All this talk of Lovett's legal rights, blah blah blah.
When Lovett got arrested for his first offense - the media wouldn't stop shoving opinion pieces down our throats. A lot were saying we should've fired him then & there. It was justifiable to do so according to most of them.
Why now, with other issues included is it deemed innappropriate to do so now?
Regardless if he is guilty or not, the fact remains that he put himself in a terrible situation just shortly after being arrested for another offense at his brand new club whilst needing to make a good impression.
His job was to prove to this new club that he had turned the corner. All he has proven is that a leopard never changes its spots.
If we wanted to sack him after his first offense - it would've been justified even at that stage.
Why has this been forgotten so quickly??
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Maybe not quite justified. Certainly are now tho!savatage wrote: My point is, we were justified to sack him after his first incident.
It seems to me that the so and sos talking about 'rights' are doing a good job of glossing over the responsibilities that earn rights in the 1st place.
It's a shame ignorance isn't painful
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St Kilda couldn't sack him then. Lovett was under investigation. If they had it could have been deemed as prejudicial to the case.karnaby wrote:Maybe not quite justified. Certainly are now tho!savatage wrote: My point is, we were justified to sack him after his first incident.
It seems to me that the so and sos talking about 'rights' are doing a good job of glossing over the responsibilities that earn rights in the 1st place.
Therefore St Kilda had to hold on until charges we either laid or dismissed.
Lovett was going to be sacked regardless, he broke is contractual obligations. It had nothing to do with the rape charge.
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Agreed.plugger66 wrote:Where is the media having a go at us now. Most have said we have done the right thing.
They are saying we did the wrong thing re recruiting him, which is probably true, but are saying that the Saints are justified in their actions in sacking him.
Lance or James??
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Disagreed.joffaboy wrote:Agreed.plugger66 wrote:Where is the media having a go at us now. Most have said we have done the right thing.
They are saying we did the wrong thing re recruiting him, which is probably true, but are saying that the Saints are justified in their actions in sacking him.
Most have alluded to the fact that both the AFLPA and AL are investigating action against the club, as if they have the right/grounds to do so - which would indicate there is a belief throughout the media that the club have done the wrong thing.
Cheap shots at the club's recruiting procedures have suggested St Kilda has been seized by a meglomaniac and cheap shots at the condition of the clubrooms during the media conference suggested the St Kilda has sacked AL to save money.
St Kilda is most definately under fire from the media, which is surprising. Many posters here concluded that the way the club had handled the issue, and the assumptions made in various media reports, proved AL's guilt. Is it now the opposite?
Maybe they are in Adelaide but here in our great town most have backed us. Nearlly all if not all the presenters on SEN have said we have done the right thing. I think we are getting confused with them having a go at recruiting AL. Now that is a different arguement and one that is nearly impossible for the club to win.degruch wrote:Disagreed.joffaboy wrote:Agreed.plugger66 wrote:Where is the media having a go at us now. Most have said we have done the right thing.
They are saying we did the wrong thing re recruiting him, which is probably true, but are saying that the Saints are justified in their actions in sacking him.
Most have alluded to the fact that both the AFLPA and AL are investigating action against the club, as if they have the right/grounds to do so - which would indicate there is a belief throughout the media that the club have done the wrong thing.
Cheap shots at the club's recruiting procedures have suggested St Kilda has been seized by a meglomaniac and cheap shots at the condition of the clubrooms during the media conference suggested the St Kilda has sacked AL to save money.
St Kilda is most definately under fire from the media, which is surprising. Many posters here concluded that the way the club had handled the issue, and the assumptions made in various media reports, proved AL's guilt. Is it now the opposite?
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Maybe in Adelaide? Gawd no...who's St Kilda? Who's Andre Lovell? I'm talking about the think pieces of read on the intrawebs, all of which originate from Melbourne.plugger66 wrote:Maybe they are in Adelaide but here in our great town most have backed us. Nearlly all if not all the presenters on SEN have said we have done the right thing. I think we are getting confused with them having a go at recruiting AL. Now that is a different arguement and one that is nearly impossible for the club to win.degruch wrote:Disagreed.joffaboy wrote:Agreed.plugger66 wrote:Where is the media having a go at us now. Most have said we have done the right thing.
They are saying we did the wrong thing re recruiting him, which is probably true, but are saying that the Saints are justified in their actions in sacking him.
Most have alluded to the fact that both the AFLPA and AL are investigating action against the club, as if they have the right/grounds to do so - which would indicate there is a belief throughout the media that the club have done the wrong thing.
Cheap shots at the club's recruiting procedures have suggested St Kilda has been seized by a meglomaniac and cheap shots at the condition of the clubrooms during the media conference suggested the St Kilda has sacked AL to save money.
St Kilda is most definately under fire from the media, which is surprising. Many posters here concluded that the way the club had handled the issue, and the assumptions made in various media reports, proved AL's guilt. Is it now the opposite?
I agree that AL's recruitment and his dismissal are two separate subjects, for which we will receive a spanking over the former. It's too bad other club's risks seem to come off, or don't dissolve in such spectacular style, because I don't believe St Kilda tasks any more risk decisions than any other club, or at least, I can't believe we have been so poorly advised over so many generations, the buck stopping with John Beveridge.
I don't have the benefit of SEN's gossip generation, the alternative here would be painful. Remember what I said about avoiding POV's you know will be disagreable
yes - to the stage this morning we had the breakfast presenters on SEN asking why were St.Kilda being portrayed by some as the bad guys in this.plugger66 wrote:Maybe they are in Adelaide but here in our great town most have backed us. Nearlly all if not all the presenters on SEN have said we have done the right thing. I think we are getting confused with them having a go at recruiting AL. Now that is a different arguement and one that is nearly impossible for the club to win.degruch wrote:Disagreed.joffaboy wrote:Agreed.plugger66 wrote:Where is the media having a go at us now. Most have said we have done the right thing.
They are saying we did the wrong thing re recruiting him, which is probably true, but are saying that the Saints are justified in their actions in sacking him.
Most have alluded to the fact that both the AFLPA and AL are investigating action against the club, as if they have the right/grounds to do so - which would indicate there is a belief throughout the media that the club have done the wrong thing.
Cheap shots at the club's recruiting procedures have suggested St Kilda has been seized by a meglomaniac and cheap shots at the condition of the clubrooms during the media conference suggested the St Kilda has sacked AL to save money.
St Kilda is most definately under fire from the media, which is surprising. Many posters here concluded that the way the club had handled the issue, and the assumptions made in various media reports, proved AL's guilt. Is it now the opposite?
I dont think the media has been OTT in critisism of the decision to sack him.
Draft him in the first place - well they have a point, as our coach Ross Lyon said.
Lyon made a mistake - so what? He showed he is human.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)