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best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438806Post jimmy_slats »

A mate and i were discussing the other day who was our best ruckmen since spider and it really only comes down to 2 in my eyes Gardner and Big Boy McEvoy...
I said gardy he said McEvoy what do you guys think or anyone eles?


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438810Post Bernard Shakey »

Gardiner by a country mile. McEvoy is a crap ruck man.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438811Post whiskers3614 »

Even though Gardiner was past his best by the time he got to us he was much of the reason for our improvement in 2009.
Ben has improved and if he continues to do so for another 20 years he will be almost as good as Gardiner.
Ben may be a better person but as ruckmen the comparison is like that of a water pistol to a cannon!


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438812Post Junior »

Gardiner by the length of the Flemington straight.

Loved the Big Boy but not in the same class.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438814Post Con Gorozidis »

Gardiner by a country mile.
Remember some games and finals he was just massive for us .
Super player.
Pulled in big marks inside 50.
Can't remember Macca ever taking a grab inside 50.
No comparison.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438834Post desertsaint »

Where''s ackland in this thread?
but seriously, even king, few times that he did play, old age and all, was a far better ruckman for us than mcevoy.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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Bernard Shakey wrote:Gardiner by a country mile. McEvoy is a crap ruck man.
Totally agree...


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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McEvoy....

Explain why Gardiner was better?

Gardy was serviceable but past his best

McEvoy was servicable... And played more games


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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Bernard Shakey wrote:Gardiner by a country mile. McEvoy is a crap ruck man.
Totally agree - great ruckman, aggressive had a presence and could kick a goal. He going down really hurt us when it counted...


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438846Post plugger66 »

BigMart wrote:McEvoy....

Explain why Gardiner was better?

Gardy was serviceable but past his best

McEvoy was servicable... And played more games

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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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WinnersOnly wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:Gardiner by a country mile. McEvoy is a crap ruck man.
Totally agree - great ruckman, aggressive had a presence and could kick a goal. He going down really hurt us when it counted...

Pretty sure it helped us that day.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438858Post CURLY »

People forget we went into the second 2010 GF without our number 1 ruck.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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plugger66 wrote:
WinnersOnly wrote:
Bernard Shakey wrote:Gardiner by a country mile. McEvoy is a crap ruck man.
Totally agree - great ruckman, aggressive had a presence and could kick a goal. He going down really hurt us when it counted...

Pretty sure it helped us that day.
It helped Kosi that's for sure


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438863Post CURLY »

Didnt really help as it left Roo one out as Kosi rucked and in the follow up game Kosi was shot.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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CURLY wrote:Didnt really help as it left Roo one out as Kosi rucked and in the follow up game Kosi was shot.

My guess is there was no follow up game if the same ruck combination stayed. Lets face it we are all guessing but thats my opinion.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438868Post CURLY »

plugger66 wrote:
CURLY wrote:Didnt really help as it left Roo one out as Kosi rucked and in the follow up game Kosi was shot.

My guess is there was no follow up game if the same ruck combination stayed. Lets face it we are all guessing but thats my opinion.
All opinion but Id have loved Kosi or Roo deep a few times in the last.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438872Post ShanghaiSaint »

Bernard Shakey wrote:Gardiner by a country mile.
agree,

i was never a fan of spider... his parting comments were very average aswell.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438875Post Con Gorozidis »

Round 14 2009 v Cats.
Gardiner was epic.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438884Post Zed »

Gardner easily , then King, then McEvoy


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438886Post Wayne42 »

Maybe that's why the club were eager to trade McEvoy, like most posters in this thread, they, the club, knew McEvoy was not up to it in the ruck.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438888Post ROLS-LEE »

Zed wrote:Gardner easily , then King, then McEvoy
Agree, and like others said, both Gardi and King were past their best, but still better than Ben.

I always rated Lazar, and Paul Harding better than Spider, but I was young at the time. I actually thought Paul was under rated.


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

Post: # 1438890Post BigMart »

Gardy was pretty good

Played 50 games
He returned about 17ho per game, had a fairly good to advantage ratio
He averaged around 10 disposals
4 marks per game 0.9 contested
1 tackle per game
Just under half a goal per game
He came as an establish Ruckman

Ben was a developing Ruckman for the majority of his saints career
91 games
18 HO per game... Probably less to advantage
11 possession per game
4.5 marks per game with 1.5 being contested
Similar clearances
0.3 goals per game

I think we underrate one a bit and overrate one a bit


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Re: best ruckman since spider?

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Kosi easily


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