Caddy going to Geelong may help us get Hickey.... GC now have no early picks this year, so may still have an interest in pick 24...
By contrast, GWS and Melbourne would not have any interest in using such a low pick!

Well it seems Winmar has a year to prove himself. Lets hope he puts his head down and has a massive pre-seasona nd surprises a few people.
Its up to him.
I hope he makes it. But at the end of next season, his race will have been run if he does not play at least several AFL games

Neither. Not what we need

Frawley has just never been mention anywhere outside of forum dream lists Brown is determined to leave, so it will be hard for WC to do much about it. And they seem to be happy with Cripps coming, so I just do not see the problem. Just posturing for a draft pick or draft upgrade from us, I guess. If...

Yep, pay rise and playing time. He can look at the saints list and see a spot for himself.

I recon we can front end his contract, as we must have penty left in the salary cap, so paying him decent money wont affect us going forward.
Win-win

I like Ray.. but if he wants to go.. then GET GYSBERTS..... and then use 13 on another KPP (one of Stringer, Janksch, Plowman and Shaw will be available)

no dount the system is no good.
But.. history will be the judge. I hope is is average and we get a gun at 13

Try getting him for 24.... Would be worth it.

Agree, Gysberts is good.. get him

He should retire or be cut. That is purely my football assessment. No sentiment involved, nothing against Kosi who has given good service. Give him a 5 year contract in player development to make up the lost wages.

I dont see Brown as being worth all that much. At 23 years old if you are not in the 22, you are not worth much. End of.
Cripps for Brown is fair. Cripps could end up good. Cripps + 3rd rounder I could live with.

They have to use three picks

Does that include the mini draft? They have pick 1 in that. And will get a high pick for Caddy
So 1 (minidraft) + Caddy Pick + 25

If they only plan using 3 picks... then 24 is not very attractive

Of course the great former Saint captain, and 1980 all-australian Bruce "Super Duper"ouzel was a Sandgroper

GWS would have no interest in our 2nd rounder.. they would not even use it.. that is why this is a clever trade IMO, because GWS dont really want their 2nd or 3rd rounders, so Pelchin saw an opportunity to get both of them.... creating win-win situations is good practice... we will need those later ...

that's making the assumption that a pick 12 is worth 2 second round draft picks and a third round No it is not. It is making the assumption that pick 12 is worth tom Lee + a second round draft pick + a 3rd round draft pick. there is a big difference between trading a general 2nd rounder, where the ...

Exactly. Sam Fisher wasn't setting the world on fire at 21...he's a gun now. Not everyone is ready to go at 17/18/19. yes.. and key forwards rarely make their mark until their 20s. look at Fevola.. at age 21 (same as Lee this year) he played 9 and kicked 13 Lee has a trajectory that is quite normal...

Cripps + Second Round Draft Pick is fair I respectfuly disagree Cripps OR 2nd rounder.. and not the 24 we gort ftom GWS, our original 2nd rounder. Players over 23 years of age and NOT in their teams best 22 are simply not worth much in trading week. The fact is, he is not in their team. He simply c...

It is laughable to suggest that a fit Kossi will be displaced by Lee.

Well, I am 100% sure he will be.
But this is one for the vault. Time will tell, and someone can say 'I told you so' at some point in the season

yes, no way we should use 13. or even 24. I dont think we will. We will have plan B and if WC dont give a reasonable trade we should walk away. The fact is 50 games in 6 years and only a few in 2012 as a 23 year old is just not worth more than our pick 34, going on history of such trades... older pl...

How has he grown 3cm after 20yo??

who knows, but it is a huge positive.... means he was super raw at Adelaide...

And there is no doubt about the 194cm listing as he was at Draft camp last week and the measurement would be 'mm perfect"

If the AFL had have settled FA BEFORE trading began, or at least told the saints what they would get, could have got Lee+24+43 for 13 instead of 12??
We will never know...

just a flawed system

If we get Hickey, it is time for Kosi to retire.... Behind Roo, Stanley, Lee, Wilkes for KPF and behind Mcevoy, Hickey Stanley for Ruck duties

We need to see what happens to pick 24, before we are uup in arms about trading pick 12 for lee...
Because it is really pick 12 for Lee + Brown, or Lee + Jacobs or Lee + Hickey
+ whoever we get for 43

then, we can assess (although it may take 5 years to assess!!)

Suggests Cale Morton... have not seen this kid, but just seems to reek of Aaron Fiora #2.
Skinny outside mid with good skills who was good in underage but seems not up to it.

So if Melbourne loses three players, each is an avg player who is on $250k, the net result is $750k and a pick after their first pick, meaning they've been given pick 5? Either the arguement is flawed or the system is... No it may mean 3 teir 3 players, so three 3rd round picks But anyway, that sug...