do we need our own signs ?

[gringo]

so I can't make a sign saying "stand in turd"

[defacto]

how about a simple "say no danks to drugs"

[Wrote for Luck]

injections, I've had a few, but then again, too few to mention

[kosifantutti]

We can't afford drugs!

[SainterK]

I don't agree.

He said things like I'm looking forward to having my say etc etc.

It wasn't until he made the front page that he said 'I can't wait until clearing MY name'

Seems to me the only say he can have is his say, and the only name he can clear is his own name. If his name was Scott Watters what would you say?

Those red white and black glasses are showing your irrational bias and complete intolerance of any thing but St Kilda. Very sad!

Scott Watters did his apprenticeship, actually went the path of learning his craft.

He knows what is the 'norm' at AFL club level, because he has actually ensured he is familiar with what goes on at club level in the last decade.

Irregular practices?

Least our coach has an idea of what is regular.

None of this if it was Scott Watters business.

It isn't Scott Watters.

He didn't put papers in front of Saints players, press upon them that they weren't doing anything wrong, admit to 'pushing the boundaries' of what's deemed acceptable.

I don't particularly care if Hird employed Danks or not, you make sure that when YOU ask players to sign idemnity forms to inject things into the body intravenously and via needles, when words like borderline and WADA are used....that YOU'RE encouraging YOUR BOYS to put their trust in someone of good character.

I think Essendon are actually putting together a team and a gameplan to make them a powerhouse of the competition sooner rather than later. Think BJ is an amazing addition to their lineup. They are very strong across every line of their list. They could easily with the premiership this year. How is that for irrational bias?

More the shame that someone in their haste to get to the top, may of completely stuffed that up.

[SainterK]

I don't mind if the supporters stand by their coach.

We would do the same I reckon. Hell knows we have had our share of off field drama in recent times. Very happy its not us for once.

This will come out in the wash. No hiding from this shyte.

Either do I, when it's our home game

[joffaboy]

[matrix]

so hird didnt know what the players were taking plugger????

pull the other one

[stinger]

innocent until proven guilty i say....

[dragit]

innocent until proven guilty i say....

nice one… changed your tune from the Lovett case then… "Not guilty, does not mean innocent"

[Dr Spaceman]

so hird didnt know what the players were taking plugger????

pull the other one

And there's our sign right there

[Dis Believer]

so hird didnt know what the players were taking plugger????

pull the other one

And there's our sign right there

Loving your work Doc.......

[Richter]

With thanks to Tammy Wynette

Stand by Your Hird

Sometimes its hard to be a Bomber
Giving all your love to just one man

You'll have bad juice
And he'll have good juice

Taking things that you don't understand
But if you love him you'll forgive him

Even though he's hard to understand

And if you love him
Oh be proud of him
'Cause after all he's just a Bomber

Stand by your Hird
Give him two veins to cling to
And something warm to come to
When nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your Hird
And tell Andy D you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your Hird
Stand by your Hird
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can

Stand by your man

[stinger]

innocent until proven guilty i say....

nice one… changed your tune from the Lovett case then… "Not guilty, does not mean innocent"

no....not at all..this is entirely different...stand by that comment re lovett......the girl was pissed out of her mind....and asleep....if a jury acquits the prick...well lucky him...doesn't mean that he was innocent.....you can believe what you like.....





in scotland they have an alterative verdict...not proven.......doesn't mean innocent...never has...and never will.....huge gap between proven beyond all reasonable doubt and innocent.......

...anyway...you trying to have a pissing contest with me..??? if you are...i'm not interested.....your preoccupation with posts of mine made years or months ago makes you appear a bit unhinged...imhfo......i would not have noticed you at all if you hadn't been taking the odd pot shot at me...and i certainly can't recall any post of yours older than a couple of days....

[dragit]

innocent until proven guilty i say....

nice one… changed your tune from the Lovett case then… "Not guilty, does not mean innocent"

no....not at all..this is entirely different...stand by that comment re lovett......the girl was pissed out of her mind....and asleep....if a jury acquits the prick...well lucky him...doesn't mean that he was innocent.....you can believe what you like.....





in scotland they have an alterative verdict...not proven.......doesn't mean innocent...never has...and never will.....huge gap between proven beyond all reasonable doubt and innocent.......

...anyway...you trying to have a pissing contest with me..??? if you are...i'm not interested.....your preoccupation with posts of mine made years or months ago makes you appear a bit unhinged...imhfo......i would not have noticed you at all if you hadn't been taking the odd pot shot at me...and i certainly can't recall any post of yours older than a couple of days....

That really hurts that you don't remember my posts stinger.

Im not having a go at you, just find it interesting that with one criminal investigation you can make a call on someone, but with Hird, you will give him full benefit of the doubt & declare him innocent until proven guilty. Why is that?

Don't take everything so personally mate, I remembered your differing stance on a past criminal investigation, no big deal.

I'm not prepared to give golden boy the being it of the doubt because he won a brownlow & everyone says he is a great bloke... In with Con on this, looks to be a blatant attempt to give their players a performance by hiring a guy famous for dodgy practices. The notion that Hird was oblivious to these "high risk "practices is absolute BS.

[evertonfc]

Let's just win the match, get to 2-2, which puts us within reach of them at 3-1.

If we lose, we'll be 1-3, they'll be 4-0.

I refuse to bow to their levels and engage with anything drug-related. Let's show class on the field and in the stands.

[oh when the]

Maybe we can get the #5 pig to run on the ground.

[Enrico_Misso]

See the Bombres shoot up

[Playon]

I reckon he has said many things. He doesnt know what the players were given. he knows what he has taken.

Thats convenient! What about if Watters hires some top notch sports scientists from some NFL clubs in the US and says ok guys - do your best to get the best results for these players and just dont tell me any details of what youre doing.

Are you cool with that approach? If so LETS JUST GO NUTS SAINTS!

According to you as long as the players and coaches dont know the precise details of what they are taking its open the floodgates and JUICE UP. If that approach was allowed every single club would be jumping straight through that loophole with relish.

The Bombers players will all have been briefed to say one thing to asada.

"yes we took injections but it was just amino acids'

They will all stick to this hymn sheet hand hope that asada dont have any +ve tests.

In reality i believe they were taking aod9604. But if all the players say the same thing "amino acids" then they will try and worm their way out of this.

Con you are talking rubbish. Show me one post where I have said anything like that. You are very emotive but not making a lot of sense. And yes i do beleive the players had no idea what they were getting injected with. And I also think ASADA are a little more professional than you give them credit for.

Sorry officer I didn't realize I was speeding. What sort of load of crap world do you live in? I didn't know what I was being injected with. Dream on, are you saying there was 40 odd players THAT stupid?
It will come down to, is it a banned substance YET.

Bombers cheated and they got caught now its a matter of if there's
A `Its a banned substance
B Proof of taking it
C its not a banned substance yet

[plugger66]

Thats convenient! What about if Watters hires some top notch sports scientists from some NFL clubs in the US and says ok guys - do your best to get the best results for these players and just dont tell me any details of what youre doing.

Are you cool with that approach? If so LETS JUST GO NUTS SAINTS!

According to you as long as the players and coaches dont know the precise details of what they are taking its open the floodgates and JUICE UP. If that approach was allowed every single club would be jumping straight through that loophole with relish.

The Bombers players will all have been briefed to say one thing to asada.

"yes we took injections but it was just amino acids'

They will all stick to this hymn sheet hand hope that asada dont have any +ve tests.

In reality i believe they were taking aod9604. But if all the players say the same thing "amino acids" then they will try and worm their way out of this.

Con you are talking rubbish. Show me one post where I have said anything like that. You are very emotive but not making a lot of sense. And yes i do beleive the players had no idea what they were getting injected with. And I also think ASADA are a little more professional than you give them credit for.

Sorry officer I didn't realize I was speeding. What sort of load of crap world do you live in? I didn't know what I was being injected with. Dream on, are you saying there was 40 odd players THAT stupid?
It will come down to, is it a banned substance YET.

Bombers cheated and they got caught now its a matter of if there's
A `Its a banned substance
B Proof of taking it
C its not a banned substance yet

Did I say they shouldnt be penalised if they took something illegal? No but I stand by that they would not have known. Do you think that 40 players would cheat? I dont. They were told it was legal as was the club. Why would they then doubt it. If a player gets pain killing injection, the player doesnt test it first. he trusts the people the club have employed.

[SainterK]

He trusts James Hird, and James Hird trusts Stephen Dank....oh, hang on.

[plugger66]

He trusts James Hird, and James Hird trusts Stephen Dank....oh, hang on.

Who is he? I dont even know James Hird so it cant be me.