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Personally, I think the only options are:bigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 6:30pmI’d rather we not bend over for anyone. Prefer the club to be respected and not pushoversBarryGrogan wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 6:19pmIt's an interesting point.Moods wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 4:07pm
GT talks about the umpires putting their egos in their back pocket. Maybe he should have taken his own advice. He represented the SKFC not himself. Makes us all warm and fuzzy that he stuck it to City Hall but where did it get us? How did it help StKilda? For mine it shows how dumb GT was and what an egomaniac he was/is.
What's to gain by fighting with the AFL? It feels good, but it's kind of like telling your boss to f*** off. In the long run, is it really going to help? Or hinder you?
As a supporter, would you rather a club that is 'sticking up for itself' whilst being rodgered at every turn for for being insolent?
Or a club that bends over and cops it - but isn't on the receiving end of the AFL's vindictiveness?
For mine it showed a distinct lack of intelligence and awareness. How did GT think the AFL were going to respond and especially the umpires, when he attacks them personally? Not saying that this excuses the umpires but bloody hell, 3 x weeks out from finals and he picks a war with the AFL? He is not an unintelligent guy so it really was one of the most selfish things that he could do - akin to morons running on the field after Gehrig kicked his 100th in the prelim.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 6:19pmIt's an interesting point.Moods wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 4:07pm
GT talks about the umpires putting their egos in their back pocket. Maybe he should have taken his own advice. He represented the SKFC not himself. Makes us all warm and fuzzy that he stuck it to City Hall but where did it get us? How did it help StKilda? For mine it shows how dumb GT was and what an egomaniac he was/is.
What's to gain by fighting with the AFL? It feels good, but it's kind of like telling your boss to f*** off. In the long run, is it really going to help? Or hinder you?
As a supporter, would you rather a club that is 'sticking up for itself' whilst being rodgered at every turn for for being insolent?
Or a club that bends over and cops it - but isn't on the receiving end of the AFL's vindictiveness?
bigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 3:55am Listen to | Grant Thomas - Saint or Sinner? from SACKED in Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/s ... 9dc335577f
Really worth a listen
Talks about the 2004-2005 preliminary final losses. Says he could have responded better at three quarter time in 2005 after Hall’s hit on Maguire.
Says Sirengate cost us the double chance that year. The club had QCs lined up saying we had a case, but then didn’t want to pursue it.
Tips a bucket on Demetriou. Suggests that, at best, the then AFL CEO had a complete lack of respect for our club.
Is coy about Buttress, but says a meeting at the end of 2003 after he and the players returned from London was the tipping point in their relationship.
Talks about his sacking and how it unfolded.
Says he backed Blight to the hilt in his role as football director and was literally the last to know of plans to remove him.
Nominates the best mark he’s seen, Riewoldt against Sydney in 2004. Also lauds the courage of Lenny, Kosi, Jason Blake, Baker and others.
Talks about St Kilda’s culture over 150 years and what we need to do to achieve success.
Laments where the club is at.
Anyhow, great interview, runs about 45 minutes
Thanks for the link was very interesting,what an insight
You pick your battles. That's how the war is won.
Cheers for the link,love him or hate him the one thing he’s right about ,our time is now to be bolder than everGreg T wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 7:43pmbigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 3:55am Listen to | Grant Thomas - Saint or Sinner? from SACKED in Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/s ... 9dc335577f
Really worth a listen
Talks about the 2004-2005 preliminary final losses. Says he could have responded better at three quarter time in 2005 after Hall’s hit on Maguire.
Says Sirengate cost us the double chance that year. The club had QCs lined up saying we had a case, but then didn’t want to pursue it.
Tips a bucket on Demetriou. Suggests that, at best, the then AFL CEO had a complete lack of respect for our club.
Is coy about Buttress, but says a meeting at the end of 2003 after he and the players returned from London was the tipping point in their relationship.
Talks about his sacking and how it unfolded.
Says he backed Blight to the hilt in his role as football director and was literally the last to know of plans to remove him.
Nominates the best mark he’s seen, Riewoldt against Sydney in 2004. Also lauds the courage of Lenny, Kosi, Jason Blake, Baker and others.
Talks about St Kilda’s culture over 150 years and what we need to do to achieve success.
Laments where the club is at.
Anyhow, great interview, runs about 45 minutes
Thanks for the link was very interesting,what an insight
That's rubbish. St Kilda are crap for a whole range of reasons, not because we don't challenge the AFL at every turn. There's such a thing as a person who's a perpetual victim as well. They believe they're standing up for themselves, but everyone else just sees them as a whiner.
I don't actually agree with any of that.
I think it's the art of war B.M.. Pick your battles, win the war. Park the ego, look at the here and now, what needs resources and what is a distraction not needed all with an eye on the future.
Thisdesertsaint wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 8:58pm For all his knockers just think what we were and what we achieved under gt.
From woodenspooners to legitimate and exciting contenders. Sure we had some top picks but so have the deed, blues, and suns. Most of our group were lower rungs and trades. And before they’d got near their peak he took them to 2 prelims.
Lyon had the likes of roo, Goddard, Hayes, Joey, chips, Baker, Milney et al over their prime football ages. It was GT’s team. But where gt played youth Ross left the likes of Steven and Armo stewing in the seconds.
I’d give anything to have another gt right now. Surely we all would.
So we'd be really good with McEvoy, Stanley and Dal Santo and Lynch?B.M wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 10:24pm We shouldn’t have down traded picks 12 & 13 if we were going to let go a star, why would you let go an elite, then downgrade the pick you get, to make it harder to replace 5he talent?! Recruiting madness.
We shouldn’t have downtraded pick 20
We should have definitely kept Ben McEvoy, and possibly Stanley.
Because we let go those two ruckmen about to come into their prime, we had to give away our Da Santo compensation p25 for Billy Longer. Now there is a monumental stuff up.
We should have tried to hang on to Lynch, after 3 years of development, poor dev it must be said. But convince him a new coach will give him opportunities, or 5hey didn’t rate him, which was a mistake
We should have taken best available in 2014 and not worry about the impending retirement of Nick, or the Tom Boyd contract.
Going back further
Pattison, Polo, Gamble, J.Smith
Winmar, Johnson
Good points by both of you IMO. GT was a clutz for sure, and I wonder if he took too much interest in putting a spanner in the works sometimes, but pushing back against City Hall is pretty handy. Ask Eddie McQuire. Altho Eddie loses it for other reasons, he's no slouch when it comes to being the everoily smile with an agenda when it comes to Collingwood. He gets in there and pushes plenty of buttons and sometimes I think he is very effective. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) GT doesn't have that political-friendly-speak like orange cordial in measured cups (despite his soft "gentle giant" voice modulation) . Whilst Eddie can be sharp like a drill in a velvet sock, Thommo comes on like a bulldozer painted in pink psychedelica camo.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 6:19pmIt's an interesting point.Moods wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 4:07pm
GT talks about the umpires putting their egos in their back pocket. Maybe he should have taken his own advice. He represented the SKFC not himself. Makes us all warm and fuzzy that he stuck it to City Hall but where did it get us? How did it help StKilda? For mine it shows how dumb GT was and what an egomaniac he was/is.
What's to gain by fighting with the AFL? It feels good, but it's kind of like telling your boss to f*** off. In the long run, is it really going to help? Or hinder you?
As a supporter, would you rather a club that is 'sticking up for itself' whilst being rodgered at every turn for for being insolent?
Or a club that bends over and cops it - but isn't on the receiving end of the AFL's vindictiveness?
Why would I listen to a half assed attempt to revwrite history in his own image????Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 3:14pmHave you listened to the podcast Teflon? Or are you just grabbing a headline here and there and adding your own dislike of Grant Thomas.Teflon wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 9:56amExactly the questionGhost Like wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 8:53am Interesting he drags McGuire's name into it. Perhaps we can hear from Parker, McGuire, Buttress, Blight. Forget Demetriou, too many skeletons in that man's closet, makes Thommo look like an amateur.
Question has to be asked, why bring this up now? What or whose purpose does this serve?
Part 2 today and it’s all “I was footy Director but was last to know they (nasty Rod Butters and faceless men..) were going to sack Blighty (I love Blighty btw) and appoint me!!
Oh shock horror.....I was gobsmacked!!!
Honestly ANYONE who believes this career apologist and flog ought to have their head read. Never read a bigger load of revisionist BS in my life ....but again you ask: why now???
Old rent a headline Thomas.....always happy t drag and sir Saints dirty linen in public to make himself look good.
Guys a disgrace to the club - just **** off.
I highly recommend every died-in-the-wool Saint listens to this podcast. For one, you will learn more about the workings of the StKFC than you spent reading the machinations of posters on Saintsational.
As Molly would say, "do yourself a favour".
I sense that he is not your favourite, TeffersTeflon wrote: ↑Tue 16 Jul 2019 12:30amWhy would I listen to a half assed attempt to revwrite history in his own image????Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 3:14pmHave you listened to the podcast Teflon? Or are you just grabbing a headline here and there and adding your own dislike of Grant Thomas.Teflon wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 9:56amExactly the questionGhost Like wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 8:53am Interesting he drags McGuire's name into it. Perhaps we can hear from Parker, McGuire, Buttress, Blight. Forget Demetriou, too many skeletons in that man's closet, makes Thommo look like an amateur.
Question has to be asked, why bring this up now? What or whose purpose does this serve?
Part 2 today and it’s all “I was footy Director but was last to know they (nasty Rod Butters and faceless men..) were going to sack Blighty (I love Blighty btw) and appoint me!!
Oh shock horror.....I was gobsmacked!!!
Honestly ANYONE who believes this career apologist and flog ought to have their head read. Never read a bigger load of revisionist BS in my life ....but again you ask: why now???
Old rent a headline Thomas.....always happy t drag and sir Saints dirty linen in public to make himself look good.
Guys a disgrace to the club - just **** off.
I highly recommend every died-in-the-wool Saint listens to this podcast. For one, you will learn more about the workings of the StKFC than you spent reading the machinations of posters on Saintsational.
As Molly would say, "do yourself a favour".
I KNOW all I need to know about good ole GT when I asked him point blank if he’d step aside as interim coach (what he was meant to be) only to be told by this buffoon that there was no one better qualified.....let’s be clear the guys AFL coaching credentials extended to Warrnambool FFS .
I get some on here fall over themselves when GT spin makes them feel like he’s “fighting for the Saints”.... all I see is a failed AFL has been who couldn’t get a job after he left us (other clubs know unlike many brainwashed on here). I see a bloke , doing it again this week in papers/podcasts, who for the sake of a headline to get some sort of relevance back in footy circles, who is prepared to drag our club and it’s pathetic history back through the ringer again to spin a story that has “I was just the victim in all this” written all over it.
Sorry I don’t buy the 80s corporate BS this snake oil salesman peddles.
Well not entirely, some of our best were at the club prior to GT. Be interesting looking back had Ross got the job first? Armo took a long time to come good, and Jack Steven could have been a master stroke in 09. He was given license to run around and create havoc, and in such a well drilled team, no one could have stopped him.bigcarl wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 10:24pmThisdesertsaint wrote: ↑Mon 15 Jul 2019 8:58pm For all his knockers just think what we were and what we achieved under gt.
From woodenspooners to legitimate and exciting contenders. Sure we had some top picks but so have the deed, blues, and suns. Most of our group were lower rungs and trades. And before they’d got near their peak he took them to 2 prelims.
Lyon had the likes of roo, Goddard, Hayes, Joey, chips, Baker, Milney et al over their prime football ages. It was GT’s team. But where gt played youth Ross left the likes of Steven and Armo stewing in the seconds.
I’d give anything to have another gt right now. Surely we all would.