flights on old DC 3s where I used to sit on a fold down jump seat just behind the pilots, including one time when the fuses blew and we had no landing lights.

I was worried about landing but one of the pilots said we would come down somewhere. Oh. and that bull started to kick the side out of the plane which was of course unlined.

The pilot kept looking for a spare fuse using a torch for light. He found one, thank god.

If you remind me, one day I might tell you about a very scary but interesting flight I has in a light plane traveling from Canberra airport to Jervis Bay.

For years, before jets, TAA's fleet consisted of Electras, Viscounts and Fokker friendships before they moved in to DC 9s etc. I basically grew up with the airline playing a major part of my life through no fault of my own, including shifting States twice.

I also got to meet some amazing people. Think I have mentioned Lorne Green before and it was the main reason my dad was friendly with half a dozen league secretaries, including Alan Cowie, Jim Caldwell and Ian Drake. Drake stayed with us when he travelled to Launceston.

I thought it was Hall that hit the post, but you are right it was Heatley. Hall missed too though.

Yes, Jarman but Allen too. He kicked 4 goals didn't he? A first for him.

Why the f*** Shanahan was left on Jarman remains one of life's mysteries to me.


Yorkeys
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5052
Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2017 1:16pm
Has thanked: 1444 times
Been thanked: 1495 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926541Post Yorkeys »

In Stan's book he writes that he froze, found himself incapable of making any decision.


saynta
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23139
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
Has thanked: 9080 times
Been thanked: 3942 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926542Post saynta »

Yorkeys wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 6:17pm In Stan's book he writes that he froze, found himself incapable of making any decision.
Not surprised.


remboy
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2133
Joined: Fri 22 Jul 2005 9:27am
Location: Rockville
Has thanked: 587 times
Been thanked: 178 times

Re: The Grand Final - who'll win and why

Post: # 1926545Post remboy »

saynta wrote: Tue 14 Sep 2021 3:23pm
Yes, Jarman but Allen too. He kicked 4 goals didn't he? A first for him.
I have much more of an issue with Shane Ellen kicking 5 than Jarman. Ellen hadn’t kicked a goal all year, how can you let him kick five in a game?


Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one.
Post Reply