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We want the kids to play and have honourable defeats

Post: # 1362124Post sainterinsydney »

All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.


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Post: # 1362127Post Con Gorozidis »

sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.
As long as our % stays above 80 - im happy if we dont win any more


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sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.


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Post: # 1362131Post MC Gusto »

Agree with the OP.
Tank
Trade like pelican has never traded before. Load up on dp's and if possible FA quality but do not go overs and list clog just because we have cap space now. The definition of stupidity is repeating past actions / mistakes and expecting it to be different 'this time'
Another season at the bottom in 14
Same as above once more
Aim for the top from there


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Post: # 1362135Post suss »

plugger66 wrote:
sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.
You're on your Pat Malone.


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suss wrote:
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sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.
You're on your Pat Malone.

I bet im not and i also bet 90% of saints fans going to game hope they win that game. Well they bloody well should. Aftyer they lose then fine, look for the positives but i can see to many people barracking for Carlton last week if they followed us. if they were then I reckon they have issues.


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Post: # 1362180Post SinCitySainter »

Sorry, I am with Plugger. I never want to see us deliberately losing games.
Try your best every time and let the chips fall where they may.
I don't believe we ever tanked, we were horrible sure but we did not tank.
I have followed this club for well, lets just say I am old enough to have seen us win the big one.
During that time I have seen humiliated and pummelled but I have always left with my head held high.
I could not do that if I felt we deliberately went out to lose.


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Post: # 1362187Post Con Gorozidis »

Noone is suggesting we try and lose.
If we try and win we wont wont win but we will get close.


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Noone is suggesting we try and lose.
If we try and win we wont wont win but we will get close.
So did you barrack for us last week or just barrack we got close? Im afraid i dont get it. Certainly not during or before a game.


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Post: # 1362191Post 8856brother »

I hope they win every game. When they don't though I couldn't give a rats. There are absolutly no positives in us winning any more games this year. Pretend there is, but there isn't. It will compromise our draft position.

Will anyone remember a fantastic win against Port this week next year. No players will be scared for life. Trust me. There is only one way to get the best young talent in the country. Ask skunk fans whether it was worth a year of pain when they picked up Pendelbury and Thomas.


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suss wrote:
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sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.
You're on your Pat Malone.
No he is not.

Who says it is better for the "kids" to lose all the time than the "kids" win a few games, get their confidence in the own game going, and improve as a team, than getting beaten all the time?

I want to see us win as many as possible with the kids being the driving force behind those wins.

If we miss out on Aish or Scharenberg so be it. Maybe we might miss out on them and get a Lenny instead.


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Post: # 1362203Post 8856brother »

joffaboy wrote:
suss wrote:
plugger66 wrote:

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.
You're on your Pat Malone.
No he is not.

Who says it is better for the "kids" to lose all the time than the "kids" win a few games, get their confidence in the own game going, and improve as a team, than getting beaten all the time?

I want to see us win as many as possible with the kids being the driving force behind those wins.

If we miss out on Aish or Scharenberg so be it. Maybe we might miss out on them and get a Lenny instead.
Any win from now on could be mean picking up a Kosi instead of a Rooey. That's the way I look at it. Harsh, but real.


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Post: # 1362214Post desertsaint »

Sorry, I'm with plugger - play the kids, but I want them to win every game they can.


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Fat lot of good it did Melbourne


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Post: # 1362229Post Stephen Theodore »

suss wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.
You're on your Pat Malone.
No he's not. I want my team to win every week. Have watched teams supposedly tanking over the years, and haven't seen a lot of success, Demons, Carlton supposedly tanking to recruit Kreuzer, haven't seen anything startling with him to warrant tanking.

No, go out and win, and if not, well hopefully the kids will add a positive spin to the loss.


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Post: # 1362230Post kosifantutti »

sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.
Don't presume to speak for everyone.

I'll be going to see us win.


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Post: # 1362233Post SaintPav »

Careful what you wish for. Look what it did for Melbourne and no one wants to develop a losing culture.

Losing every game from here on will not be good for morale or team culture.

The Dogs are still trying to win and a win every 3 or 4 weeks isn't going to kill our draft chances. Sat night's game is game we should be hoping to win.


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Post: # 1362240Post Bernard Shakey »

suss wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
sainterinsydney wrote:All we want are for the kids to keep getting a game, and show promise. Honourable defeats are the desired outcome for every game until the end of the season--we do not want to win. Winning a meaningless game at the end of the season could mean missing out on Aish or Scharenberg. Even though it is painful to want to see your team lose, the best outcome for the club, long term, is to not win another game this season.

You may not want them to win but I will be hoping they win every game they play this season.
You're on your Pat Malone.
No he's not.


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Stephen Theodore wrote: No he's not. I want my team to win every week. Have watched teams supposedly tanking over the years, and haven't seen a lot of success, Demons, Carlton supposedly tanking to recruit Kreuzer, haven't seen anything startling with him to warrant tanking.

No, go out and win, and if not, well hopefully the kids will add a positive spin to the loss.
I agree ST, I want to see the joy on the faces of the young blokes (and everyone else) when we sing the song. A couple of draft places is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and no guarantee of getting the gun you think they are.


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Post: # 1362251Post bergsone »

I always want to win.regardless


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Post: # 1362255Post saintspremiers »

I want us to finish 16th to optimize draft picks, but I want us to win this week.

Look at the draw - realistically we aren't going to beat many other teams this year. If you're afraid that a win on Saturday is going to seriously hurt our chances of 16th I think it's a bit over the top.


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Post: # 1362262Post ralphsmith »

dont fall into this ridiculous notion we need to tank and we will inevitably come out the other end winning grand finals

melbourne has fallen into a quagmire they cant get out of trying that

it is dangerous dangerous

our guys still come into games with a lot of tenacity, we look good for about 1 quarter then fade away.
if the loser culture grows and ggrows we will lose that tenacity and just get destroyed every week like melbourne

remember max hudghton crying? it is a world of despair that is very hard to escape from


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Post: # 1362268Post Munga »

Stuff tanking. I think we ARE playing our best available at the moment and trying to win. Great to see.


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8856brother wrote:[ny win from now on could be mean picking up a Kosi instead of a Rooey. That's the way I look at it. Harsh, but real.
So a player who has played nearly 200 games for the club, fracturing his skull in the process, is just ridiculed by you :roll:

Nice attitude toward a great St.Kilda clubman.

Tell you something for free, would rather a Kosi who has bled red white and black than a muppet No.1 like Sculley who pisses off at the drop of a hat.

You seriously think getting pick #4 instead of pick #3 is going to make any difference to the team over the next two or so seasons?

As someone said, you instill a loser culture you end up looking like Melbourne. How has Scully and Watts worked out for them again?

You wouldn't know for years if we had a Roo or Kosi.

Anyway considering Kosi won the rising star award and Roo was hardly sighted in season one, I bet you would have been singing Kosi's praises ahead of Roo's.


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Post: # 1362277Post bigcarl »

SinCitySainter wrote:Sorry, I am with Plugger. I never want to see us deliberately losing games.
Try your best every time and let the chips fall where they may.
Yep. And if we finish with a No. 3 pick rather than a No. 1, choose a Judd rather than a Ball.


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