Gram

[stinger]

Why have three coaches picked this lazy bastard week in week out??

He's played 150+ not bad for a softcock!

bloody good footballer..and a true saints supporter...wish i had had half his ability.....

[SaintPav]

There was a Jason Gram thread started after the game against Richmond that went on for about 11 pages so we don't need another "look at me, I want to flame a bloke thread"....piss weak and gutless...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76039&hilit=jason+gram

BTW, love some of this half arsed commentray about players efforts. If you want to make comments about players being soft and not having a go, sit on the boundry line and watch from there becuase you can't always tell on the telly what is happening...

[mad saint guy]

BTW, love some of this half arsed commentray about players efforts. If you want to make comments about players being soft and not having a go, sit on the boundry line and watch from there becuase you can't always tell on the telly what is happening...

Gram's half-arsed efforts look far worse live than they do on TV. He is an excellent accumulator and reads the play well but there's no defending his poor intensity. It's always been an issue but in the past his positives (pace, long damaging kicking) made up for the negatives. Now he's slowed down considerably, his kicking is nowhere near as effective as it used to be and modern AFL footy demands better pressure. Like his predecessor Aussie Jones (who I loved as a player), he's a one-dimensional outside runner with a poorly rounded game. Aussie got away with being ordinary defensively and having no inside game in the past just like Gehrig got away with standing in the goalsquare and only ever moving to make a lead. That's not going to happen in modern footy and Gram costs the team with his poor effort in contests that would have been the norm for outside runners in 2004, but not acceptable in 2012.

[plugger66]

BTW, love some of this half arsed commentray about players efforts. If you want to make comments about players being soft and not having a go, sit on the boundry line and watch from there becuase you can't always tell on the telly what is happening...

Gram's half-arsed efforts look far worse live than they do on TV. He is an excellent accumulator and reads the play well but there's no defending his poor intensity. It's always been an issue but in the past his positives (pace, long damaging kicking) made up for the negatives. Now he's slowed down considerably, his kicking is nowhere near as effective as it used to be and modern AFL footy demands better pressure. Like his predecessor Aussie Jones (who I loved as a player), he's a one-dimensional outside runner with a poorly rounded game. Aussie got away with being ordinary defensively and having no inside game in the past just like Gehrig got away with standing in the goalsquare and only ever moving to make a lead. That's not going to happen in modern footy and Gram costs the team with his poor effort in contests that would have been the norm for outside runners in 2004, but not acceptable in 2012.

So why do all the coaches play him? Do you know more than them or is he just lucky?

[HitTheBoundary]

We lost.......
and there's a thread bagging Gram, and another one bagging Raph.

Normal SS programming has been resumed.

[MCG-Unit]

Yes Gram's stats and his run and carry are okay - I thought he was good last week and fair last night - should go harder at some contests, but he is what he is.

The coaches keep selecting him and now there is even more depth if they wanted to tip him out.....

[skeptic]

BTW, love some of this half arsed commentray about players efforts. If you want to make comments about players being soft and not having a go, sit on the boundry line and watch from there becuase you can't always tell on the telly what is happening...

Gram's half-arsed efforts look far worse live than they do on TV. He is an excellent accumulator and reads the play well but there's no defending his poor intensity. It's always been an issue but in the past his positives (pace, long damaging kicking) made up for the negatives. Now he's slowed down considerably, his kicking is nowhere near as effective as it used to be and modern AFL footy demands better pressure. Like his predecessor Aussie Jones (who I loved as a player), he's a one-dimensional outside runner with a poorly rounded game. Aussie got away with being ordinary defensively and having no inside game in the past just like Gehrig got away with standing in the goalsquare and only ever moving to make a lead. That's not going to happen in modern footy and Gram costs the team with his poor effort in contests that would have been the norm for outside runners in 2004, but not acceptable in 2012.

So why do all the coaches play him? Do you know more than them or is he just lucky?

Andrew McQualter played the entire 2010 season minus 1 game I think

Of the 20+ games he had about 3 good ones. The decision was defended when we were winning and in 2011 when the results weren't going our away... he was turned on by fans and the coaches alike very quickly despite little change to his actual performance.

The point is that coaches have their views, strategies, ideas for perseverence etc and get paid to make those decisions. Most of the time we don't understand the strategy but that doesn't mean they're always right or that as fans it's stupid of us to question them

[vacuous space]

Andrew McQualter played the entire 2010 season minus 1 game I think

Well that pretty much settles it. Gram must be delisted.

[Teflon]

Andrew McQualter played the entire 2010 season minus 1 game I think

Well that pretty much settles it. Gram must be delisted.

well we tried trading and got no interest............

[plugger66]

Gram's half-arsed efforts look far worse live than they do on TV. He is an excellent accumulator and reads the play well but there's no defending his poor intensity. It's always been an issue but in the past his positives (pace, long damaging kicking) made up for the negatives. Now he's slowed down considerably, his kicking is nowhere near as effective as it used to be and modern AFL footy demands better pressure. Like his predecessor Aussie Jones (who I loved as a player), he's a one-dimensional outside runner with a poorly rounded game. Aussie got away with being ordinary defensively and having no inside game in the past just like Gehrig got away with standing in the goalsquare and only ever moving to make a lead. That's not going to happen in modern footy and Gram costs the team with his poor effort in contests that would have been the norm for outside runners in 2004, but not acceptable in 2012.

So why do all the coaches play him? Do you know more than them or is he just lucky?

Andrew McQualter played the entire 2010 season minus 1 game I think

Of the 20+ games he had about 3 good ones. The decision was defended when we were winning and in 2011 when the results weren't going our away... he was turned on by fans and the coaches alike very quickly despite little change to his actual performance.

The point is that coaches have their views, strategies, ideas for perseverence etc and get paid to make those decisions. Most of the time we don't understand the strategy but that doesn't mean they're always right or that as fans it's stupid of us to question them

Firstly that was one coach and not 3 and secondly they as you said know things that we dont have a clue about. Doent mean they are right but with knowldege probably more righter than guys on here with little or no knowledge. Have no ide who said fans were stupid for questioning it. Did you dream that?

[skeptic]

no, like many others, I've had to endure your constant "the coaches have more info so we shouldn't comment line" on a fan forum.

Annoying isn't it

[Dave McNamara]

Bang for buck...!

I had been assuming Grammy was on ~$400K following his heroics in the (in?)famous 2009 GF. I am now hearing that it's $600K per year. That's getting up into a pretty rarified stratosphere...

Can people confirm/ deny/ confuse these figures??? Ta.

[The Jeff]

Bang for buck...!

I had been assuming Grammy was on ~$400K following his heroics in the (in?)famous 2009 GF. I am now hearing that it's $600K per year. That's getting up into a pretty rarified stratosphere...

Can people confirm/ deny/ confuse these figures??? Ta.

I just threw up in my mouth.

I hope you're wrong.

[plugger66]

no, like many others, I've had to endure your constant "the coaches have more info so we shouldn't comment line" on a fan forum.

Annoying isn't it

No what is annoying is people who dont have a clue. Do you get that when you look in the mirror?

[The Fireman]

Our stars are aging and winding down so mindless threads like this will appear on a regular basis..Déjà vu.

[satchmo]

Our stars are aging and winding down so mindless threads like this will appear on a regular basis..Déjà vu.

Not just the stars, our hacks are aging too !
It's Déjà vu all over again. And again.

[The Fireman]

Our stars are aging and winding down so mindless threads like this will appear on a regular basis..Déjà vu.

Not just the stars, our hacks are aging too !
It's Déjà vu all over again. And again.

John Fogarty?

[satchmo]

Our stars are aging and winding down so mindless threads like this will appear on a regular basis..Déjà vu.

Not just the stars, our hacks are aging too !
It's Déjà vu all over again. And again.

John Fogarty?

You promised that you wouldn't identify me on a public forum!

[defacto]

Bang for buck...!

I had been assuming Grammy was on ~$400K following his heroics in the (in?)famous 2009 GF. I am now hearing that it's $600K per year. That's getting up into a pretty rarified stratosphere...

Can people confirm/ deny/ confuse these figures??? Ta.

600k is the number i have heard as well. no wonder watter is trying everything he can to get 100% out of him.

thank god we are past the worst with our salary cap

[mad saint guy]

no, like many others, I've had to endure your constant "the coaches have more info so we shouldn't comment line" on a fan forum.

Annoying isn't it

The ignore function makes this site so much better

[Teflon]

Bang for buck...!

I had been assuming Grammy was on ~$400K following his heroics in the (in?)famous 2009 GF. I am now hearing that it's $600K per year. That's getting up into a pretty rarified stratosphere...

Can people confirm/ deny/ confuse these figures??? Ta.

600k is the number i have heard as well. no wonder watter is trying everything he can to get 100% out of him.

thank god we are past the worst with our salary cap

who in their right mind would sign Jason Gram to 600k? you have got to be joking.

Heard Brian Cook on radio when Ablett departed denoting the salaries of the Bartels of the world were round 450k with so many accepting less to stay.......

Bartel V Gram.........theres a laugh..

[bergsone]

Bang for buck...!

I had been assuming Grammy was on ~$400K following his heroics in the (in?)famous 2009 GF. I am now hearing that it's $600K per year. That's getting up into a pretty rarified stratosphere...

Can people confirm/ deny/ confuse these figures??? Ta.

600k is the number i have heard as well. no wonder watter is trying everything he can to get 100% out of him.

thank god we are past the worst with our salary cap

who in their right mind would sign Jason Gram to 600k? you have got to be joking.

Heard Brian Cook on radio when Ablett departed denoting the salaries of the Bartels of the world were round 450k with so many accepting less to stay.......

Bartel V Gram.........theres a laugh..

Really that cannot be right,600 surely not

[skeptic]

Firstly that was one coach and not 3 and secondly they as you said know things that we dont have a clue about. Doent mean they are right but with knowldege probably more righter than guys on here with little or no knowledge. Have no ide who said fans were stupid for questioning it. Did you dream that?

lol no one said it was a direct comparison

the point is that there is a strategy there that we don't completely understand

just because we don't completely understand it doesn't mean that the decision is any more correct or incorrect

the bottom line there is no right answer, it's all opinion and perception

you can continue voicing your opinion and ridiculing everyone else for having one "without the facts" on a fan forum

[gringo]

I heard Grammy gets a trillion a year and he eats babies

[plugger66]

Firstly that was one coach and not 3 and secondly they as you said know things that we dont have a clue about. Doent mean they are right but with knowldege probably more righter than guys on here with little or no knowledge. Have no ide who said fans were stupid for questioning it. Did you dream that?

lol no one said it was a direct comparison

the point is that there is a strategy there that we don't completely understand

just because we don't completely understand it doesn't mean that the decision is any more correct or incorrect

the bottom line there is no right answer, it's all opinion and perception

you can continue voicing your opinion and ridiculing everyone else for having one "without the facts" on a fan forum

No I only ridicule, as you call it, people who have no idea and that is proven IMO because Gram gets picked every week by 3 different coaches.