Dogs better list than Saints....Darcy/Walls...

[Teflon]

I could care less to be honest - we have the 23rd man Ross Lyon but whats your thoughts?

Pound for pound, talent wise is the Dogs list better than St Kilda?

For a start....Im not sure their midfield has an equal in terms of consistency to Hayes....sure they have the better fullback....but do they have better half backs than Fisher/Gilbert?....a utility like Goddard?

Do they have better small fwds? betters CHF?....hmmmm

Im not so sure..

[OneEyedSainter77]

NFW

[SainterK]

Never do I see list for list comparisons, they just shoot from the hip with nothing to back it up.

I'd be interested if someone could line up the sides, and I'd back us now for sure, especially with the drop in form of some of their players that were in their best 22 last year (Aker, Eagleton, Hahn)

[lurker#134]

Surely they must be joking or high or both. Our players AND gameplan beat the doggies any day.

[Dr Spaceman]

I also couldn't care less.

In the end it's all about winning flags. I'd rather win the thing with the 5th or 6th best list than fail with the 1st or 2nd.

And if the Dogs have got a better list than us then they're not doing too well with it are they!

[dcstkfc]

The way I see it:

We have a better top 8

They have a better next 20 odd

So they have better depth but can't handle our stars and gameplan

[Milan Faletic]

Heard that too and feel the same way. Not even worth dignifying.

It really is one week at a time for these journos.

Bulldogs lose by 3 points and they are written off.

All of a sudden, Adelaide and Hawthorn are the wonder teams....this week.

Quartermain was like a little boy talking about Hawthorn.

[Thinline]

Hypothetically, without their list in front of me, Bulldogs I'd have:

Boyd, Picken, Cooney, Griffen, Lake and Hall (so howl me down ).

Of them, in our current CAPITAL T TEAM I'd only probably find room for Cooney, Lake and Boyd. Hally might have made a decent stopgap for Roo...

There's something intrinsically a bit selfish and in front of the ball about em.

[AlpineStars]

Teams have worked the bulldogs out a bit, Gia and Gilbee getting tagged their best 2 users of the ball. When these two are quiet so are the Dogs.

Our list is better.

[bigred]

There's something intrinsically a bit selfish and in front of the ball about em.

Agreed.

And they have a few, who have a terrible work ethic. Including a recent brownlow medallist.

[Bernard Shakey]

I agree with them, the Dogs have a better list, but we have a better team.

[Milan Faletic]

I agree with them, the Dogs have a better list, but we have a better team.

Like it.

[Thinline]

I agree with them, the Dogs have a better list, but we have a better team.

Like it.

'cause never a truer word was spoken.

[SainterK]

I agree with them, the Dogs have a better list, but we have a better team.

Like it.

'cause never a truer word was spoken.

Nah, I'll raise you, better list and better team.

[Richter]

Does anybody remember back in 2004-5. People were saying how we had the most talented young list in the comp. We were bound to tear it up with a list bearing young emerging stars like Roo, Kosi, Ball, X, Goose, Dal etc.

Fast forward a few years. Last Sunday on the radio I heard Dal Santo say this

We know that we aren't the most talented list in the comp so we need to work harder than other teams in order to get the results we want

I was absolutely amazed to hear this. Nick Dal Santo is probably in the top 5 most skilled players in this competition and he espoused the most fervently held belief that only hard work can get you results. That is the mark of Ross Lyon. He doesn't just say this stuff. He believes it and most importantly of all he makes the players believe it.

For mine we are the most talented list in the comp.

Roo is the most talented CHF. Dal and BJ in the top 4 most talented mids (along with Ablett and Judd). Joey is an elite mid runner, and Gram A-. Lenny Hayes is the number 1 tough inside mid in the comp. Sam Fisher is an elite backman. Gilbert is not far off that. The defence as a whole is streaks ahead of the rest.

But most importantly in RL we have a coach who has elevated work ethic above all else - it's the trait that will allow these devastingly talented boys to finally realise their talent.

[stinger]

I could care less to be honest - we have the 23rd man Ross Lyon but whats your thoughts?

Pound for pound, talent wise is the Dogs list better than St Kilda?

For a start....Im not sure their midfield has an equal in terms of consistency to Hayes....sure they have the better fullback....but do they have better half backs than Fisher/Gilbert?....a utility like Goddard?

Do they have better small fwds? betters CHF?....hmmmm

Im not so sure..

i don't think so....more of our players would get a game with the dogs than vice versa......

[Teflon]

Does anybody remember back in 2004-5. People were saying how we had the most talented young list in the comp. We were bound to tear it up with a list bearing young emerging stars like Roo, Kosi, Ball, X, Goose, Dal etc.

Fast forward a few years. Last Sunday on the radio I heard Dal Santo say this

We know that we aren't the most talented list in the comp so we need to work harder than other teams in order to get the results we want

I was absolutely amazed to hear this. Nick Dal Santo is probably in the top 5 most skilled players in this competition and he espoused the most fervently held belief that only hard work can get you results. That is the mark of Ross Lyon. He doesn't just say this stuff. He believes it and most importantly of all he makes the players believe it.

For mine we are the most talented list in the comp.

Roo is the most talented CHF. Dal and BJ in the top 4 most talented mids (along with Ablett and Judd). Joey is an elite mid runner, and Gram A-. Lenny Hayes is the number 1 tough inside mid in the comp. Sam Fisher is an elite backman. Gilbert is not far off that. The defence as a whole is streaks ahead of the rest.

But most importantly in RL we have a coach who has elevated work ethic above all else - it's the trait that will allow these devastingly talented boys to finally realise their talent.

A truly good post.

Without opening old debates...lets not.....its why I was wrapped when we appointed Lyon and was such a strong supporter even when he was copping the "he just rips off Sydney".....from many on here....

Lyon sees footy as he played it - tough, uncompromising but all about hard work over "flash"....its also why I suspect Hardwick at Richmond will do ok....compared to Terry Tan Wallace.

[kosifantutti23]

Don't forget we had all those high draft picks running around on Sunday.

Riewoldt
Kosi
Ball
Clarke

[Quixote]

Perception is always 6 months behind reality in AFL.

The Dogs are seriously on the slide, and I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them finish outside the 8 next season. If not this.

I reckon they're GAWN.

[saintly]

Does anybody remember back in 2004-5. People were saying how we had the most talented young list in the comp. We were bound to tear it up with a list bearing young emerging stars like Roo, Kosi, Ball, X, Goose, Dal etc.

Fast forward a few years. Last Sunday on the radio I heard Dal Santo say this

We know that we aren't the most talented list in the comp so we need to work harder than other teams in order to get the results we want

I was absolutely amazed to hear this. Nick Dal Santo is probably in the top 5 most skilled players in this competition and he espoused the most fervently held belief that only hard work can get you results. That is the mark of Ross Lyon. He doesn't just say this stuff. He believes it and most importantly of all he makes the players believe it.

For mine we are the most talented list in the comp.

Roo is the most talented CHF. Dal and BJ in the top 4 most talented mids (along with Ablett and Judd). Joey is an elite mid runner, and Gram A-. Lenny Hayes is the number 1 tough inside mid in the comp. Sam Fisher is an elite backman. Gilbert is not far off that. The defence as a whole is streaks ahead of the rest.

But most importantly in RL we have a coach who has elevated work ethic above all else - it's the trait that will allow these devastingly talented boys to finally realise their talent.

some of the radio commentators have been syaing that we don't have the best list. they have been syaing it most of the year now. not sure why its suddenly changed from last 2 years when we did have one of the most talented lists.

[spert]

The Dogs appear to have players with excellent foot and hand skills, but in the end, they have promised a lot and never delivered when it counts. The best TEAMS are what it's really about, not a lot of show-ponies and front-runners which I suggest is where the Dogs are at compared to us.

[chook23]

The Dogs appear to have players with excellent foot and hand skills, but in the end, they have promised a lot and never delivered when it counts. The best TEAMS are what it's really about, not a lot of show-ponies and front-runners which I suggest is where the Dogs are at compared to us.

Had not realised we had delivered compared to Dogs.

[samoht]

Harbrow always seems to have his year high stats against us (around 40 running possessions).. if we somehow manage to keep him down to his yearly average game (about 20 possessions) we would beat them by another 5 goals.

[joffaboy]

Always thought teams win games not lists.

Swans 2005 was not the most talented list in the League, probably WCE Saints and Geelong miles better.

Who won the flag?

[Moods]

It's really a non event. Saints have more players who play 'roles' rather than star. Doggies are a bit more free flowing, so it looks llike they are more talented. Could there be a more subjective argument? I recall looking at the two lists in the GF last year and had to look away. I just couldn't see how we could possibly get close to the cats let alone win the game with all their stars. Fact is, we should have won that game and probably played better for the majority of the game.

The problem is - How do you a judge a list?