Chipping with 5 to go COULD now cost us 4th

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Chipping with 5 to go COULD now cost us 4th

Post: # 631251Post Winmar7Fan »

So now here we are 11.00 pm Saturday and the positions are set for the final 8 with only us to go.

The debate the last few weeks has been shutting down early when we've had momentum with plenty of time left (a good 5 minutes) forfeiting percentage to save ourselves and risk of injuries.

So if we win tomorrow guess what separates us and 4th spot ? That 10 or 15 minutes over those 2 or 3 games realistically could have been 4 or 5 goals.

Not to mention one of those games was against Adelaide which would also have affected their percentage.
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The West Coast loss cost us fourth...Nothing else!


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Post: # 631255Post james rose »

as before...

every goal we kick boosts our percentage... every goal your opponent kicks hurts more than that boost

every injury obtained in that last 5 mins costs future games


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Post: # 631258Post saint66au »

That 10 or 15 minutes over those 2 or 3 games realistically could have been 4 or 5 goals.
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Post: # 631260Post OneEyedSainter77 »

Nope, sorry. Storm in a teacup. You can't balme our chipping around on that. We could've got maybe two more goals I reckon. Wouldn't have made much difference.

What stops us from getting top four is not beating West Coast and/or Collingwood. VERY disapppointing performances IMO.


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Post: # 631262Post The_Dud »

we chiped it around and played defensively all season, we're the 4th lowest scoring team in the comp, says it all


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Post: # 631264Post maverick »

If we had of beaten West Coast we wouldn't have beaten Freo, just the way we are...

Why can't we beat the Bombers by 100 tomorrow, we are at full strength fighting for 4th, they have 24 players to choose from and nothing to play for...

We should dominate the ruck, the clearances and they have no one to play on Roo.

We should win by 10 goals, just a question on whether we have the game to find the extra 6....


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Post: # 631265Post The_Dud »

we will struggle to kick 100 points, let alone win by that much


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Post: # 631266Post Winmar7Fan »

OneEyedSainter77 wrote:Nope, sorry. Storm in a teacup. You can't balme our chipping around on that. We could've got maybe two more goals I reckon. Wouldn't have made much difference.

What stops us from getting top four is not beating West Coast and/or Collingwood. VERY disapppointing performances IMO.
At the end of the day you can only go by what you have control over.

They weren't able to win those games for what ever reason the same as all the other teams had relative losses that they are also blaming for missing out .

But we chose to put on the brakes and stop scoring with plenty of time left not just 1 or 2 minutes and to still say that your happy to have done that even if we just fall short on percentage confuses me.


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Post: # 631269Post maverick »

The_Dud wrote:we will struggle to kick 100 points, let alone win by that much
Probably right, maybe our new super defence will keep them scoreless :lol:


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Post: # 631276Post barks4eva »

Nah I blame the second round draft pick we gave away 5 years ago for costing us a top 4 finish.


Mind you the cabbage of a goal umpire at AAMI stadium didn't help when he singlehandedly gave Adelaide the first goal in the last quarter and momentum, what a numbnut, should be sacked immediately.


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Post: # 631281Post saintsRrising »

How about that we will most likely finish 4th or 5th.....


Given the endless Sack Lyon this year how about a little credit for RL and his gameplan now???


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Post: # 631290Post desertsaint »

Percentage at the end of the year is worth an extra point - the conservative approach has cost us that point. All other conjecture (ooh what if there's an injury... maybe the other team suddenly kicks 5 goals in 5 mins... perhaps we'll have more energy and it'll get us a win next week...) is just pie in the sky.

Yes a loss costs 4 points, but we've thrown an extra point down the drain by not going hard to finish teams off!


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Post: # 631293Post my les foote »

The_Dud wrote:we will struggle to kick 100 points, let alone win by that much
They'll struggle to kick 10 points, so 100 might be enough.


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Post: # 631321Post bigcarl »

Chipping with 5 to go COULD now cost us 4th
barring a minor miracle today losing to west coast and collingwood cost us a top 4 spot.


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barks4eva wrote:Nah I blame the second round draft pick we gave away 5 years ago for costing us a top 4 finish.


Mind you the cabbage of a goal umpire at AAMI stadium didn't help when he singlehandedly gave Adelaide the first goal in the last quarter and momentum, what a numbnut, should be sacked immediately.
I agree with Barks, where do the "What ifs" and "Hindsight Nostradamus'" start or stop? Draft picks, trades, interchange moves, shots at goal, turnovers, missed tackles, injuries, suspensions...the list is endless.

Bottom line, the season is unfolding as it should. We still have control over our destiny, certainly more so than others. Personally I'm happy to be playing finals and hoping we do not lose another game for the year :wink:


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Post: # 631329Post Red »

Not enough games were won. Previous years you had to win at least 14

games. In 2006 if you won 14 you still may not of finished in 4th.

You guarantee top 4 by winning games.


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Chipping around with 5 to go COULD cost us 4th

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Personally I blame it all on me leaving me "lucky bucket hat" on the plane to Adelaide in 2004..the mojo went then :roll: :wink:


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Post: # 631417Post maverick »

saintsRrising wrote:How about that we will most likely finish 4th or 5th.....


Given the endless Sack Lyon this year how about a little credit for RL and his gameplan now???
Why?

If not for RL and his gameplan we would have been 2nd or 3rd, given the weak state of the comp other than Geelong...

So why would that draw praise.

If we make the GF then that's another story...


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Post: # 631418Post Bernard Shakey »

What if the Crows had kicked one or two goals in those last five minutes?


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Post: # 631447Post desertsaint »

Bernard Shakey wrote:What if the Crows had kicked one or two goals in those last five minutes?
Do we play with fear of conceding or play with the belief in scoring?

To my knowledge just ONE team has won a flag playing defensively...ONE!

Also of interest is how many premiers had a low % - any at all?


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maverick wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:How about that we will most likely finish 4th or 5th.....


Given the endless Sack Lyon this year how about a little credit for RL and his gameplan now???
Why?

If not for RL and his gameplan we would have been 2nd or 3rd, given the weak state of the comp other than Geelong...

So why would that draw praise.

If we make the GF then that's another story...
F2rk me Ive heard it all now...

Its ALL Ross Lyons fault IF we finish 5th....

yet GT got us to 8th at end of 06 and thats ok...

Geezus your like a dog with a bone.....how bout just chew it?


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Post: # 631456Post Otiman »

thejiggingsaint wrote:Personally I blame it all on me leaving me "lucky bucket hat" on the plane to Adelaide in 2004..the mojo went then :roll: :wink:
Try a hat every week until you find a new lucky one, perhaps. And I'll buy shares in hats. :lol:


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Post: # 631860Post barneyboyz »

saintsRrising wrote:How about that we will most likely finish 4th or 5th.....


Given the endless Sack Lyon this year how about a little credit for RL and his gameplan now???
Here, Here, could change the way some people think around here, either way, it will be a bit quieter on that front,

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no point in bringing up an old thread


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