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LTN16 wrote:I hope we draft some indigenous boys in this years draft and get the X man back to the saints as a development coach for them. We are lacking indigenous flair, would love us to find another Steven Motlop type player in the draft.
Why?
Why not some white boys with flair?
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You are a disgrace. Go cheer with the Pies or Dogs fans they don't mind that kind of backwards thinking.
Con Gorozidis wrote:Not sure id narrow it down to indigenous... Id just say we haven't had a good run with our players/recruitment recently full stop.
All the other clubs seem to be going ok on the indig front despite the 'Matt Rendell controversy'.
Of course some wont make it. But the majority of white blokes dont make it either. Yet it seems when an indig bloke doesnt make it its cos hes indig. Probably just not quite good enough (with the exception of Liam Jurrah who was good enough - but where indig issues have certainly played a part). I think one thing is not to lump them in all together. Most indig kids are just regular city kids who probably know bugger all about their culture and the old ways etc and then you get a few like Liam that are seriously really living the full bush lifestyle.
But overall - if you look at the top 5 sides - then indig footy is still healthy, alive and well at AFL level.
Speaking of - Border Barry - have you heard anything about Ross T at Albury?
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Yeah I'm not sure what indigenous has got to do with it. That is a very strange comment by Sainter K. Maybe she could elaborate.
Elaboration on her constant backhanders towards Pelchen would also be helpful. Just hard to understand as the comments are cryptic and lacking detail.
older saint wrote:Forget the race look at where they were drafted. X clarke injuries ruined career, R Clarke solid career after early problems with epilepsy really smashed him, Milera a mature aged recruit always a gamble, Tut rookie listed player, Winmar really the main disappointment of that group. Race irrelevant in this situation more an average player with attacking skills and poor defensive skills , which can be covered in a top side but not a bottom side.
Love if both Adelaide clubs wanted him - bidding war - reality maybe mature rookie or SANFL
Exactly. I find it amazing that the dysfunctional ones are aboriginal but you don't get constant references to guys like Franklin or Johnny Patton's aboriginal heritage. Aboriginal players percentage is very high in the AFL compared to the percentage in general society. An anglo aussie is probably statistically less likely to make 50 AFL games than an indigenous guy is the irony but no one pulls out a pencil and writes it in a ledger based on the players race.
Waltzing St Kilda wrote:Thought he had flair, which is something the team needs. Thought he was underappreciated. Will probably star at Port. Surprised at some of the vitriol here.
SainterK wrote:I think he's suited to slingshot footy...he and Matty White, set play, running forward of the ball
Not a bad assessment. Its not real easy for a small fwd the way we have played the last 2 years. Worth considering when judging Tez.
Usually comes in rarely, slowly and haphazardly. Its a small fwds graveyard. Eli did ok in the first two games when we had faster fwd entry. I dare say had he not been injured he might have found things dried up and became much much tougher after that.
LTN16 wrote:I hope we draft some indigenous boys in this years draft and get the X man back to the saints as a development coach for them. We are lacking indigenous flair, would love us to find another Steven Motlop type player in the draft.
Why?
Why not some white boys with flair?
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You are a disgrace. Go cheer with the Pies or Dogs fans they don't mind that kind of backwards thinking.
Why is it backwards?
My initial post highlights multiple issues:
1. People enjoy jumping on the idea of racism and getting all high and mighty.
2. Why continue to do something that is not working?
3. Our Indigenous picks don't work and Milera is another example of it not working. If draft picks are finite, why commit to hail mary plays just because it warms the soul that we take on some Indigenous projects? Why not do what works more often compared to socially-responsible nonsense.
4. Waylen Manson highlighted what most thought anyway
"Milera is contracted until the end of 2015 but St Kilda will support his interest in returning to South Australia subject to a satisfactory trade being completed"
He'll probably end up at Port for pick 75
Our 3rd and Milera for their 2nd wouldn't be a bad result
Whether he's white back or yellow he's just not AFL standard imo.
Good luck to him if he gets another chance but I wouldn't be surprised to see him spending the majority of the year in the sanfl.
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LTN16 wrote:I hope we draft some indigenous boys in this years draft and get the X man back to the saints as a development coach for them. We are lacking indigenous flair, would love us to find another Steven Motlop type player in the draft.
Why?
Why not some white boys with flair?
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You are a disgrace. Go cheer with the Pies or Dogs fans they don't mind that kind of backwards thinking.
SaintWodonga wrote:It's a shame, but we now must draft some pace and players that can hit a target.
Maybe some players who can get there hands on the ball would help too.
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SainterK wrote:Beg your pardon Cairnsman, I said no such thing
Pretty certain there was a post by you, one or two before Con's first post that is also is a direct response to you claiming the club doesn't have a good track record with indigenous players. Why did you delete it?
SainterK wrote:Beg your pardon Cairnsman, I said no such thing
Pretty certain there was a post by you, one or two before Con's first post that is also is a direct response to you claiming the club doesn't have a good track record with indigenous players. Why did you delete it?
Well you should be certain, not "pretty" certain when you claim I'd say such a thing.
SainterK wrote:Beg your pardon Cairnsman, I said no such thing
Pretty certain there was a post by you, one or two before Con's first post that is also is a direct response to you claiming the club doesn't have a good track record with indigenous players. Why did you delete it?
Well you should be certain, not "pretty" certain when you claim I'd say such a thing.
I deleted nothing.
I said no such thing.
Then I'm certain and you are liar...who would have ever thought!
SainterK wrote:Beg your pardon Cairnsman, I said no such thing
Pretty certain there was a post by you, one or two before Con's first post that is also is a direct response to you claiming the club doesn't have a good track record with indigenous players. Why did you delete it?
Well you should be certain, not "pretty" certain when you claim I'd say such a thing.
I deleted nothing.
I said no such thing.
Then I'm certain and you are liar...who would have ever thought!
Someone said it, on this thread...I recall reading it too.
SainterK wrote:Beg your pardon Cairnsman, I said no such thing
Pretty certain there was a post by you, one or two before Con's first post that is also is a direct response to you claiming the club doesn't have a good track record with indigenous players. Why did you delete it?
Well you should be certain, not "pretty" certain when you claim I'd say such a thing.
I deleted nothing.
I said no such thing.
Then I'm certain and you are liar...who would have ever thought!
Someone said it, on this thread...I recall reading it too.
Just not me.
I find your little witch hunt amusing though.
Whatever floats your boat.
strange you didn't mention that straight up and strange you feel my comments are part of a witch hunt.
Anyway suffice to say who ever said it was making an incorrect statement IMO because you could argue the club doesn't have a good track record with numerous players from our past and not just indigenous players. Was an irrelevant point to make.
Glad you were amused. ..it makes coming here worthwhile.
