Dropping "star" players.

[saynta]

Evidently the coaching team believe we have 20 odd star players with fragile egos who would be bruised if they were dropped.

Either that our they have clauses in their contracts guaranteeing them 20 odd games this year.

f****** terrible selections this week and getting worse.

How the f*** does Howard keep getting a game when players like Highmore and Bytel can't even get a foot in the f****** door. Pathetic.

Steele should not be playing and Wood is clearly injured.

I have no idea whats up King's arse either. The sulks maybe.

The Poo is living up to his nic too.

The f****** "master" coach would have believe that this side is way better than last years. Apples and oranges he said.

Think I believe him and last year's Ratten coached side was way better.

19 frees to 14 and you could be forgiven for thinking we got the benefit of the rub of the green where the maggots were concerned.

Actually we didn't. The brians got 3 of their first 5 goals courtesy of the maggots and later on a goal from a f****** terrible 50 metre penalty decision that should see a maggot dropped . Of course he wont' be.

[mad saint guy]

Lyon is nothing if not stubborn. We were promised a new version but he's reverted back to his old ways. He has a squad of 26ish players that he's willing to select and the fast offensive game plan devised by the assistant coaches has been binned with the classic dour Lyon style back.

Steele clearly needed an extended period off to get over his collarbone injury and now can barely run with a bung knee. Ross played 5 terrible games before being dropped. Byrnes apparently doesn't need to get the ball, he just needs to run. Caminiti started well but looks a bit cooked which is understandable for a 19 year old key forward without an AFL pre season. Pou has been cooked since the first month as well - needs to be managed intelligently. Howard had to play given Brisbane's height up forward but his year has been ordinary. Marshall and the rest of the team would surely benefit from having real ruck support but Lyon doesn't think 2 rucks are necessary and isn't willing to trial it.

This has got to be the least amount of exploration of any year that I can recall

[nostalgicsaint]

Howard is twice the key position defender highmore will ever be.

Bytel I agree should get a game but he has been given multiple opportunities- it is up to him to grab them when they come.

King is going well, patching but developing and a star.

Pou could potentially do with a rest but someone has to take his spot and there are others under more pressure such as Byrne's.


Plenty of AFL players play sore.

[nostalgicsaint]

And just on the moaning about the year of exploration comment.


It is possible to do so without picking someone in the ones.

How do they train, how do they handle not being picked, how do they handle being the sub, how do they play in the twos based on feedback given.

Perhaps and it is just a guess but standards and culture are a big part of the selections we've seen.

[saynta]

Lyon is nothing if not stubborn. We were promised a new version but he's reverted back to his old ways. He has a squad of 26ish players that he's willing to select and the fast offensive game plan devised by the assistant coaches has been binned with the classic dour Lyon style back.

Steele clearly needed an extended period off to get over his collarbone injury and now can barely run with a bung knee. Ross played 5 terrible games before being dropped. Byrnes apparently doesn't need to get the ball, he just needs to run. Caminiti started well but looks a bit cooked which is understandable for a 19 year old key forward without an AFL pre season. Pou has been cooked since the first month as well - needs to be managed intelligently. Howard had to play given Brisbane's height up forward but his year has been ordinary. Marshall and the rest of the team would surely benefit from having real ruck support but Lyon doesn't think 2 rucks are necessary and isn't willing to trial it.

This has got to be the least amount of exploration of any year that I can recall

Well said mate. Your post is the only one I will read on last night's pathetic effort.

[Scollop]

Two losses in a row

Will a 'favourite' of Lyon be ommitted or will we see the usual scapegoats in young players?

I reckon only Paton, Byrnes and Sharman will be dropped. One of them to play as Sub

[Otiman]

Selection of Paton Byrnes Sharman is like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

Need some structural changes like Cordy and Heath in.

[Trev from the Bush]

Ahem, there is hardly a single player at Sandringham knocking the door down for selection. Billings should be back after his performance, the only player of quality that is ready to go.

[CURLY]

Billings
Coffield
Jones
Hayes
McKenzie
Allison

Have all been unavailable all seaosn.

Membrey available for two games and King for the last four.

Makes it very hard to drop and promote.

[shanegrambeau]

Please tell me (tell us) why any single player should be dropped.
Be clear about it please.

State your rationale.

The follwoing does not suffice;

"Bobby should be dropped because Billy deserves a chance"

What is this?

An AA meeting?
The Salvation Army?

[Yorkeys]

Please tell me (tell us) why any single player should be dropped.
Be clear about it please.

State your rationale.

The follwoing does not suffice;

"Bobby should be dropped because Billy deserves a chance"

What is this?

An AA meeting?
The Salvation Army?

Salvos are far from soft or mismanaged. Compassionate with a no nonsense approach.

Bobby, not his real name, should be dropped because he is, insert reason(s), too slow, poor mark, fumbles, not physically big enough/strong enough, reactive, timid, poor decision maker, can't get his own ball, watches on the outside at the fall of the ball, poor tackler, creates uncertainty in the minds of team mates, poor disposal, is taking the team nowhere, that never land between finals and middling draft pick.

Possible suspects: Byrnes, Paton, Gresham, Higgins, Howard....

[Banger9798]

We only have one viable full back option. That is one of our greatest issues. Hence Howard is undroppable

[Yorkeys]

We only have one viable full back option. That is one of our greatest issues. Hence Howard is undroppable

I hear you but sort of disagree. Too many clangers and at crucial times. Appreciate limited options but to keep humouring his nonsense?; would Highmore or Sharman be so far worse, and maybe add more than height and weight to the selection algorithm. See Campbell, big doesn’t always cut it.

[Saints58]

Selection integrity has gone out the window the only way players get a game is if there is a injury.

Dougal should stay in the team he does really well considering he is covering for Battle most of the time.

Battle does some good things but when he makes a mistake and they are often he gives up a goal and now its starting to be very costly and putting more pressure on Dougal and the rest of the back line.

Battle should be out and Cordy come in he is a Premiership KPP and has played over 100 games as a key back and is taller then battle the sooner this happens the better but I feel this will not happen till its to late like last season when Campbell finally got a game in the last round.

[Teflon]

Billings
Coffield
Jones
Hayes
McKenzie
Allison

Have all been unavailable all seaosn.

Membrey available for two games and King for the last four.

Makes it very hard to drop and promote.

Hallelujah!!
A voice of reason in a thread full mad rambling toss pots!!
“Ross should drop half the side and bring all these phantom gun players we have in reserve….if he doesn’t he’s not exploring..”
Chicken Little sky is falling utter garbage
Round of self uppercuts please

[CQ SAINT]

Billings
Coffield
Jones
Hayes
McKenzie
Allison

Have all been unavailable all seaosn.

Membrey available for two games and King for the last four.

Makes it very hard to drop and promote.

Hallelujah!!
A voice of reason in a thread full mad rambling toss pots!!
“Ross should drop half the side and bring all these phantom gun players we have in reserve….if he doesn’t he’s not exploring..”
Chicken Little sky is falling utter garbage
Round of self uppercuts please

Now this has been pointed out again, in two weeks when Melbourne beat us, and we drop Byrnes for Clark and Phillipou for Billings, the new post will be called 'selection integrity' and if Clark only gets 10 disposals and Billings injures himself.........again, we'll hear how they have been rushed back too quickly.

[Teflon]

Billings
Coffield
Jones
Hayes
McKenzie
Allison

Have all been unavailable all seaosn.

Membrey available for two games and King for the last four.

Makes it very hard to drop and promote.

Hallelujah!!
A voice of reason in a thread full mad rambling toss pots!!
“Ross should drop half the side and bring all these phantom gun players we have in reserve….if he doesn’t he’s not exploring..”
Chicken Little sky is falling utter garbage
Round of self uppercuts please

Now this has been pointed out again, in two weeks when Melbourne beat us, and we drop Byrnes for Clark and Phillipou for Billings, the new post will be called 'selection integrity' and if Clark only gets 10 disposals and Billings injures himself.........again, we'll hear how they have been rushed back too quickly.

Agree it’s funny stuff
I could understand if we had 2-3 knocking the door down …that’s not the case

[Otiman]

This assumes we have star players to begin with.

[Saint2]

We have one "star" player in Sinclair, the rest are a mixture of very good, good on their day, developing, or patchy due to injury or no one else being available to take that position in the team. Who for example takes Howard's spot? the cupboard is bare so far this season. Don't forget that the poor form of our midfield as a unit, is putting a lot of pressure on our backline.
Players at Sandy are not putting their hand up enough- Bytel probably should get a run, but on last week's game just could have done bit better. Peris seems to have a real go at it, and that is obviously what Lyon likes. Billings has class and stands out amongst an ordinary list at Sandy, but probably is not quite ready to go back to seniors yet.

[saynta]

This assumes we have star players to begin with.

Sorry , my attempt at sarcasm has evidently been misread.

[Otiman]

This assumes we have star players to begin with.

Sorry , my attempt at sarcasm has evidently been misread.

Not at all, I was just rolling with it.

[Scollop]

Chris Fagan said that Daniel Rich and Jack Gunston "came to him" and said they needed to sit out from the seniors for a little while because they "weren't happy with their form"

That's how you drop senior players. Pretend that it's their call

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... 1639912b6c

[magnifisaint]

Yeah. Good old Chris. Nothing did happen at Hawthorn did it!
Same old same old.

[Scollop]

As far as the match against West Coast is concerned, there's an argument for Snags having a rest. He did a couple of good things but they were balanced out for a zero net gain from his overall efforts when he fluffed a couple of chances in the last quarter.

Same with Gresham. He was lucky to score a goal off a free kick where both he and Mich Owens were tackling Sheed at the same time. He works hard and did get a a few good possessions that led to scores for the team but 52% disposal efficiency is not flash

Maybe Hill gets a week off. Maybe Battle is out for next week with concussion

[saynta]

Don't think any of Hill, Battle or Ross will be playing against the Dees.