How did he go against the Tigers?
Is he a chance to debut this year and if he does how does everyone see him going and in what possible position.
How's Luke Miles looking
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From what I hear Zac has been in the gym over summer and put on a bit of mucsle. What was his problem at Hawthorn.Batnoe wrote:The problem if Luke Miles plays is
we have had a long term injury to a senior player
after reading a bit on here imagine that Dawson might be the next in line to replace Allen
put on 20 kg of muscle from when he debuted and yet gilbert is more defined. Was just too thin to play KPPCairnsman wrote:From what I hear Zac has been in the gym over summer and put on a bit of mucsle. What was his problem at Hawthorn.Batnoe wrote:The problem if Luke Miles plays is
we have had a long term injury to a senior player
after reading a bit on here imagine that Dawson might be the next in line to replace Allen
on miles, from what I have seen he struggles with the higher tempo of AFL
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i am a Luke Miles fan. Pacey and competes hard. Perfect match up for a Williams type at the Hawks or any fast leading mid sized forward.
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[quote="Batnoe"]The problem if Luke Miles plays is
we have had a long term injury to a senior player
after reading a bit on here imagine that Dawson might be the next in line to replace Allen[/quote]
St Kilda has 38 players on their senior list but only 1 veteran outisde the list (Max Hudghton).
That means St Kilda can nominate 1 rookie who is always available for selection.
Known as a "nominated rookie".
With Allen out for the season they can temporarily promote a rookie under the long term injury rule.
Dempster is also expected to be out for more than half the season,so St Kilda can temporariy promote another rookie.
This rookie would not need to be demoted when Dempster returns because the club is allowed another nominated rookie from mid season onward.
This means [b]St Kilda has 3 places that can be fillled by rookies.[/b]
Of course from a cost point of view they will not make these nominations and temporary promotions until the players concerned are to be in the selected 25 (22 playing + 3 emergencies).
Not sure but Brad Howard may have a deal that when he was cut last year, if he were (as happened) to be redrafted in the rookie draft, he would become the nominated rookie.
If any of our rookies are worthy of a senior game they would be unlikely to be blocked by some rule.
we have had a long term injury to a senior player
after reading a bit on here imagine that Dawson might be the next in line to replace Allen[/quote]
St Kilda has 38 players on their senior list but only 1 veteran outisde the list (Max Hudghton).
That means St Kilda can nominate 1 rookie who is always available for selection.
Known as a "nominated rookie".
With Allen out for the season they can temporarily promote a rookie under the long term injury rule.
Dempster is also expected to be out for more than half the season,so St Kilda can temporariy promote another rookie.
This rookie would not need to be demoted when Dempster returns because the club is allowed another nominated rookie from mid season onward.
This means [b]St Kilda has 3 places that can be fillled by rookies.[/b]
Of course from a cost point of view they will not make these nominations and temporary promotions until the players concerned are to be in the selected 25 (22 playing + 3 emergencies).
Not sure but Brad Howard may have a deal that when he was cut last year, if he were (as happened) to be redrafted in the rookie draft, he would become the nominated rookie.
If any of our rookies are worthy of a senior game they would be unlikely to be blocked by some rule.
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I thought the same thing, but I was apparently wrong. Somebody posted the rule and, it appears, since Hudghton is outside the list we can't nominate a rookie. If he were inside the list, we could nominate a rookie.ace wrote:St Kilda has 38 players on their senior list but only 1 veteran outisde the list (Max Hudghton).
That means St Kilda can nominate 1 rookie who is always available for selection.
Known as a "nominated rookie".
I blame Dwayne Russell. The guy is a terrible commentator. He rambled on about the rule for about ten minutes in the Hawthorn-Melbourne match, without making it clear what the rule actually was.
Regardless, there is a spot for Miles if he plays well enough. From what I've seen and read, he hasn't yet. He got a lot of competition as a medium defender, which is only going to get worse when Dempster eventually returns. He's got a lot of work ahead of him.
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[quote="vacuous space"][quote="ace"]St Kilda has 38 players on their senior list but only 1 veteran outisde the list (Max Hudghton).
That means St Kilda can nominate 1 rookie who is always available for selection.
Known as a "nominated rookie". [/quote]
I thought the same thing, but I was apparently wrong. Somebody posted the rule and, it appears, since Hudghton is outside the list we can't nominate a rookie. If he were inside the list, we could nominate a rookie.
[/quote]
It is all covered in the AFL Players Agreement
http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_doc ... 0FINAL.pdf
12. LONG TERM INJURY LIST
12.1 Each AFL Club may apply to the AFL General Manager – Football Operations to
transfer a Player suffering a long term injury from its Primary List to its Long Term
Injury List. A long term injury means an injury or illness suffered by a Player
which, in the opinion of the AFL Medical Officer, after consultation with the AFL
Club Medical Officer, will prevent or is likely to prevent a Player, having due
regard to his health and safety, from participating in a Match for a period of not less
than eight weeks from the date the injury or illness is diagnosed.
12.2 (a) A Player’s name may only be added to the Long Term Injury List with the
Player’s consent and with the approval of the AFL General Manager –
Football Operations.
(b) An injured Player who is transferred to an AFL Club’s Long Term Injury
List is ineligible to play in the AFL Competition or a State Body competition
for the period:
(i) the Player’s name is on the AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List; or
(ii) of eight weeks,
whichever is greater. The period shall commence from the day on which the
AFL General Manager – Football Operations gives his approval for the
injured Player to transfer to the AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List.
(c) An AFL Club is unable to transfer an injured Player to its Long Term Injury
List after 5.00pm on Thursday following round 18 of the AFL Premiership
Season in each year.
[b]12.3 For the period a Player remains on the Long Term Injury List of an AFL Club, that
AFL Club may apply to the AFL General Manager – Football Operations for
permission to temporarily promote a Rookie to its Primary List [/b]and subject to
paragraph 4.7 of Schedule B, any payments made to the Rookie for the period that
the Rookie remains on the Primary List as a replacement for a Player on the Long
Term Injury List, shall be excluded from the Total Player Payments of the AFL
Club.
14. PLAYER LISTS
14.1 Each AFL Club shall maintain minimum and maximum numbers of Players on their
Lists. During the term, the maximum Primary List size shall be 38 and Veterans
List size shall be 2.
14.2 The minimum number of Players on the Club’s Primary List and Veterans List
combined shall be 38.
14.3 The number of Players referred to in clause 14.1 and 14.2 shall be Players included
on the AFL Club’s Primary List and Veterans List and shall be in addition to the
allowable number of Rookies including nominated Rookies as defined in the Rules.
The maximum number of Rookies and Players on the Primary List shall be in
accordance with Schedule C.
14.4 There shall be a limit of two Players that may be placed on a Club’s Veterans List
with no limit on the number of Players that may be classified as veterans on the
AFL Club’s Primary List.
[b]14.5 An AFL Club is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player as being eligible for senior
selection if it has 38 Players on its Primary List not including Veterans at the
conclusion of the Pre-Season Draft and it otherwise satisfies the requirements of this
clause 14.
14.6 An AFL Club which is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player pursuant to clause 14.5
may:
(a) where the AFL Club has nominated one Player on its Veterans List,
nominate one Player from its Rookie List as being available for selection by
that AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series
Matches; and
(b) where the AFL Club has not nominated a Player on its Veterans List,
nominate up to two Players from its Rookie List as being available for
selection by the AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL
Finals Series Matches.[/b]
14.7 The right of an AFL Club to nominate a Rookie Player under clause 14.6 is subject
to the AFL Club demonstrating to the satisfaction of the Investigations Manager that
it can accommodate within its Total Player Payments the Football Payments which
must be paid to the Rookie Player as prescribed by paragraph 4 of Schedule B.
14.8 One half of the Football Payments in respect of a Rookie Player nominated under
this clause 14 shall be excluded from the relevant AFL Club’s Total Player
Payments.
It is all rather simple isn't it.
Conclusion we have 3 places
1 x nominated rookie
2 x replacement for long term injured
That means St Kilda can nominate 1 rookie who is always available for selection.
Known as a "nominated rookie".
[/quote]I thought the same thing, but I was apparently wrong. Somebody posted the rule and, it appears, since Hudghton is outside the list we can't nominate a rookie. If he were inside the list, we could nominate a rookie.
[/quote]
It is all covered in the AFL Players Agreement
http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_doc ... 0FINAL.pdf
12. LONG TERM INJURY LIST
12.1 Each AFL Club may apply to the AFL General Manager – Football Operations to
transfer a Player suffering a long term injury from its Primary List to its Long Term
Injury List. A long term injury means an injury or illness suffered by a Player
which, in the opinion of the AFL Medical Officer, after consultation with the AFL
Club Medical Officer, will prevent or is likely to prevent a Player, having due
regard to his health and safety, from participating in a Match for a period of not less
than eight weeks from the date the injury or illness is diagnosed.
12.2 (a) A Player’s name may only be added to the Long Term Injury List with the
Player’s consent and with the approval of the AFL General Manager –
Football Operations.
(b) An injured Player who is transferred to an AFL Club’s Long Term Injury
List is ineligible to play in the AFL Competition or a State Body competition
for the period:
(i) the Player’s name is on the AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List; or
(ii) of eight weeks,
whichever is greater. The period shall commence from the day on which the
AFL General Manager – Football Operations gives his approval for the
injured Player to transfer to the AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List.
(c) An AFL Club is unable to transfer an injured Player to its Long Term Injury
List after 5.00pm on Thursday following round 18 of the AFL Premiership
Season in each year.
[b]12.3 For the period a Player remains on the Long Term Injury List of an AFL Club, that
AFL Club may apply to the AFL General Manager – Football Operations for
permission to temporarily promote a Rookie to its Primary List [/b]and subject to
paragraph 4.7 of Schedule B, any payments made to the Rookie for the period that
the Rookie remains on the Primary List as a replacement for a Player on the Long
Term Injury List, shall be excluded from the Total Player Payments of the AFL
Club.
14. PLAYER LISTS
14.1 Each AFL Club shall maintain minimum and maximum numbers of Players on their
Lists. During the term, the maximum Primary List size shall be 38 and Veterans
List size shall be 2.
14.2 The minimum number of Players on the Club’s Primary List and Veterans List
combined shall be 38.
14.3 The number of Players referred to in clause 14.1 and 14.2 shall be Players included
on the AFL Club’s Primary List and Veterans List and shall be in addition to the
allowable number of Rookies including nominated Rookies as defined in the Rules.
The maximum number of Rookies and Players on the Primary List shall be in
accordance with Schedule C.
14.4 There shall be a limit of two Players that may be placed on a Club’s Veterans List
with no limit on the number of Players that may be classified as veterans on the
AFL Club’s Primary List.
[b]14.5 An AFL Club is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player as being eligible for senior
selection if it has 38 Players on its Primary List not including Veterans at the
conclusion of the Pre-Season Draft and it otherwise satisfies the requirements of this
clause 14.
14.6 An AFL Club which is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player pursuant to clause 14.5
may:
(a) where the AFL Club has nominated one Player on its Veterans List,
nominate one Player from its Rookie List as being available for selection by
that AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series
Matches; and
(b) where the AFL Club has not nominated a Player on its Veterans List,
nominate up to two Players from its Rookie List as being available for
selection by the AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL
Finals Series Matches.[/b]
14.7 The right of an AFL Club to nominate a Rookie Player under clause 14.6 is subject
to the AFL Club demonstrating to the satisfaction of the Investigations Manager that
it can accommodate within its Total Player Payments the Football Payments which
must be paid to the Rookie Player as prescribed by paragraph 4 of Schedule B.
14.8 One half of the Football Payments in respect of a Rookie Player nominated under
this clause 14 shall be excluded from the relevant AFL Club’s Total Player
Payments.
It is all rather simple isn't it.
Conclusion we have 3 places
1 x nominated rookie
2 x replacement for long term injured
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[quote="vacuous space"]Regardless, there is a spot for Miles if he plays well enough. From what I've seen and read, he hasn't yet. He got a lot of competition as a medium defender, which is only going to get worse when Dempster eventually returns. He's got a lot of work ahead of him.[/quote]
One thing he has got going for him is he can run FAST.
One thing he has got going for him is he can run FAST.
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Is it in English? I've actually read it before and I think I came to the exact wrong conclusion.ace wrote:It is all rather simple isn't it.
It seems to me right now that we can nominate a rookie. I'm not sure that I won't read that tomorrow and come to a different conlusion.
Clause 14.5 confuses me most. Do we have to nominate the player after the PSD, or do we have to have 38 players on our list after the PSD.
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Note that under clause 14.8 making Howard the nominated rookie would allow only half of his football payments = contract, to be counted against total player payments.
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In the intra club game the two rookies that stood out were Choo Choo and McGarry. Dawson and Miles have played every game so far, but they have not impressed me in the three games I have seen.
Heyne was on the bench Friday night but never got a run. Rhys Stanley has'nt played a game yet but I dont think he is on the injured list. These are the sort of things that I am unhappy with the selectors for so far. They keep playing the same players in the 28, Miles, Dawson, L.Fisher, Jones etc. It makes no sense to me.
Heyne was on the bench Friday night but never got a run. Rhys Stanley has'nt played a game yet but I dont think he is on the injured list. These are the sort of things that I am unhappy with the selectors for so far. They keep playing the same players in the 28, Miles, Dawson, L.Fisher, Jones etc. It makes no sense to me.