how big is that f****** signature pic of the NFL saints??!!
i mean cmon
ffs tone it down a tad
and wtf are we still goin on about this rubbish for?
seriously....30 pages?
let me guess
a moral compass is still floating about
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And yet you keep posting to it.....I always laugh when people post on a topic criticising people for posting on a topic.matrix wrote: and wtf are we still goin on about this rubbish for?
seriously....30 pages?
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Sorry about the large sig, which is the 49ers not New Orleans. I was wondering if someone would complain about it. The thumbnail one is the current one but its a tad small but the other one is too big. So I'll stay with the smaller one, cheersmatrix wrote:the important question is........
how big is that f****** signature pic of the NFL saints??!!
i mean cmon
ffs tone it down a tad
and wtf are we still goin on about this rubbish for?
seriously....30 pages?
let me guess
a moral compass is still floating about
Hate to break it to you Doc but this will haunt the club for years. In terms of public relations it doesn't get any worse than "dwarf burning". Jesus even the footy show thought it was too off to touch it. The footy show! Everyone will forget Clinton Jones and the details but they'll remember St Kilda as the dwarf burning club for years. That's why this has become a 30 page thread. That's why the players gave up their time to do a video apology to members (and sponsers) and cancelled end of year trip. They now realise where the club is at: "Its not the St Kilda we want". They couldn't be clearer - this has been a wake up call and shouldn't be ignored. I don't know why half the posters on the site don't realise that too. They're calling Lenny, Nic, Jack and the entire playing list liars. Maybe we should accept it as it has come from the horses mouth.Dr Spaceman wrote:It's been a week. One whole bloody week!!!![]()
Anyone know how the little fella's going? Have they moved him out of the burns unit yet?
And thats the other big issue - the club is entering a critical phase. We will be down the bottom for at least 2-3 years. From what I've seen Watters and the club seems to be on the right track but what if they're not? A lot of first time coaches fail. With GWS, GC and Melbourne loaded up on early draft picks we could struggle for 7-8 years if they don't get it right. Membership and attendances are already dropping. We're locked into a Etihad deal that kills us financially. Sponsors aint gunna be climbing all over themselves to get aboard the on-field struggling low membership dwarf burning club train. And Tassie keep pushing for a team in the AFL and the AFL want to complete their domination in all states of Australia......spert wrote:pressure will be right on for the team to get off to a winning start next season so we can repair some of the damage.
So it seems.sunsaint wrote:the brief era of aspiring to be tolerant is now OVERDave McNamara wrote: Onya Kristen!
Now absolutely not even on the same planet as the above, but still possibly the start of a slippery slope that some people can descend, because it adds a further element of devaluing, of a lack of respect...A wide range of motivational factors appeared to be connected to these homicides. Some cases appeared to involve simple neglect or elimination of a caregiving responsibility. Some involved a belief that the homicide would go unnoticed or unpunished or a belief that killing someone with a disability is a less serious offense because that person is already "damaged merchandise."
http://www.ccdonline.ca/en/humanrights/ ... r/2000/05b
From reading the Rich article, and regardless of what else he did or didn't do, seriously guys, imagine how scary and humiliating it could be for anyone, let alone someone in a wheelchair? To have an unknown (probably) drunk yob suddenly run up and start rapidly pushing their wheelchair? Only 10m in the end, but how would that bloke know how long it was to last? What would happen next? The very real danger of falling out...?They have disputed all the allegations and only admit Rich pushed Partridge for about 10m along the footpath.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/quee ... 6713601540
So it seems... or maybe not...sunsaint wrote:the brief era of aspiring to be tolerant is now OVER
You need some serious councilling.markinUSA wrote: I wasn't making an idle comment when I said this is not a safe place for disabled people - the 'jokes' about burning someone who is disabled aren't funny in the slightest. They triggered a lot of PTSD in me, and an emormous amount of anger. I've cried and raged for days.
markinUSA wrote:As a disabled person, as someone who has been burnt by another person and had multiple skin grafts, and as someone who has spent the majority of his life advocating about violence against disabled people, I can barely describe how much this issue has affected me.
Yes, I was too upset to take the call the other day.
I did today.
I wasn't making an idle comment when I said this is not a safe place for disabled people - the 'jokes' about burning someone who is disabled aren't funny in the slightest. They triggered a lot of PTSD in me, and an emormous amount of anger. I've cried and raged for days.
The only allies I've found, who truly 'got' the effect of this event, were disabled people and disability organizations. This place was one of the worst I've encountered... people sending me messages here or on social media telling me to hang myself. I won't visit again after this post. I'm sure many of you will be thrilled... good luck to you.
I spoke to Michael today. I won't tell you the conversation; but I will say he is a very caring, upright person and he genuinely listened to me. I am glad St Kilda has a person like him.
dont understand why you need to kick him twice on the way outjoffaboy wrote:Glad you are not visiting here again.
You are an extremist and a zealot, a hypocrite and bring nothing to the conversation but abuse and accusations.
I am glad to see you wont post here again.
This place is no refuge Mark, it's certainly not somewhere to seek solace or find comfort.markinUSA wrote:As a disabled person, as someone who has been burnt by another person and had multiple skin grafts, and as someone who has spent the majority of his life advocating about violence against disabled people, I can barely describe how much this issue has affected me.
Yes, I was too upset to take the call the other day.
I did today.
I wasn't making an idle comment when I said this is not a safe place for disabled people - the 'jokes' about burning someone who is disabled aren't funny in the slightest. They triggered a lot of PTSD in me, and an emormous amount of anger. I've cried and raged for days.
The only allies I've found, who truly 'got' the effect of this event, were disabled people and disability organizations. This place was one of the worst I've encountered... people sending me messages here or on social media telling me to hang myself. I won't visit again after this post. I'm sure many of you will be thrilled... good luck to you.
I spoke to Michael today. I won't tell you the conversation; but I will say he is a very caring, upright person and he genuinely listened to me. I am glad St Kilda has a person like him.
Best wishes Mark. I am sure that many of us understand the emotive nature of your earlier posts better having read your last post.markinUSA wrote:As a disabled person, as someone who has been burnt by another person and had multiple skin grafts, and as someone who has spent the majority of his life advocating about violence against disabled people, I can barely describe how much this issue has affected me.
Yes, I was too upset to take the call the other day.
I did today.
I wasn't making an idle comment when I said this is not a safe place for disabled people - the 'jokes' about burning someone who is disabled aren't funny in the slightest. They triggered a lot of PTSD in me, and an emormous amount of anger. I've cried and raged for days.
The only allies I've found, who truly 'got' the effect of this event, were disabled people and disability organizations. This place was one of the worst I've encountered... people sending me messages here or on social media telling me to hang myself. I won't visit again after this post. I'm sure many of you will be thrilled... good luck to you.
I spoke to Michael today. I won't tell you the conversation; but I will say he is a very caring, upright person and he genuinely listened to me. I am glad St Kilda has a person like him.
For once I agree with you Plugsplugger66 wrote:markinUSA wrote:As a disabled person, as someone who has been burnt by another person and had multiple skin grafts, and as someone who has spent the majority of his life advocating about violence against disabled people, I can barely describe how much this issue has affected me.
Yes, I was too upset to take the call the other day.
I did today.
I wasn't making an idle comment when I said this is not a safe place for disabled people - the 'jokes' about burning someone who is disabled aren't funny in the slightest. They triggered a lot of PTSD in me, and an emormous amount of anger. I've cried and raged for days.
The only allies I've found, who truly 'got' the effect of this event, were disabled people and disability organizations. This place was one of the worst I've encountered... people sending me messages here or on social media telling me to hang myself. I won't visit again after this post. I'm sure many of you will be thrilled... good luck to you.
I spoke to Michael today. I won't tell you the conversation; but I will say he is a very caring, upright person and he genuinely listened to me. I am glad St Kilda has a person like him.
You need to stop with they burnt him because he was disabled. he wasnt burnt firstly and secondly his clothes were burnt because he was in the same place as everyone else who had their clothes burnt. It was stupid, it was childish but it had zero to do with the person being a dwarf.
And anyone sending those messages is clearly a friggin idiot and you should ignore them.
You have taken a non event turned it into the crime of the century. just so you can jump up on your pedestal and cry for every one to shower you with attention and respect.markinUSA wrote:As a disabled person, as someone who has been burnt by another person and had multiple skin grafts, and as someone who has spent the majority of his life advocating about violence against disabled people, I can barely describe how much this issue has affected me.
Yes, I was too upset to take the call the other day.
I did today.
I wasn't making an idle comment when I said this is not a safe place for disabled people - the 'jokes' about burning someone who is disabled aren't funny in the slightest. They triggered a lot of PTSD in me, and an emormous amount of anger. I've cried and raged for days.
The only allies I've found, who truly 'got' the effect of this event, were disabled people and disability organizations. This place was one of the worst I've encountered... people sending me messages here or on social media telling me to hang myself. I won't visit again after this post. I'm sure many of you will be thrilled... good luck to you.
I spoke to Michael today. I won't tell you the conversation; but I will say he is a very caring, upright person and he genuinely listened to me. I am glad St Kilda has a person like him.
doesn't matter he wont read it anyway, or is he one of those grandstanding posters who proclaim to the world they are never posting here again (but do anyway).sunsaint wrote:dont understand why you need to kick him twice on the way outjoffaboy wrote:Glad you are not visiting here again.
You are an extremist and a zealot, a hypocrite and bring nothing to the conversation but abuse and accusations.
I am glad to see you wont post here again.
Jof claims are claim... i can also make a million on here. they seamed to get more and more personally tragic as the markinUSA saga rolled on. I don't buy what he was pitching at all. if it's true its terrible. but who knows..... the internet is a crazy place... but i did take major exception to the rediculas comparisons he was making.joffaboy wrote:doesn't matter he wont read it anyway, or is he one of those grandstanding posters who proclaim to the world they are never posting here again (but do anyway).sunsaint wrote:dont understand why you need to kick him twice on the way outjoffaboy wrote:Glad you are not visiting here again.
You are an extremist and a zealot, a hypocrite and bring nothing to the conversation but abuse and accusations.
I am glad to see you wont post here again.
Why proclaim it, just go away, nobody will miss an hysteric. And my fist post wasn't kicking him on the way out.
Someone pouring their psychological heart out on a football forum is someone whose health I genuinely fear for.
However I wont treat someone who has abused and judged and labelled many of us bigots, and accused us of hate crimes towards the disabled, with kid gloves.
There are real injustices in the world and this bloke takes a stupid, idiotic, immature, foolish and embarrassing prank, and equates it to Hitler, the holocaust and eugenics![]()
These hysterical and extreme views need and deserve to be challenged.
i feel bad for the individual named mark. I feel for his personal injustices. I feel for the fact that some monster attacked him as a disabled person and by what he says burnt him, but the projection of this terrible and personal experiences have no bearing on the mindless idiocies of some footballers.
Anyway done with this, done with mark.
Pluggs I reckon that the basics of what you write is correct.plugger66 wrote:You need to stop with they burnt him because he was disabled. he wasnt burnt firstly and secondly his clothes were burnt because he was in the same place as everyone else who had their clothes burnt. It was stupid, it was childish but it had zero to do with the person being a dwarf.
"You should go hang yourself."plugger66 wrote:And anyone sending those messages is clearly a friggin idiot and you should ignore them.