Trout gone end of Year

[Scollop]

McCartins progression is good and we all know the coaches let him know last year that if he didn't improve his fitness he would not be picked. In a way the research by Trout was inconclusive regarding McCartins diabetes and he dismissed the concern rather than factoring it into the equation

Billings has been woeful throughout his career, but at times it was more to do with coaching and development imo. The coach has compromised integrity of team selection to allow him to regain form at times and also in the hope that JB could potentially be the difference between winning and losing in games. When will we learn that you need a team playing well and not just 1 or 2 individuals.

Both have been given games compared to other youngsters where they perhaps would not have been if they weren't such a high draft pick. I don't disagree with that strategy because when you invest in a high draft pick you have an obligation to provide opportunities. Yes, they may keep improving and they may keep their spots on our list ( or on some other AFL list) but whether they prove to be worthy of their high draft pick is debatable.

[takeaway]

McCartins progression is good and we all know the coaches let him know last year that if he didn't improve his fitness he would not be picked. In a way the research by Trout was inconclusive regarding McCartins diabetes and he dismissed the concern rather than factoring it into the equation

Billings has been woeful throughout his career, but at times it was more to do with coaching and development imo. The coach has compromised integrity of team selection to allow him to regain form at times and also in the hope that JB could potentially be the difference between winning and losing in games. When will we learn that you need a team playing well and not just 1 or 2 individuals.

Both have been given games compared to other youngsters where they perhaps would not have been if they weren't such a high draft pick. I don't disagree with that strategy because when you invest in a high draft pick you have an obligation to provide opportunities. Yes, they may keep improving and they may keep their spots on our list ( or on some other AFL list) but whether they prove to be worthy of their high draft pick is debatable.

Ok we disagree. I think Paddy would be aware if not fit he would not be picked. Trout mentioned his diabetes several times during and after draft night, so I'm pretty sure the concern was not dismissed. "Billings has been woeful throughout his career" - I mean, now you are losing credibility. Both given games compared to other youngsters because of the high pick - rubbish. McCartin has played quite a few games in the 2's when fit enough for firsts, and in my view Billings has always been best 22. He will improve further. We have different views, which will only be decided some years hence.

[saintspremiers]

Good news about Trout.

My mail is there will be changes - but that may involve significant player list changes (I’d call that Captain Obvious stuff!)

[SaintPav]

The Assistant coach thing is fascinating.

Kingsley has been there a while, and moved into a new role this season. 'Transition Coach' or something, that oversees the transition from defence, to mid to attack. He appears to be almost the main man in the box on game days this year.

Playfair is also new. I heard an interview with a player in the pre-season and he said that he'd brought a 'team defence' with him, instead of the 'pressure at the man' defensive strategy we had previously.


And these two are the ones that they're keeping.


It's really interesting, obviously not being on the inner sanctum, to understand how we can go from competitive to pathetic over one pre-season - and the two coaches that are responsible for the biggest factors in that are the only ones that are safe!

Obviously, something in the inner sanctum is going on that we don't understand. And I don't mean that to be a smart arse either. I mean clearly, the club sees something in what these two are bringing to the table that the outside world doesn't see.

Could it be that these tactical changes that these guys have introduced are simply taking time to get right? Could it be like when Lyon took over and we looked like rabble for 18 months whilst we learnt his style - then it clicked and we were a force?


It's very curious.

Always wondered about the last bit. Lyon changed the game plan halfway in 2008 and refined it in 2009.

Freo clicked immediately under Lyon.

[saynta]

Good news about Trout.

My mail is there will be changes - but that may involve significant player list changes (I’d call that Captain Obvious stuff!)

Not with our scant /non existant lower draft picks.

[Scollop]

Ok we disagree. I think Paddy would be aware if not fit he would not be picked. Trout mentioned his diabetes several times during and after draft night, so I'm pretty sure the concern was not dismissed. "Billings has been woeful throughout his career" - I mean, now you are losing credibility. Both given games compared to other youngsters because of the high pick - rubbish. McCartin has played quite a few games in the 2's when fit enough for firsts, and in my view Billings has always been best 22. He will improve further. We have different views, which will only be decided some years hence.

Sorry, my bad. I meant that Billings had been woeful at times 'throughout his career' and not that his whole career has been woeful.

As far as selecting a player when you know that there is a pre existing medical condition, especially when it is an investment in a number 1 draft pick, imo you may as well be dismissing any concern around that condition. I'm not saying that they didn't do any research or didn't understand that there would be some different management protocols required, but I am saying that they dismissed the risk for that player not being able to perform at the highest level when they made their final decision to recruit him. Similar to Collingwood and their decision to select J Stevenson at pick 6 last year.

[takeaway]

Ok we disagree. I think Paddy would be aware if not fit he would not be picked. Trout mentioned his diabetes several times during and after draft night, so I'm pretty sure the concern was not dismissed. "Billings has been woeful throughout his career" - I mean, now you are losing credibility. Both given games compared to other youngsters because of the high pick - rubbish. McCartin has played quite a few games in the 2's when fit enough for firsts, and in my view Billings has always been best 22. He will improve further. We have different views, which will only be decided some years hence.

Sorry, my bad. I meant that Billings had been woeful at times 'throughout his career' and not that his whole career has been woeful.

As far as selecting a player when you know that there is a pre existing medical condition, especially when it is an investment in a number 1 draft pick, imo you may as well be dismissing any concern around that condition. I'm not saying that they didn't do any research or didn't understand that there would be some different management protocols required, but I am saying that they dismissed the risk for that player not being able to perform at the highest level when they made their final decision to recruit him. Similar to Collingwood and their decision to select J Stevenson at pick 6 last year.

Fair enough.

[vacuous space]

Here's how I see this one working out: we sack Trout; he's unemployed for ten minutes before getting hired by a better run club; he continues to draft young talent; we continue to struggle. I don't believe that our struggles relate to an absence of young talent being brought to the club. I think we lack experienced leaders, particularly in the 26-30 age bracket. I think our development of our young players has been questionable. I think the current deployment of our young talent has been questionable. I do not, however, think it is reasonable to axe the recruiter while half your team is young players brought in by that person.

[SaintPav]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Teflon, Parkeysainter etc etc.

[WellardSaint]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Teflon etc etc.

While you're at the footy, your wife is bedding the gardener, or the postman, or a plumber,
or her mechanic, or the butcher...
and in some cases, she gets double-teamed like Paddy;

and you think she buys you a Social Club Membership for you each year, out of devotion?
More fool you

[SaintPav]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Teflon etc etc.

While you're at the footy, your wife is bedding the gardener, or the postman, or a plumber,
or her mechanic, or the butcher...
and in some cases, she gets double-teamed like Paddy;

and you think she buys you a Social Club Membership for you each year, out of devotion?
More fool you

You think that hurts me, eunuch!

How do you know I'm even married.

You're such a eunuch.

Banking executive.

GOLD!!!

[parkeysainter]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

[parkeysainter]

Nothing wrong with overhauls of any department at the Saints. Something needs to happen and it seems Lethlean is on it.

[WellardSaint]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

[realdeal]

Obviously what's happening with Robbo is terrible for him and his family. but for us, not only could we lose a wonderful player at only 26 years of age but doesnt he also have a few children? Father/son..

He's currently on 91 games for us..

[parkeysainter]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

Yep. The stats don't lie.

[SaintPav]

So says the eunuch!

Thanked by the deadshit simpelton and resident bogan from Dandenong.

Choof, choof, choof

Priceless

[SaintPav]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

Yep. The stats don't lie.

That’s what you think, ignoramus.

”We can still make the 8”!

[parkeysainter]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

Yep. The stats don't lie.

That’s what you think.

17 to 7. Pretty clear cut to me and that is without even trying. Told you before...you try tango with The Parkey and you will come off second best! Just ask Con G.

[chico2001]

Only seen Hartung play once or twice, he is cutting a nice position at North Melbourne. Why didnt the saints take him last year, he is pretty quick? The other one is Miles from Richmond who was also going for free and is knocking the door down at Richmond, why didnt we pick him up? Any answers from any posters in the know ?

[SaintPav]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

Yep. The stats don't lie.

That’s what you think.

17 to 7. Pretty clear cut to me and that is without even trying. Told you before...you try tango with The Parkey and you will come off second best! Just ask Con G.

My enemies enemy is my friend, ha!

Ooh, so scary.

Everyone is petrified of Parkeysainter.

Beyoncé has mass appeal than Rachmaninov. So what!

You post more than 50% amongst other sampling errors, not to mention the cognitive biases which I can’t be arsed explaining.

You pick and choose when you want to bag the club but no one else can.

Christ, you’re fkn deluded.

[parkeysainter]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

Yep. The stats don't lie.

That’s what you think.

17 to 7. Pretty clear cut to me and that is without even trying. Told you before...you try tango with The Parkey and you will come off second best! Just ask Con G.

My enemies enemy is my friend, ha!

Ooh, so scary.

Everyone is petrified of Parkeysainter.

Beyoncé has mass appeal than Rachmaninov. So what!

You post more than 50% amongst other sampling errors, not to mention the cognitive biases which I can’t be arsed explaining.

You pick and choose when you want to bag the club but no one else can.

Christ, you’re fkn deluded.

17-7.

[chico2001]

Roo was frustrated with the passes over his head and at his ankles 3/4 times a game, that is why he should have kicked at least 100 more goals in his career and maybe got a flag. I wont support AFL players who cant kick 30-40 metres with reasonable accuracy, one of the current mobs biggest issues and directly related to recruiting bar Goddard and Montagna and a couple of others over the years.

[Impatient Sainter]

My mail is that Trout Elshaug is gone end of year. His contract wont be renewed.
Recruiting dept overhaul and possiblt coaching changes in football dept. Kingsley and Playfair to stay others are fair game for change.
In AFL medical circles Roberton condition potentially high risk to keep playing his career could be over. Would be a massive loss for us.

Trout must be due to retire in any event.

Kingsley has been at the club too long and is propping Richo up, I hope they all go!

[Con Gorozidis]

Club needs to be ruthless. Cull a minimum of 20% of the list and coaching staff.

Mods need to do the same.

Cull all the dead s*** simpletons on here like WellardSaint, Con Gorozidis, Parkeysainter etc etc.

Lol. Even Bernie would have come up with something better and he's dead!
Says alot about the Pavalator.

Parkey, you've been thanked 17 times,
but the deadbeat Pav got only 7-
I wonder who should be culled?
Not you...
Anyways, his 7 are
-the butcher, the mechanic, etc etc, who thanked him for staying at the footy so they could
each go a second time on his missus

Yep. The stats don't lie.

That’s what you think.

17 to 7. Pretty clear cut to me and that is without even trying. Told you before...you try tango with The Parkey and you will come off second best! Just ask Con G.

Ask away.

Tangling with Parkey is like arguing about with a sack of potatoes. Pointless due to the plain stupidity of the opponent.

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.