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most overrated player in my time of watching footy. He kicked a goal from outside 50... 52meters!!! from a chest mark...and it was a miracle goal?
will he be the only player to kick a goal from outside 50 this weekend?
he started in the middle in the 4th quarter and never touched the ball until the 21m mark of the quarter. Had 17 touches and kicked 2 goals. oh thats right, his touches are worth 2... what a laugh.
I would suggest more to the point
Why didnt we select
Paddy Dangerfield?
31 possesions
4 goals
he,s no Cyril Rioli (who is apparantly better than Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge who've won 8 b&fs between them) but he's ok
BTW
Cyril Rioli
Not in any measue is as good as
Chad Winguard, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters and this year Toby Greene
BigMart wrote:
BTW
Cyril Rioli
Not in any measue is as good as
Chad Winguard, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters and this year Toby Greene
Not in any measure?
Premiership medallions perhaps?
No wonder the Hawks are crap. Not only did they draft him, but they keep playing him in Grand Finals!
You'd think Clarko would have worked it out by now.
BigMart wrote:most overrated player in my time of watching footy. He kicked a goal from outside 50... 52meters!!! from a chest mark...and it was a miracle goal?
will he be the only player to kick a goal from outside 50 this weekend?
he started in the middle in the 4th quarter and never touched the ball until the 21m mark of the quarter. Had 17 touches and kicked 2 goals. oh thats right, his touches are worth 2... what a laugh.
I would suggest more to the point
Why didnt we select
Paddy Dangerfield?
31 possesions
4 goals
he,s no Cyril Rioli (who is apparantly better than Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge who've won 8 b&fs between them) but he's ok
BTW
Cyril Rioli
Not in any measue is as good as
Chad Winguard, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters and this year Toby Greene
Cyril won the game for the Hawks and that's not the only time he has done that. Absolute champion. Game winner.
goes missing for weeks on end.he's good is brilliant, agree with BM would take Betts over him if had the choice right now. Betts has had a very consistent 2 years.
BigMart wrote:most overrated player in my time of watching footy. He kicked a goal from outside 50... 52meters!!! from a chest mark...and it was a miracle goal?
will he be the only player to kick a goal from outside 50 this weekend?
he started in the middle in the 4th quarter and never touched the ball until the 21m mark of the quarter. Had 17 touches and kicked 2 goals. oh thats right, his touches are worth 2... what a laugh.
I would suggest more to the point
Why didnt we select
Paddy Dangerfield?
31 possesions
4 goals
he,s no Cyril Rioli (who is apparantly better than Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge who've won 8 b&fs between them) but he's ok
BTW
Cyril Rioli
Not in any measue is as good as
Chad Winguard, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters and this year Toby Greene
Saint_J wrote:goes missing for weeks on end.he's good is brilliant, agree with BM would take Betts over him if had the choice right now. Betts has had a very consistent 2 years.
Love him or hate him Cyril has shown a pretty consistent knack for being able to produce something when the game is on the line. That has to count for something.
A friend of mine at work calls him the best 5min footballer in the league... Often doesn't do a lot for long patches of games, then in a 5min patch will turn the contest
I think the Hawk's would be pretty happy with him even if he's not a Dangerfield
How the f*** do premiership medals measure an individual's ability? What a moronic comment
Tony Lockett was therefore nowhere as good as 5 time premiership player Jason Dunstall
Gary Ablett senior not as good as Shane Ellen (a 5 goal FF in a gf)
Nick Riewoldt, Lenny Hayes, Sam Fisher not holding a candle to Gunston, Lewis, Birchall yes?!
I think Cyril can thank his lucky stars for being in a team with
Hodge, Franklin, Roughead, Gibson, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Lewis, Birchall,
For being a 4 time premiership play
Do you honestly think if Betts or Winguard wouldn't have won flags at Hawthorn????
On winning the game
I could easily say, the person who won the footy and kicked it to Cyril was as much a matchwinner because without that possession... No victory
Or Burgoyne kicking to clutch goals??
If you didn't realise, a game goes for 120 minutes and 1 possession does not amount to a victory. It was a nice kick, not extraordinary ... Just a goal from 51.
BigMart wrote:How the f*** do premiership medals measure an individual's ability? What a moronic comment
Tony Lockett was therefore nowhere as good as 5 time premiership player Jason Dunstall
Gary Ablett senior not as good as Shane Ellen (a 5 goal FF in a gf)
Nick Riewoldt, Lenny Hayes, Sam Fisher not holding a candle to Gunston, Lewis, Birchall yes?!
I think Cyril can thank his lucky stars for being in a team with
Hodge, Franklin, Roughead, Gibson, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Lewis, Birchall,
For being a 4 time premiership play
Do you honestly think if Betts or Winguard wouldn't have won flags at Hawthorn????
On winning the game
I could easily say, the person who won the footy and kicked it to Cyril was as much a matchwinner because without that possession... No victory
Or Burgoyne kicking to clutch goals??
If you didn't realise, a game goes for 120 minutes and 1 possession does not amount to a victory. It was a nice kick, not extraordinary ... Just a goal from 51.
You should really stop arguing with yourself. You just drag yourself down to your level.
YOU SAID
Cyril Rioli Not in any measue is as good as
Chad Winguard, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters and this year Toby Greene
That is one of the most moronic things you've said this week.
I think what you mean is 'not in any measure that clearly disproves my point'
And BTW, if you are going the straw man argument, why not go all the way and use Mother Teressa, or Bert Newton?
Cyril is one of the most damaging small forwards playing, along with Eddie Betts Wingard and a couple of others, A few years ago we had the most damaging small forward in Milney. We need to find another Milney. I doubt that any we have on the list will get to his standard.
borderbarry wrote:Cyril is one of the most damaging small forwards playing, along with Eddie Betts Wingard and a couple of others, A few years ago we had the most damaging small forward in Milney. We need to find another Milney. I doubt that any we have on the list will get to his standard.
In all fairness, not many on any list will reach his standard. Special player and undersold by many.
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BigMart wrote:most overrated player in my time of watching footy. He kicked a goal from outside 50... 52meters!!! from a chest mark...and it was a miracle goal?
will he be the only player to kick a goal from outside 50 this weekend?
he started in the middle in the 4th quarter and never touched the ball until the 21m mark of the quarter. Had 17 touches and kicked 2 goals. oh thats right, his touches are worth 2... what a laugh.
I would suggest more to the point
Why didnt we select
Paddy Dangerfield?
31 possesions
4 goals
he,s no Cyril Rioli (who is apparantly better than Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge who've won 8 b&fs between them) but he's ok
BTW
Cyril Rioli
Not in any measue is as good as
Chad Winguard, Eddie Betts, Michael Walters and this year Toby Greene
Couldn't agree more.
Amazing commentator bs
You guys are kidding yourselves. Cyril is a star.
You've been hanging on that line with Cyril for years BM. Get over it or actually watch him play other than the twice a year against the saints.
Could win the next 10 norm smiths and you'd still be peddling the same sh1t.
borderbarry wrote:Cyril is one of the most damaging small forwards playing, along with Eddie Betts Wingard and a couple of others, A few years ago we had the most damaging small forward in Milney. We need to find another Milney. I doubt that any we have on the list will get to his standard.
In all fairness, not many on any list will reach his standard. Special player and undersold by many.
One of the main reasons we are still stuck on one flag.
Lots of tricks/ heaps of Docklands goals but GF under-perfomer!
borderbarry wrote:Cyril is one of the most damaging small forwards playing, along with Eddie Betts Wingard and a couple of others, A few years ago we had the most damaging small forward in Milney. We need to find another Milney. I doubt that any we have on the list will get to his standard.
In all fairness, not many on any list will reach his standard. Special player and undersold by many.
One of the main reasons we are still stuck on one flag.
Lots of tricks/ heaps of Docklands goals but GF under-perfomer!
You've obviously got an agenda to lump that on him. His record speaks for itself. If he didn't have the qtr he had in the qualifying final against the Cats in 2010 we wouldn't have even made the grand final.
Dislike him all you like but don't talk crap.
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How many times B&F or top 5???
How many times leading goal kicker
How many 5 goal games
How many 25 possession games
How many best on grounds
How often does he go missing?
Question
Who is a better player
Jack Steven or Cyril Rioli
Is he better than
Gibson (dual B&F)
Burgoyne
Gunston (3 X 50 goals)
Hodge 4 X B&F
Mitchell 4 X B&F
Roughead Coleman medal
Seriously, he's a small forward who touches it 15 times a game and kicks 1.6 goals a game
That is ok, he can be dangerous... But consistently dominant - no
Why is he any better than any other player with similar output?
How many times B&F or top 5???
How many times leading goal kicker
How many 5 goal games
How many 25 possession games
How many best on grounds
How often does he go missing?
Question
Who is a better player
Jack Steven or Cyril Rioli
Is he better than
Gibson (dual B&F)
Burgoyne
Gunston (3 X 50 goals)
Hodge 4 X B&F
Mitchell 4 X B&F
Roughead Coleman medal
Seriously, he's a small forward who touches it 15 times a game and kicks 1.6 goals a game
That is ok, he can be dangerous... But consistently dominant - no
Why is he any better than any other player with similar output?
And please,
Milney kicked 580 goals
BM, aren't you the guy that said to me in the Geary thread that it's wrong to expect all things from all players?
I don't think that anyone on is suggesting that Cyril is consistently better than the players on that list you posted. Cyril's job on Hawthorn's list is to have big moments and turn games for them. You surely cannot argue that he fails at that. He is a match winner and he does things against the momentum of play.
The fact that Hawthorn have the luxury lets say overlooking his weaknesses and capitalising on his strengths doesn't detract from the fact that he does brilliant things. They can also carry a guy like McEvoy as a ruck though he's terrible at it coz others pick up the slack and they benefit from his dropping back to take contested marks.
That's a testament to how good that team is. And in it, Cyril is a match winner
