What about the Ruck?

[bigcarl]

Malthouse wrote a good article this weekend about ruckmen and their influence

Yes I read that. He said we have uncovered a gem in Marshall, and I agree.

I don’t think we can bring in Longer as first ruck on the basis of him being a useful tap ruckman who contributes little else.

It would mean that if we need to drop a ruckman, Marshall - as second ruck - would be the man in the gun.

That would be ludicrous.

I think that when Carlisle comes back, he and Marshall should share ruck duties and that would give use one of the best ruck divisions in the competition.

The only spot I can find for Longer at the moment, is second ruck. In other words, if it’s between he and Marshall, he is first dropped.

But even that begs the question, what do you do with Longer when he is not competing at the rucks contests.

He just doesn’t win enough of the pill

[Trixilver]

Everyone should know by now how much hitouts are overrated. Just watch any stoppage and you'll see it's just a contested mess, only when the midfield is completely unmarked will a clean hitout ever go anywhere. That happens maybe twice a game.

[Scollop]

There's another element to this - and I'd be interested to hear what the ruck experts out there think. When you're playing a 'help out your mates', team-style of footy - which is what it looks like to me when I see Lonie on the half-back flank and players with the courage to leave their man and help out when needed - is there actually something to be said for having random players (e.g., Long on Saturday) pinch-hit in the ruck? Does it actually help build that camaraderie and sense that they're all in it together?

The back 6 players leave their man because it's called zoning. You guard space and look to take intercept marks more than actually trying to defend one on one

[takeaway]

Malthouse wrote a good article this weekend about ruckmen and their influence

Yes I read that. He said we have uncovered a gem in Marshall, and I agree.

I don’t think we can bring in Longer as first ruck on the basis of him being a useful tap ruckman who contributes little else.

It would mean that if we need to drop a ruckman, Marshall - as second ruck - would be the man in the gun.

That would be ludicrous.

I think that when Carlisle comes back, he and Marshall should share ruck duties and that would give use one of the best ruck divisions in the competition.

The only spot I can find for Longer at the moment, is second ruck. In other words, if it’s between he and Marshall, he is first dropped.

But even that begs the question, what do you do with Longer when he is not competing at the rucks contests.

He just doesn’t win enough of the pill

Carlisle is very unlikely to play in the ruck after a back injury, not suited to the ruck anyway imo, and apparently not keen to do so.

[Scollop]

Malthouse wrote a good article this weekend about ruckmen and their influence

Yes I read that. He said we have uncovered a gem in Marshall, and I agree.

I don’t think we can bring in Longer as first ruck on the basis of him being a useful tap ruckman who contributes little else.

It would mean that if we need to drop a ruckman, Marshall - as second ruck - would be the man in the gun.

That would be ludicrous.

I think that when Carlisle comes back, he and Marshall should share ruck duties and that would give use one of the best ruck divisions in the competition.

The only spot I can find for Longer at the moment, is second ruck. In other words, if it’s between he and Marshall, he is first dropped.

But even that begs the question, what do you do with Longer when he is not competing at the rucks contests.

He just doesn’t win enough of the pill

Carlisle is very unlikely to play in the ruck after a back injury, not suited to the ruck anyway imo, and apparently not keen to do so.

Terrible attitude if that is the case. I remember how petulant he was at times when his former coaches at Essendon wanted him to play in the forward line, or during that difficult period when they kept losing due to the distractions from the drugs saga and also the soft tissue injuries from piling on muscle mass in too short a time period

Needs to be a team player and just play where ever his coaches instruct him to play

[bigcarl]

Malthouse wrote a good article this weekend about ruckmen and their influence

Yes I read that. He said we have uncovered a gem in Marshall, and I agree.

I don’t think we can bring in Longer as first ruck on the basis of him being a useful tap ruckman who contributes little else.

It would mean that if we need to drop a ruckman, Marshall - as second ruck - would be the man in the gun.

That would be ludicrous.

I think that when Carlisle comes back, he and Marshall should share ruck duties and that would give use one of the best ruck divisions in the competition.

The only spot I can find for Longer at the moment, is second ruck. In other words, if it’s between he and Marshall, he is first dropped.

But even that begs the question, what do you do with Longer when he is not competing at the rucks contests.

He just doesn’t win enough of the pill

Carlisle is very unlikely to play in the ruck after a back injury, not suited to the ruck anyway imo, and apparently not keen to do so.

Terrible attitude if that is the case. I remember how petulant he was at times when his former coaches at Essendon wanted him to play in the forward line, or during that difficult period when they kept losing due to the distractions from the drugs saga and also the soft tissue injuries from piling on muscle mass in too short a time period

Needs to be a team player and just play where ever his coaches instruct him to play

Exactly. If he’s fit enough to play football he’ll be fit enough to ruck.

[skeptic]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

[HighettMan]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

[remboy]

There's also the question of what do we do if Marshall gets injured? At this stage it looks like Pierce will go at the end of the season and Longer would be 50-50.

[older saint]

I would think both gone.

Need to look at an options for the next 2-3 years , perhaps why thinking Goldstein in free agency. Hopefully by then a combination of Marshall and King could be an extremely damaging ruck / forward combination in 2022

[remboy]

I would think both gone.

Need to look at an options for the next 2-3 years , perhaps why thinking Goldstein in free agency. Hopefully by then a combination of Marshall and King could be an extremely damaging ruck / forward combination in 2022

Makes sense. Long won't be ready to be even a second ruck for a few years so Goldstein could be an option, as long as he's happy to spend time in the two's.

[older saint]

I would think both gone.

Need to look at an options for the next 2-3 years , perhaps why thinking Goldstein in free agency. Hopefully by then a combination of Marshall and King could be an extremely damaging ruck / forward combination in 2022

Makes sense. Long won't be ready to be even a second ruck for a few years so Goldstein could be an option, as long as he's happy to spend time in the two's.

Guessing you mean King Although the ruck Acres has to play who knows HAHAHA

[skeptic]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

lol... look up the word context.

no surprises that you've missed it again. I now understand why you insist on posts being small...

[HighettMan]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

lol... look up the word context.

no surprises that you've missed it again. I now understand why you insist on posts being small...

LoL! Stop being so factual and deep with your analysis so I can comprehend the context. LoL!

[skeptic]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

lol... look up the word context.

no surprises that you've missed it again. I now understand why you insist on posts being small...

LoL! Stop being so factual and deep with your analysis so I can comprehend the context. LoL!

Hahaha... the defensive tone.

Poor guy, you really didn't see yesterday coming did you. I mean I thought we'd win but wasn't surprised we lost. You repeatedly posted it was an absolute certainty. Long way to come down I guess

[HighettMan]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

lol... look up the word context.

no surprises that you've missed it again. I now understand why you insist on posts being small...

LoL! Stop being so factual and deep with your analysis so I can comprehend the context. LoL!

Hahaha... the defensive tone.

Poor guy, you really didn't see yesterday coming did you. I mean I thought we'd win but wasn't surprised we lost. You repeatedly posted it was an absolute certainty. Long way to come down I guess

I don't think I've ever seen you bask in a victory, you always go missing, but you appear like sunshine after a loss. Strange. Have you ever considered changing your nic to paranoid? LoL.

[skeptic]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

lol... look up the word context.

no surprises that you've missed it again. I now understand why you insist on posts being small...

LoL! Stop being so factual and deep with your analysis so I can comprehend the context. LoL!

Hahaha... the defensive tone.

Poor guy, you really didn't see yesterday coming did you. I mean I thought we'd win but wasn't surprised we lost. You repeatedly posted it was an absolute certainty. Long way to come down I guess

I don't think I've ever seen you bask in a victory, you always go missing, but you appear like sunshine after a loss. Strange. Have you ever considered changing your nic to paranoid? LoL.

I'm here all the time... unlike yourself when you disappeared post the Port game
I just wasn't prepared to extend Richo's contract again and book my finals tickets after the 4 point win against Goldcoast and the thirteen point thriller against Carlton.

Forgive for not basking in the glory and declaring that we're building something special here based on those performances

[HighettMan]

Bump.

No doubt Roma is the best ruck prospect we’ve had in years... really like the kid.

Are we still arguing that he doesn’t need help.

You don't have to be a lolly pop operator to work out he needed help yesterday but putting another dedicated ruckman in that side yesterday would have made the losing margin even greater. We needed grunt at the ground level. Did you watch the game or did you just look up the hit out stats.

lol... look up the word context.

no surprises that you've missed it again. I now understand why you insist on posts being small...

LoL! Stop being so factual and deep with your analysis so I can comprehend the context. LoL!

Hahaha... the defensive tone.

Poor guy, you really didn't see yesterday coming did you. I mean I thought we'd win but wasn't surprised we lost. You repeatedly posted it was an absolute certainty. Long way to come down I guess

I don't think I've ever seen you bask in a victory, you always go missing, but you appear like sunshine after a loss. Strange. Have you ever considered changing your nic to paranoid? LoL.

I'm here all the time... unlike yourself when you disappeared post the Port game
I just wasn't prepared to extend Richo's contract again and book my finals tickets after the 4 point win against Goldcoast and the thirteen point thriller against Carlton.

Forgive for not basking in the glory and declaring that we're building something special here based on those performances

Sounds good Sunshine

[remboy]

I would think both gone.

Need to look at an options for the next 2-3 years , perhaps why thinking Goldstein in free agency. Hopefully by then a combination of Marshall and King could be an extremely damaging ruck / forward combination in 2022

Makes sense. Long won't be ready to be even a second ruck for a few years so Goldstein could be an option, as long as he's happy to spend time in the two's.

Guessing you mean King Although the ruck Acres has to play who knows HAHAHA

Whoever invented Auto correct should be shot. But maybe Long will have a growth spurt over the summer lol.