Collingwood 2011 Vs St Kilda 2009

[saintspremiers]

They are miles ahead of our team 2009 due to depth.

Don't kid yourself, the Pies have cruised to many victories often below full strength. We didn't have that depth in 2009.

[SainterK]

They are miles ahead of our team 2009 due to depth.

Don't kid yourself, the Pies have cruised to many victories often below full strength. We didn't have that depth in 2009.

Not convinced they do have anyone to cover Tarrant, Tarrant was covering Brown.

I suppose Goldsack stays in when Shaw returns if he doesn't come up.

However yes, they have plenty of depth in small to medium sizers.

[Dan Warna]

they just got buried by close to a 100 points by geelong.

[SaintPav]

Betting fiasco...I hope the AFL investigate this....

[robbie muir]

I don't remember us losing by 96 points in 2009.

[Dan Warna]

people are trying to find reasons why we are s*** and why everyone else is better.

I think they prefer it when we were winning wooden spoons and all the 30 year old players used to come to st kilda for a retirement year.

[clarky449]

Of Course Collingwood are better then us in 2009.

[Old Mate]

I don't remember us losing by 96 points in 2009.

The Cats lost by a similar margin v Filth in 07

[degruch]

I'm not so sure about depth, Daisy Thomas missing makes a big difference...he'll be missing next week too. Dawes is under-done, they have key injuries in their backline, and I'm not so sure Shaw is going to drop back in smoothly. Of course, we aren't perfect at the moment either, and we'll see how the Pies pull up next week. I still can't see West Coast doing much, but all of the above adds an interesting twist to what would seem a dead rubber finals campaign for the Pies.

[samoht]

This emphasises the importance of Thomas, Shaw and Leon Davis .. their dynamic half back line.
O'Brien looked like he was shellshocked too without the dynamic trio plus Maxwell back there.

No dynamic half back line (their trio missing or not at full strength)= no Collingwood.

Their half back line + Cloke is what sets Collingwood apart - Swan and Pendlebury don't provide anywhere near the run and carry of their damaging half back line.

To beat Collingwood (at full strength) you need above all to stop/subdue their run and carry from half back which requires plenty of forward pressure and requires aiming for 40 forward tackles... and you better include some quick chasing forwards.

[stevie]

I don't remember us losing by 96 points in 2009.

The Cats lost by a similar margin v Filth in 07

2008 actually. The Cats only loss until the GF

[perfectionist]

This emphasises the importance of Thomas, Shaw and Leon Davis .. their dynamic half back line.
O'Brien looked like he was shellshocked too without the dynamic trio plus Maxwell back there.

No dynamic half back line (their trio missing or not at full strength)= no Collingwood.

Their half back line + Cloke is what sets Collingwood apart - Swan and Pendlebury don't provide anywhere near the run and carry of their damaging half back line.

To beat Collingwood (at full strength) you need above all to stop/subdue their run and carry from half back which requires plenty of forward pressure and requires aiming for 40 forward tackles... and you better include some quick chasing forwards.

Yes. Good analysis. And on the last point, we actually did that in our Round 21 game. Alas, our backline (one in particular) gave the ball back in the midfield which was the difference at the end of the game. As Geelong showed last night, if you keep the ball, Collingwood don't have too many players who can take it off you. But if you hand it to them, then it will be a certain goal.

[Dan Warna]

This emphasises the importance of Thomas, Shaw and Leon Davis .. their dynamic half back line.
O'Brien looked like he was shellshocked too without the dynamic trio plus Maxwell back there.

No dynamic half back line (their trio missing or not at full strength)= no Collingwood.

Their half back line + Cloke is what sets Collingwood apart - Swan and Pendlebury don't provide anywhere near the run and carry of their damaging half back line.

To beat Collingwood (at full strength) you need above all to stop/subdue their run and carry from half back which requires plenty of forward pressure and requires aiming for 40 forward tackles... and you better include some quick chasing forwards.

Yes. Good analysis. And on the last point, we actually did that in our Round 21 game. Alas, our backline (one in particular) gave the ball back in the midfield which was the difference at the end of the game. As Geelong showed last night, if you keep the ball, Collingwood don't have too many players who can take it off you. But if he hand it to them, then it will be a certain goal.

100 point thrashing isn't due to 3 players.

They are players they make mistakes. The pies hassled st kilda into making mistakes, our attack at the ball forced them into making mistakes.

People are so quick to undervalue our performance against them a few weeks ago.

They will be rattled by this make no bones.

WCE will hit them hard.

Geelong have lost a lot a bit of talent but they are rising when they were supposed to die.

Don't undervalue the effect of RL or our players passion, although we lost by 4 goals, I think st kilda took more out of the game against collingwood than they did.

For so long the collingwood premiership was a forgone conclusion. THe pies are now looking behind them hoping that someone else takes out sydney, st kilda and Geelong with a bit of fear.

[plugger66]

This emphasises the importance of Thomas, Shaw and Leon Davis .. their dynamic half back line.
O'Brien looked like he was shellshocked too without the dynamic trio plus Maxwell back there.

No dynamic half back line (their trio missing or not at full strength)= no Collingwood.

Their half back line + Cloke is what sets Collingwood apart - Swan and Pendlebury don't provide anywhere near the run and carry of their damaging half back line.

To beat Collingwood (at full strength) you need above all to stop/subdue their run and carry from half back which requires plenty of forward pressure and requires aiming for 40 forward tackles... and you better include some quick chasing forwards.

Yes. Good analysis. And on the last point, we actually did that in our Round 21 game. Alas, our backline (one in particular) gave the ball back in the midfield which was the difference at the end of the game. As Geelong showed last night, if you keep the ball, Collingwood don't have too many players who can take it off you. But if he hand it to them, then it will be a certain goal.

100 point thrashing isn't due to 3 players.

They are players they make mistakes. The pies hassled st kilda into making mistakes, our attack at the ball forced them into making mistakes.

People are so quick to undervalue our performance against them a few weeks ago.

They will be rattled by this make no bones.

WCE will hit them hard.

Geelong have lost a lot a bit of talent but they are rising when they were supposed to die.

Don't undervalue the effect of RL or our players passion, although we lost by 4 goals, I think st kilda took more out of the game against collingwood than they did.

For so long the collingwood premiership was a forgone conclusion. THe pies are now looking behind them hoping that someone else takes out sydney, st kilda and Geelong with a bit of fear.

If you really think that was a true 100 point thrashing then you and everyone else who believes that should now have the pies completely out of the premiership race. I rate that loss as about as important as our loss to Adelaide last round last year. Even though it was a much bigger margin the game meant nothing for the pies. Zero. Geelong were struggling a bit and once they got on a role and there was no fight from the pies the margin blew out. I expect the Pies to beat WCE by about 10 goals next week and then we will completely forget this game. After a 100 defeat I would think you would be thinking the exact opposite result as the pies are again playing a top 4 side coming off 100 point loss. Anyway I get no joy with Geelong being inform because I still think we are more likely to play them before the pies if we get over Sydney next week.

[samoht]

I think- the game meant a fair bit to Collingwood but they lost the all important run and carry from their half back line.(with Thomas, Shaw and Davis missing)- plus Maxwell makes 4 important players out of their backline.

The backline is clearly what sets Collingwood apart - let there be no doubt now.

Also ..O'Brien looked scared and wasn't anywhere as effective as usual without the usual support.
What semblance remained of their backline was under attack and wilted...and finally capitulated.

At full strength their backline (with the run and carry) probably adds 8 goals to their score and stops 8 goals from being scored against them - a 16 goal turnaround from last night.

If they had last nights backline (over the season) .. Collingwood would probably be sitting outside the 8 - with 10 wins and a percentage below 100%.

To beat the Pies you need to subdue tackle and chase the heck out of their halfbackline - but they didn't have that weapon to use against the Cats anyway.

[SainterK]

Well they won't have Thomas next week either, Shaw will be back after missing 8 weeks, Leon will have to face finals football again, and I'm not convinced Maxwell will come back.

[plugger66]

Well they won't have Thomas next week either, Shaw will be back after missing 8 weeks, Leon will have to face finals football again, and I'm not convinced Maxwell will come back.

And thats why I think they will onlt win by 10 goals next week.

[samoht]

Well they won't have Thomas next week either, Shaw will be back after missing 8 weeks, Leon will have to face finals football again, and I'm not convinced Maxwell will come back.

Even if Davis fails in the finals .. they still have the core group (at the next stage of the finals) of
Shaw , Thomas, Johnson and O'Brien who gave them plenty of run and carry last year.

Maxwell (if he doesn't return) will be a loss.

They will get back to a near full strength backline -but they will need to fight hard for the flag this year - it's no longer a foregone conclusion and hopefully their backline remains unsettled.

[sainterjo]

Blow, blow, blow a goat
'Cos you're Collingwood
Footy's great when you are crap
And awful when you're good.