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Four second round picks

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Round one: zero picks
Round two: 25, 26, 41, 44
Round three: zero picks
Round four: 77
Round five: 95

So most likely we'll use all four second round picks, 77 will be used on upgrading Dunell and that'll be it?


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Easily our best position in the draft for a long time, despite not having a first-rounder.

Particularly if this is a deep draft.

We have a real chance to get some quality young kids, particularly with 25 & 26.

It's a positive.


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Who gets delisted if we use all four picks?


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Re: Four second round picks

Post: # 1278081Post Dr Spaceman »

Legendary wrote:Easily our best position in the draft for a long time, despite not having a first-rounder.

Particularly if this is a deep draft.

We have a real chance to get some quality young kids, particularly with 25 & 26.

It's a positive.
Not too bad at all with Lee and Hickey already on board :)


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WinnersOnly wrote:Who gets delisted if we use all four picks?

Raph and Blake are in trouble and they could downgrade Winmar. Does that give us enough if we promote one rookie?


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WinnersOnly wrote:Who gets delisted if we use all four picks?
If we use all four picks and promote Dunell then we need five spots. Currently it's like this:

OUT: Cripps, Crocker, Goddard, Peake, Polo, Archer (r)
IN: Dennis-Lane, Hickey, Lee

Five out, three in which leaves two spare spot. We need five spare spots so three have to go. The first two might be Blake and Clarke - despite no tall defender coming in - and maybe Winmar demoted to the rookie list? Or CJ? Lever or Webster dumped or demoted to the rookie list?

It's weird - feels like we don't have that much depth and yet it's tight for spots on the list.
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OUT:
Peake
Polo
Crocker
Goddard
Cripps

IN:
Lee
Hickey
TDL

2 spots available with Blake and Clarke still not offered a contract, so I'd assume both will be delisted so that we can use 25,26,41,44 in the draft. Possibly one more delisting to upgrade Dunell or Curren.


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I would think Blake would have to stay as we still do not have a big backman yet and with the salary cap bonus for veterans basically if Blake was on $120,000 for the season it would only count as $8000 on the TPP , where as a rookie would be around $40 -$60 K min on the cap space.

Clarke gone, Winmar rookied


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From another thread.
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older saint wrote:I would think Blake would have to stay as we still do not have a big backman yet and with the salary cap bonus for veterans basically if Blake was on $120,000 for the season it would only count as $8000 on the TPP , where as a rookie would be around $40 -$60 K min on the cap space.

Clarke gone, Winmar rookied
But there's not enough spots to use all our picks then. Who else goes?


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Dr Spaceman wrote:
Legendary wrote:Easily our best position in the draft for a long time, despite not having a first-rounder.

Particularly if this is a deep draft.

We have a real chance to get some quality young kids, particularly with 25 & 26.

It's a positive.
Not too bad at all with Lee and Hickey already on board :)

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With Goddard gone, I would hope any decision would not need to be based on the TPP surely the one bright spot in his leaving is it must have left some space in the cap.


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We probably saved a fair bit of salary cap by not getting Brown.

Can somebody explain what happened to pick 57? Why dont we have it now?


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How does the veteran list rule work? How many veterans, under the new rule, can be "outside" the list?

57 went to Gold Coast as part of the Hickey deal.


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And dont forget to add Farren Ray to the out list.


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Post: # 1278163Post Dr Spaceman »

borderbarry wrote:And dont forget to add Farren Ray to the out list.
Why? Where's he going?


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Ray is contracted.


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borderbarry wrote:And dont forget to add Farren Ray to the out list.

Fahren Ray is staying with the Saints. Pretty sure he is contracted.


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borderbarry wrote:And dont forget to add Farren Ray to the out list.
no he will sign on with stkilda he didnt get traded he wont be delisted.


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Ralphy wrote:
borderbarry wrote:And dont forget to add Farren Ray to the out list.
no he will sign on with stkilda he didnt get traded he wont be delisted.

He wont sign with us. he already has.


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bergholt wrote:
older saint wrote:I would think Blake would have to stay as we still do not have a big backman yet and with the salary cap bonus for veterans basically if Blake was on $120,000 for the season it would only count as $8000 on the TPP , where as a rookie would be around $40 -$60 K min on the cap space.

Clarke gone, Winmar rookied
But there's not enough spots to use all our picks then. Who else goes?
We only had 38 players on the senior list last year - but we could have had 40. There's your other two picks.

Still leaves us a choice of two of these...

#44, Blake, upgrade Dunell.

I'd like to keep Blake as FB depth... but I'd prefer to upgrade Dunell.


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older saint wrote:I would think Blake would have to stay as we still do not have a big backman yet and with the salary cap bonus for veterans basically if Blake was on $120,000 for the season it would only count as $8000 on the TPP , where as a rookie would be around $40 -$60 K min on the cap space.

Clarke gone, Winmar rookied
Can we do this?

Do we have to formally de-list him then pick him up again on the rookie list?

Would allow us to keep Blake AND upgrade Dunell AND use #44.


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bergholt wrote:Round one: zero picks
Round two: 25, 26, 41, 44
Round three: zero picks
Round four: 77
Round five: 95

So most likely we'll use all four second round picks, 77 will be used on upgrading Dunell and that'll be it?
Suely CURREN deserves to be upgrade also - its time to get AFL games into him so he is ready to take over from JONES in 2014.


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plugger66 wrote:
WinnersOnly wrote:Who gets delisted if we use all four picks?

Raph and Blake are in trouble and they could downgrade Winmar. Does that give us enough if we promote one rookie?
How exactly does this happen? Winmar is a contracted senior list player for next year.


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Hemi Baxter wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
WinnersOnly wrote:Who gets delisted if we use all four picks?

Raph and Blake are in trouble and they could downgrade Winmar. Does that give us enough if we promote one rookie?
How exactly does this happen? Winmar is a contracted senior list player for next year.

Yes so he is till a contracted Saints player.


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