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For those that say we should trade big boy!

Post: # 1363313Post saintfox »

Get a grip, this man has class written all over him future captain, kept us in it till half time....


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Post: # 1363316Post SainterK »

I must need new glasses.

I love the kids work rate, I love his determination, but to me he is completely out of sync...leaps early...and not shaping up as the 'ruckman' I hoped he'd be.

Different story if you want to talk about his effectiveness around the ground.

Ben is a forward trapped in a 'big boy' body


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Post: # 1363322Post Munga »

He seems a better ruckman when he doesn't jump. Just stay on the ground and take position in front of the other ruckman.
And now he's actually getting forward and marking!
However, it's probably not his fault but for the third time this year he was the last man chasing down an opposition goal from a kick in.

It was great leadership pushing Armo off the ground when he'd been ko'd. He was in no condition to stay on. Great game all round.


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Post: # 1363332Post 8856brother »

SainterK wrote:I must need new glasses.

I love the kids work rate, I love his determination, but to me he is completely out of sync...leaps early...and not shaping up as the 'ruckman' I hoped he'd be.

Different story if you want to talk about his effectiveness around the ground.

Ben is a forward trapped in a 'big boy' body
You are always very tough on him. I thought he was fantastic tonight. You don't miss him often. Get the impression he's not one of your favorites. Don't see too many comments from you about Geary's ball use. :wink:

Ben is a ruckman IMO.


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Post: # 1363339Post SainterK »

8856brother wrote:
SainterK wrote:I must need new glasses.

I love the kids work rate, I love his determination, but to me he is completely out of sync...leaps early...and not shaping up as the 'ruckman' I hoped he'd be.

Different story if you want to talk about his effectiveness around the ground.

Ben is a forward trapped in a 'big boy' body
You are always very tough on him. I thought he was fantastic tonight. You don't miss him often. Get the impression he's not one of your favorites. Don't see too many comments from you about Geary's ball use. :wink:

Ben is a ruckman IMO.
I don't think I'm overly tough on him.

He has great character, and drive...no question.

They need to get him a specialist coach or something, just don't know how he still doesn't have timing after this long.

I'd love to see him start in the 50 next week


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Post: # 1363342Post ROLS-LEE »

I agree with sainterk, but Ben did have his second best game for the season. Hope he continues.


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Post: # 1363344Post ROLS-LEE »

I agree with sainterk, but Ben did have his second best game for the season. Hope he continues.


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Post: # 1363345Post BigMart »

Ben is a good Ruckman (couple of poor weeks prior) and does what I like good ruckmen to do, take contested marks...

Centre taps = overrated stat

Only measured stat with no correlation to victory.... It's nice to win them, but even when you do.... Only 15-25% go to advantage....


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Post: # 1363353Post Greg T »

Certainly would never trade him, as I think he can improve substainly
He hasn't set the world on fire in 2013'
Don't Think he's Captsin material either at this stage.


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Post: # 1363356Post Enrico_Misso »

Ben was much better tonight.
Hickey on the other hand struggled.


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Post: # 1363372Post ROLS-LEE »

BigMart wrote:Ben is a good Ruckman (couple of poor weeks prior) and does what I like good ruckmen to do, take contested marks...

Centre taps = overrated stat

Only measured stat with no correlation to victory.... It's nice to win them, but even when you do.... Only 15-25% go to advantage....
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True but how many premierships have been won without a dominate ruck. Not many.
Also Ben has not statistically improved since 2011 but if he can perform like he did tonight every night, then I wouldn't be on his back


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Post: # 1363389Post bigcarl »

However, it's probably not his fault but for the third time this year he was the last man chasing down an opposition goal from a kick in.
everyone else gives in too easily


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Post: # 1363408Post BigMart »

How many premierships have been won without a dominant many positions?! Mids mainly?

Maybe look at correlation of AA Ruckman vs Premiership...

Greg Dear, Ryan Turnbull, John Barnes, Clarke Keating, not even sure about Hawthorn 08, Matthew Cauano...


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Post: # 1363418Post Con Gorozidis »

Be played well - but seems to play 1 good game 4 bad. 1 good 4 bad
repeat


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