24? But that would mean I H and 2 A or vv.Thinline wrote:...27 round season...
I think option 2 is better but the media wouldn't permit it.
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24? But that would mean I H and 2 A or vv.Thinline wrote:...27 round season...
bigcarl wrote:I assume that the 27 per cent who don't want a fair draw are Collingwood supporters.
Let's face it, they are on ... and have been on ... a good thing.
A random draw evens out over time, thus it favours no one. There's no need for extra rounds so that everybody plays everybody everywhere. Just a draw that pits everyone against everyone the same amount of times over time. That's fair by any reasonable standards. Sure you might get a team more when they're up or down, but that can happen within a season anyway. I don't think West Coast's previous opponents are going to complain that they had to face Josh Kennedy. If advantages and disadvantages come about by chance, that's fair. It's unfair if they come about by design.plugger66 wrote:Also how does that make the draw fair.
vacuous space wrote:A random draw evens out over time, thus it favours no one. There's no need for extra rounds so that everybody plays everybody everywhere. Just a draw that pits everyone against everyone the same amount of times over time. That's fair by any reasonable standards. Sure you might get a team more when they're up or down, but that can happen within a season anyway. I don't think West Coast's previous opponents are going to complain that they had to face Josh Kennedy. If advantages and disadvantages come about by chance, that's fair. It's unfair if they come about by design.plugger66 wrote:Also how does that make the draw fair.
There's no reason you need to mess with the TV fixture either. Collingwood and Essendon still play at least once a year so you can have that happen on ANZAC day. Losing the other Collingwood v Essendon game isn't losing a ratings bonanza anyway. There is no manufactured rivalry game other than ANZAC day that regularly rates in the top games. What consistently rates is good teams. So you put young and up and coming teams in the prime slots earlier in the season and established older teams later on. There's no reason you couldn't do a flexible fixture either and move games around to suit TV (within reason), so they aren't stuck with meaningless nothings late in the season.
The point is you can make the game better, which generally helps sell the game. As I said before, we have the draft and a salary cap to make the game more fair, because an even comp is a good comp. It's called competition for a reason. There's no reason not to apply the same principle to the fixture.
That's only true if everybody is bad as often as they're good. Anybody with extra games against Richmond or Sydney would beg to differ. If everybody plays the same opponents the same amount of times, there's no room for inadequacies like that.plugger66 wrote:But anyway you do the draw it evens up over time.
In a football sense, ANZAC day isn't an advantage. If teams want to request a a recovery issue, I don't have a problem with it.And if you want everything fair then why would the Pies and Essendon play on Anzac day?
No.And do you really think the TV station covering footy want GC v GWS...
'People' is nobody in particular. I can't speak on behalf of 'people' any more than I can speak on behalf of any other amorphous blob. I want a fairer fixture to level out the playing field. Like the draft or the salary cap....half the reason people want the draw fair is that the big sides dont get the prime spots and get even richer.
I think you're massively overselling the draw of the northern rivalries. Whether the teams win or not will have far more to do with their survival than fixturing.And do you really think that in the growing states they should only have 2 derbies every 4 years.
3rd generation saint wrote:So here I am as a test case re TV ratings.
Anzac Game, have hardly watched it for 10 years now as I am sick of the same two teams over and over and over again, it is just boring.
In reality, I might just check a score, it it is close towards the end, might watch the finish.
Friday night GWS vs Gold Coast, actually belive that would be a more interesting game then the one on this Friday night, would begin watching out of curiosity as to how the two go against each other, who knows, it might not be a great game etc for skills, but it might be an exciting game because it might be close and the result go to the wire.
I will watch any other game, if I think it might be good watching, regardless of whose playing, I just like to watch a good close game.
Use to enjoy watching North in the late 90's, hated the guy, but geez Carey and co provided great entertainment.
Even last Friday night, I enjoyed the fact that I was watching the type of football we played last year, but because it wasn't my team anymore, I could happily watch something else.
If TV ratings is the only measure of success and the draw, hell, then the league should make sure those marque teams make the finals and play each other.
A real draw, will enhance the comp, it will still bring in plenty of revenue as people will still watch and go to games regardless of whose playing.
But the draw as it is, is very much tipped to benefit a few of the teams of the comp, not all of them.
Oh yes plenty of revenue is raised to be given to the teams that are not beneficial of the loaded draw, which they may not need if they played some of those big teams more than just once a season.
38K to the season opener. 21K for the the first Q clash.plugger66 wrote:You must have growing states playing 2 derbies.
vacuous space wrote:38K to the season opener. 21K for the the first Q clash.plugger66 wrote:You must have growing states playing 2 derbies.
No way the league survives without that.
It was an entertaining outburst, but it still doesn't explain how a couple of extra scarcely watched derbies will grow the game. Maybe the northerners will feel sorry for the empty seats and bring a friend next time.plugger66 wrote:Nothing to do with the AFL as a whole, it is about the states but i suppose if you are that close minded you would still have a broke VFL.
And played them all at their home ground in front of their screaming horde of feral supporters. What was it, 12 or 14 consecutive games at home leading into the 2010 Grand Finals?plugger66 wrote:bigcarl wrote:I assume that the 27 per cent who don't want a fair draw are Collingwood supporters.
Let's face it, they are on ... and have been on ... a good thing.
Well it depends how you look at it. They have played more top 8 sides in the last 3 years than any other side. I wouldnt call that part of the draw good.