Pelchen

[On the Ball]

Quite ironic that Pelchen started working on free agency with the AFL about 10 years ago whilst he was at Port Adelaide. So now he has made his mark on the industry with one of 'his' players being the first big name to roll.

[thejiggingsaint]

Interesting and ironic. The point however regarding Chris Pelchen is how he can help us win a flag? FWIW I think Lyon going, and also to a degree BJ, and a new coach with a plan to build the football club into a competetive YOUNG side, makes for exciting times ahead for us.

[gringo]

I heard the Hawks ceo speaking on GF day and he was talking about the planning that went into the list they now have. they jumped early when they beat the cats but they had a genuine 5 year GF plan and a cohesive list management structure.

Pelchen has had experience in the field and should be able to see the big picture plan through. There will be some mistakes along the way but we have had a shocking run with draft picks, development and even getting in players from outside. Lyon got in Schnides and Dempster but pretty much since then every one else has been a fail. Steven and Armo were there for him.

[Zed]

I heard the Hawks ceo speaking on GF day and he was talking about the planning that went into the list they now have. they jumped early when they beat the cats but they had a genuine 5 year GF plan and a cohesive list management structure.

Does that mean 2013 is the 2nd year of our 5 year plan ?

[SainterK]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

[jimmy_slats]

I heard the Hawks ceo speaking on GF day and he was talking about the planning that went into the list they now have. they jumped early when they beat the cats but they had a genuine 5 year GF plan and a cohesive list management structure.

Does that mean 2013 is the 2nd year of our 5 year plan ?

id say 3rd and think losing lying was a maybe due to some reservations he had about the plan...

[8856brother]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

I'm trying to hold my concerns until after the end of the trade period K. It has started off extremely sad, but let's judge him on the whole process when complete. I have a feeling in my gut that we may all be quite chuffed with who we get and the picks we end up with.

Think Saad and Milera for pretty much nothing.

I'm sure he likes tall defenders, but good ones don't grow on trees.

[gringo]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

The thing is you entrust people to do the job on behalf of the club anyway. Getting people in specific roles seems sensible to me. Ross was a great match day coach but outside that he was a compromise.

GT the same, he had good qualities but they were stretched by overseeing to many roles with in the club. Professional clubs delegate roles out to people with solid experience and track records.

He seems to work well with Watters so far so just have to grit my teeth and hope he's got some skill. Ross Lyon is probably a better coach now than when he started and Pelchen might be better for losing quality players. Overall the club has taken the things that Collingwood and Hawthorn do and incorporated it into our system.

The incorporation of sandy into planning was like the Box Hill Hawks and the development and academy look straight out of the Pies. I think his tall defender thing is just because none were available. Not a prejudice, he doesn't seem to take players he doesn't intend to have on the list in 5 years.

[saintspremiers]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

He can't be by any worse than what we've had!

I think Finey on SEN said another high profile Saints player is being traded to secure Caddy and someone else from GC.

I'm thinking Joey will go. Just a gut feel.

I like the idea of losing a few top liners if it secures something in return.

[samuraisaint]

Would that somone else be Tom Hickey perchance?

[Dis Believer]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

He can't be by any worse than what we've had!

I think Finey on SEN said another high profile Saints player is being traded to secure Caddy and someone else from GC.

I'm thinking Joey will go. Just a gut feel.

I like the idea of losing a few top liners if it secures something in return.

Have heard a number of times that GC are into Raph Clarke for a role as a HF........him for Hickey?

[matrix]

ummm
joey just signed

so maybe faz or rapha?

[Dis Believer]

ummm
joey just signed

so maybe faz or rapha?

You'd think Rapha would be a better fit. Bit bigger, solid body, fits the age demographic they're lacking in, has some skills, and some deficiencies. I would like to see Raoh given an extended run up front for us, still reckon it's his natural position.

[matrix]

yup
agree TB
think he can kick a distance, can take a mark and has no probs going up second man in a contest so you know at the very least he'll bring it to ground
id like to keep him on the list myself

ahhhh trade time
always nervous but its always exciting to see who goes where

[SainterK]

Still hearing Caddy is heading to the Cats?

[linmarnic]

We have a true and tried professional heading up our list management. I don't think we ever had someone of Pelchen's ilk in a similar role before, so why don't we give him a chance. He has a plan/strategy and we need to trust in it. The club and Watters believe in it. Pelchen is not infallible naturally but so far he has done a good job overall.

[Con Gorozidis]

We have a true and tried professional heading up our list management. I don't think we ever had someone of Pelchen's ilk in a similar role before, so why don't we give him a chance. He has a plan/strategy and we need to trust in it. The club and Watters believe in it. Pelchen is not infallible naturally but so far he has done a good job overall.

Ill say one thing - pelchgen wouldnt have signed those f*cking kosi and gram contracts 3 years ago. total albatrosses around our necks.

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

ummm
joey just signed

so maybe faz or rapha?

Just because he he resigned doesnt mean he cant be traded...

[matrix]

really
wow


so why would you bother agreeing to terms and conditions two weeks out and then palm him off as soon as the trade window is open?

if this happens then god knows what the muppets are doing down there

[SainterK]

really
wow


so why would you bother agreeing to terms and conditions two weeks out and then palm him off as soon as the trade window is open?

if this happens then god knows what the muppets are doing down there

He is known for that kind of stuff though M.

I doubt it's Joey though.

Could he have contemplated trading Gilbert to the GC at some point?

Dunno, because the more I hear, the more I don't think Caddy is coming to the Saints anyhow.

[Dis Believer]

really
wow


so why would you bother agreeing to terms and conditions two weeks out and then palm him off as soon as the trade window is open?

if this happens then god knows what the muppets are doing down there

He is known for that kind of stuff though M.

I doubt it's Joey though.

Could he have contemplated trading Gilbert to the GC at some point?

Dunno, because the more I hear, the more I don't think Caddy is coming to the Saints anyhow.

SK - there's now three strong rumours about Caddy - one is he's DEFINITE to Carlton, one is he's DEFINITE to Geelong, and one is he's DEFINITELY not to Saints. Given the reliability of rumours in past trade periods, I would go out and buy the Caddy badge for your duffel coat now if I were you...

[Little Dozer]

In the Pelican we trust!

[SaintTom]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

He can't be by any worse than what we've had!

I think Finey on SEN said another high profile Saints player is being traded to secure Caddy and someone else from GC.

I'm thinking Joey will go. Just a gut feel.

I like the idea of losing a few top liners if it secures something in return.

I like the sound of it, tbh. Is this Finey talking as a speculator or Finey talking from something he's heard and therefore reporting?

Seriously, if we come out of this draft with Caddy, and to a lesser extent Hickey, it's been a successful offseason from a recruitment point of view.

[Richter]

If I was to be honest, he makes me nervous.

I guess it's the fact we've handed over the keys....

I keep reminding myself he put together premiership sides, but he's had his fair share of boo-boos as well.

Seems in recent years more capable in picking up players from other clubs / mature age guys?

Doesn't appear to like tall defenders though.

You know what SainterK, I really respect your balanced view! We are at risk of jumping on this guy as being our latest 'messiah'. However, a few things reassure me...

- firstly there appears to be a group approach being taken to these decisions... both Scotty and Pelchen have been out defending the Goddard decision (not to match).. and interestingly they mentioned a 'TPP (Total Player Payments) committee

- this also gels with the expanded football dept in general, in which the strategy is one of continual development and renewal

BJ leaving is sad, but it fits with the idea of development... i.e. get a pick, renew your list and put some $$ away for future free agents/trades and/or to address other needs

[White Winmar]

In the Pelican we trust!

The only problem with the Pelican is he comes with an enormous bill. Boom! Tish!