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And if anyone has actually seen Lever play this year would laugh at the suggestion that he could be a factor in 2013.... He need to play a reasonable game in the thirds first
CURLY wrote:Pyke and Mumford are hardly your mobile forward types people are screaming for. I see no reason why Ben can't have runs as a deep forward.
Maybe because Ben can't run.
As soon as the ball hits the ground his opponent would be runnnig off him creating the loose man for an easy exit out of defence.
Ben has less run and forward pressure in him than Kosi, and Kosi has zero.
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BigMart wrote:Nathan Vardy, Matty Kruzer, Charlie Dixon, Nick Natinui, Mat Luenberger, Patty Ryder, Roughead, Tyrone Vickery...
Must all be wasted by their coaches then??!!
If I had a 200cm Athletic player at my disposal, I'd be very disappointed if he couldn't relieve the #1 Ruckman for 5-10 minutes a qtr.... And get some cheap kicks in the process... And the thing is, he actually wins hit outs!!
Another fact
Cannot have two lumbering Ruckman only players in the 22, due to the need for an extra to rotate, so the #2 has to be able to play minutes in the ruck, with a primary role elsewhere....
This year
Blake, Kosi, Stanley, Wilkes all had time in this role....
Vardy willl not I repeat will not be used as a first ruck. He is being groomed as a CHF and in the words of Neil Balm is to valuable commodity to be plonked in the ruck.
As for the lumbering ruck thing what about Pyke and Mumford? Ottens and King? Ottens and Blake? Renouf and Campbell?
BigMart wrote:Nathan Vardy, Matty Kruzer, Charlie Dixon, Nick Natinui, Mat Luenberger, Patty Ryder, Roughead, Tyrone Vickery...
Must all be wasted by their coaches then??!!
If I had a 200cm Athletic player at my disposal, I'd be very disappointed if he couldn't relieve the #1 Ruckman for 5-10 minutes a qtr.... And get some cheap kicks in the process... And the thing is, he actually wins hit outs!!
Another fact
Cannot have two lumbering Ruckman only players in the 22, due to the need for an extra to rotate, so the #2 has to be able to play minutes in the ruck, with a primary role elsewhere....
This year
Blake, Kosi, Stanley, Wilkes all had time in this role....
Vardy willl not I repeat will not be used as a first ruck. He is being groomed as a CHF and in the words of Neil Balm is to valuable commodity to be plonked in the ruck.
As for the lumbering ruck thing what about Pyke and Mumford? Ottens and King? Ottens and Blake? Renouf and Campbell?
CURLY wrote:Pyke and Mumford are hardly your mobile forward types people are screaming for. I see no reason why Ben can't have runs as a deep forward.
Maybe because Ben can't run.
As soon as the ball hits the ground his opponent would be runnnig off him creating the loose man for an easy exit out of defence.
Ben has less run and forward pressure in him than Kosi, and Kosi has zero.
Ben is there to lead and and make a contest. Milne, Saad, Milera, Sneider and so on are there to keep the ball in. Id prefer a ruckman that can take a contested mark but is perhaps a tad slow to a mobile ruckman that cant mark like Goldstein.
As for the lumbering ruck thing what about Pyke and Mumford? Ottens and King? Ottens and Blake? Renouf and Campbell?
Pre-sub days
Swans won the GF two weeks ago.
Pyke is not as one dimensional as the classic ruckman. Nor was Ottens for that matter. It also has to be factored in to the other members of the forward line. Sydney have a pretty fast mobile forward line, so having a less mobile ruckman drop in won't be nearly as detrimental as having a ruckman drop into a forward line of Riewoldt Kosi/Wilkes.
Every element of the team has to work in tandem. You can't accurately compare two teams ruck stocks in isolation from the rest of their team, that won't work.
Pyke is not as one dimensional as the classic ruckman. Nor was Ottens for that matter. It also has to be factored in to the other members of the forward line. Sydney have a pretty fast mobile forward line, so having a less mobile ruckman drop in won't be nearly as detrimental as having a ruckman drop into a forward line of Riewoldt Kosi/Wilkes.
Every element of the team has to work in tandem. You can't accurately compare two teams ruck stocks in isolation from the rest of their team, that won't work.
I understand what your saying but it has been shown that you need two true rucks. I know Stanley can ruck as the club obviously do but he is far to valuable to be thrown in the ruck for extended periods. Geelong want Vardy as a CHF and to stay there as they know how hard it is to get players like him.
I mentioned Jay Lever in this thread BECAUSE he is tall and he is on our list. That is what I thought the thread was about. Silly me. Got it wrong again !!
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I mentioned Jay Lever in this thread BECAUSE he is tall and he is on our list. That is what I thought the thread was about. Silly me. Got it wrong again !!
No probs at all Eastern. I got what you were saying, as did most others.
Unfortunately at least one poster had a BIG misunderstanding of it
Would think Saints will draft more talls still as Kosi gone next year would think Wilkes will only last next year if Lee comes on they will upgrade Ferguson from Rookie .
Siposs will be the swingman going forward / back .
Expect Saints to draft Jaksch or Membrey if available too they need to reduce the Riewoldt work load expect him
to play deep forward next 2 years to save his body.
