Just a thought - Did Walls help Lyon - a theory.....

[sainter173]

Does anyone here reckon Robert Walls knew Ross Lyon was talking to Fremantle?

Walls mentioned publicly, whether on radio, in his column for The Age newspaper, and on Network 10 (particularly, One Week At A Time) - that Lyon should leave St Kilda for Melbourne for a multi million dollar deal - which is what many people thought was going to happen for weeks, even months. It got repeated so often in the media - no one considered Fremantle - in fact, the only other non-St Kilda deal that was mentioned publicly a couple of times, was Carlton.

I'm not a person for these theories - I just wonder if Walls did his friend, Lyon, a favour by publicly bringing up the concept of Lyon going to Melbourne.

At the same time, Lyon can use St Kilda and Melbourne to negotiate with Fremantle a 4 year, multi million dollar deal.

Compare roughly the public Melbourne option, and the private Fremantle deal:

Fremantle - No Schwab/Connolly, no financial issues, great list of young players, and a few older champions. Great resources.

Melbourne - Schwab/Connolly/power struggles, very raw group of players, player/administration issues, money situation questionable, etc.....

Ladies and Gentlemen, do you seriously think Ross Lyon did this deal all by himself without anyone knowing - surely someone was quietly advising and encouraging him to go to Western Australia. (And publicly putting out a red herring).

Just a thought ...... what do you think?

[spert]

Melbourne is metaphor for Fremantle

[whiskers3614]

Whislt on the subject of conpiracies.-Was Lyon a Collingwood mole. Consider his treatment of Ball and Hudghton in 09 GF and subsequent departures.Also selections for GF replay 2010 i.e Eddy bad enough to delist but good enough to play injured in replay??In view of this weeks events I would put absolutely nothing beyond this PARASITE!

[3rd generation saint]

One thing is puzzling, according to Freo and RL the first approach was Sept 4, then about a week later, the serious offer, all done in one night, then bang gone.
Now can anyone believe that Ross then suddenly went to his wife and kids and said, "Hey Guess what, we're all moving to Perth this weekend."
Somehow, I don't think his wife would be impressed, and that's why I have doubts on the timeline.

[SteveStevens66]

One thing is puzzling, according to Freo and RL the first approach was Sept 4, then about a week later, the serious offer, all done in one night, then bang gone.
Now can anyone believe that Ross then suddenly went to his wife and kids and said, "Hey Guess what, we're all moving to Perth this weekend."
Somehow, I don't think his wife would be impressed, and that's why I have doubts on the timeline.

Maybe the wife is one of his "role players." He tells her where she'll be playing and she just does it. No questions asked.

[saintbrat]

Craig kelly on radio yesteday morning
http://www.radiosportnat.com.au/audiopl ... 129126.mp3

said he missed one clue- told Ross Tue or wed( before Thursday) of the saints offer.. ( saints heard nothing so would have been going into Thursday thinking he was thinking about it

But Ross had told ESP to 'sit on it'

so wednesday sees his team-
knows the saints have offered
contacts Freo to see what counter offer is
says yes to counter offer Thursday
and the rest is now history

[SaintPav]

Craig kelly on radio yesteday morning
http://www.radiosportnat.com.au/audiopl ... 129126.mp3

said he missed one clue- told Ross Tue or wed( before Thursday) of the saints offer.. ( saints heard nothing so would have been going into Thursday thinking he was thinking about it

But Ross had told ESP to 'sit on it'

so wednesday sees his team-
knows the saints have offered
contacts Freo to see what counter offer is
says yes to counter offer Thursday
and the rest is now history

What about the supposed text message agreeing to the deal and the press conf on Thursday moring at 11am? That sounds NQR now.

[bobmurray]

Whislt on the subject of conpiracies.-Was Lyon a Collingwood mole. Consider his treatment of Ball and Hudghton in 09 GF and subsequent departures.Also selections for GF replay 2010 i.e Eddy bad enough to delist but good enough to play injured in replay??In view of this weeks events I would put absolutely nothing beyond this PARASITE!

I don't think he was a Collingwood mole but like a lot of people associated with Collingwood he is definitely a conniving c*n*

[Dr Spaceman]

One thing is puzzling, according to Freo and RL the first approach was Sept 4, then about a week later, the serious offer, all done in one night, then bang gone.
Now can anyone believe that Ross then suddenly went to his wife and kids and said, "Hey Guess what, we're all moving to Perth this weekend."
Somehow, I don't think his wife would be impressed, and that's why I have doubts on the timeline.

Maybe the wife is one of his "role players." He tells her where she'll be playing and she just does it. No questions asked.

[rosie185]

Does anyone here reckon Robert Walls knew Ross Lyon was talking to Fremantle?

Walls mentioned publicly, whether on radio, in his column for The Age newspaper, and on Network 10 (particularly, One Week At A Time) - that Lyon should leave St Kilda for Melbourne for a multi million dollar deal - which is what many people thought was going to happen for weeks, even months. It got repeated so often in the media - no one considered Fremantle - in fact, the only other non-St Kilda deal that was mentioned publicly a couple of times, was Carlton.

I'm not a person for these theories - I just wonder if Walls did his friend, Lyon, a favour by publicly bringing up the concept of Lyon going to Melbourne.

At the same time, Lyon can use St Kilda and Melbourne to negotiate with Fremantle a 4 year, multi million dollar deal.

Compare roughly the public Melbourne option, and the private Fremantle deal:

Fremantle - No Schwab/Connolly, no financial issues, great list of young players, and a few older champions. Great resources.

Melbourne - Schwab/Connolly/power struggles, very raw group of players, player/administration issues, money situation questionable, etc.....

Ladies and Gentlemen, do you seriously think Ross Lyon did this deal all by himself without anyone knowing - surely someone was quietly advising and encouraging him to go to Western Australia. (And publicly putting out a red herring).

Just a thought ...... what do you think?

I think Robert walls son works for Freo Football Club

[mr six o'clock]

One thing is puzzling, according to Freo and RL the first approach was Sept 4, then about a week later, the serious offer, all done in one night, then bang gone.
Now can anyone believe that Ross then suddenly went to his wife and kids and said, "Hey Guess what, we're all moving to Perth this weekend."
Somehow, I don't think his wife would be impressed, and that's why I have doubts on the timeline.

yes , the timeline's the key . No way it could have all happened in 72 hours , he must have had the lawyer ready to go at the end of the season to field offers , therefore he must have always been looking to leave , whilst he new he had value in the marketplace.

[bergholt]

yes , the timeline's the key . No way it could have all happened in 72 hours , he must have had the lawyer ready to go at the end of the season to field offers , therefore he must have always been looking to leave , whilst he new he had value in the marketplace.

crap, of course it could have happened in 72 hours. it's pretty easy to find a lawyer in this town, especially if you're attached to afl footy. that'd take him about three phone calls. then it would take a decent lawyer an hour or less to review the contract, another hour to go back and forward a couple of times, maybe a few hours total to get it acceptable?

that gives lyon a day or so to tell his family and consider their decision. if i tell my wife we've got a job offer for twice as much money, but we've got to move to perth for a few years (having just moved back down from sydney a few years ago), it's not going to take her that long to say "hell yeah".

so within two days of receiving the initial offer you could easily have reviewed it, negotiated it and told all stakeholders about the decision. 48 hours, i reckon. 72 hours is actually longer than that.

[SaintPav]

Of course Walls helped Lyon. He was the first one to put it out there that he should seek greener pastures and helped get the issue top of mind through his articles, radio work and on One HD.

Ross was all for making announcements to the market and sending out signals. Walls was the one who kept banging on about his get out clause. How the hell does a clause in a confidential commercial agreement get out in the public? If that's not a signal to the market that I am open to offers, then what is?

Also, Walls nearly lost the friendship of Paul Roos after writing a piece about the Swans in 2005 or so. After that, he clearly stated that he would never jepordise a friendship through his opinion pieces again.

The point is that he looks after his mates and IMO, this was all intentional.

It's all a big game and the average AFL supporter is a massive sucker.