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Obviously wasn't in Australia when this happened, but for some reason I knew about THAT day and that image even before I moved here
Anyone who doesn't want to read an article from Caro, most pertinent thing to me was AFL using Nickys image without paying up, and there's a doco on the way
Sunday Footy Show footage from the day just for interest
You can listen to Bristle tell you Carlton are still a massive chance at 28 points down with two minutes to go, you can listen to him tell you all about Lorne, or you can watch a monkey on a pushbike...I know which I prefer...
Well given the job I have, I suspect that the AFL can just use whatever image they like to "promote" the game, and damn the players - wouldn't even have been an issue, player rights in 1993
I think something similar happened with Gary Moorcroft from memory, and that was just a great footy moment, not something socially significant
I really hope we take up the cause, and get Nicky some financial help
Incidentally, I presume most of you have seen it, but also from 1993, Molly takes on Peter Jess after Nickys walk out
You can listen to Bristle tell you Carlton are still a massive chance at 28 points down with two minutes to go, you can listen to him tell you all about Lorne, or you can watch a monkey on a pushbike...I know which I prefer...
"he has agreed to tell his story for a soon-to-be-completed documentary titled: Silent Shout: The Nicky Winmar Story being produced by US-born, Australian-based Tim O'Brien"
wonder when this is due to be screened
Sundance is held in jan so im guessing we wont see anything until then
I was at Collingwood that day and what a great win it was. A superb player for the Saints. Nicky's health doesn't sound at all good, if there are doubts about his ability to make it to Melbourne for the indigenous round. As others have said, let's hope the Club pushes his barrow. The Age article will hopefully bring sufficient public exposure to see that he receives some much needed compensation.
Nicky still remains the best AFL player I have ever seen in over 50 years of watching football. Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
Australia...... Live it like we stole it....... Because we did.
GrumpyOne wrote:Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
How was he exploited by St Kilda his whole career?
He was well paid by Saints - Peter Jess was his manager and was a tough negotiator for all of his clients. Peter Jess encouraged him to walk out on the club straight after that photo was taken for not upgrading a contract (that I believe was) signed in 1992. St Kilda assigned more club resources towards Nicky than any other player on the list.
GrumpyOne wrote:Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
How was he exploited by St Kilda his whole career?
He was well paid by Saints - Peter Jess was his manager and was a tough negotiator for all of his clients. Peter Jess encouraged him to walk out on the club straight after that photo was taken for not upgrading a contract (that I believe was) signed in 1992. St Kilda assigned more club resources towards Nicky than any other player on the list.
Agree, I think it was more Jess not looking after Winmar in the right way.
I do not mean this in a negative way, but Cuz was a shy, simple straightforward guy not suited to club stand-offs and hi-jinks.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
GrumpyOne wrote:Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
How was he exploited by St Kilda his whole career?
He was well paid by Saints - Peter Jess was his manager and was a tough negotiator for all of his clients. Peter Jess encouraged him to walk out on the club straight after that photo was taken for not upgrading a contract (that I believe was) signed in 1992. St Kilda assigned more club resources towards Nicky than any other player on the list.
St Kilda never exploited Nicky. He was a difficult player for the club to deal with as his demands on the club were far greater than any other player. Having said that, I will never never forgive the club for dumping him and forcing him to play out his career with Footcray. He deserved to be a Saint for life.
GrumpyOne wrote:Nicky still remains the best AFL player I have ever seen in over 50 years of watching football. Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
Nearly everytime an aboriginal player is mentioned you think a club or people have done the wrong thing by them. Nicky would have got paid plenty and was sometimes bad for the club but we stuck by him just like any other player.
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Bernard Shakey wrote:....I will never never forgive the club for dumping him and forcing him to play out his career with Footcray. He deserved to be a Saint for life.
That is what I will always remember Tim Watson for. Claiming that the club let Nicky go without his knowledge. The same way Malthouse claimed the assistants at Carlton were moved on without him being consulted. Just gutless.
I'm amazed that no one has mentioned how badly Nicky's dummy spit cost the Club that year. After that great win at Collingwood we were Premiership contenders. We went off the rails after Nicky decided to renege on his contract, as his actions had a profound effect on the team. We recovered later in the season but it was too late. Was he actually asking for more money than Lockett. Harvey, Burke and Frawley???? All of them more important players to the team at the time.
Then his public (on the field) dummy spit late in 1998, also had a significant effect.
I'm not saying the Club shouldn't help him now, in fact they should. Yet perhaps Nicky should reflect on some of his decisions, choices and actions.
GrumpyOne wrote:Nicky still remains the best AFL player I have ever seen in over 50 years of watching football. Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
Nearly everytime an aboriginal player is mentioned you think a club or people have done the wrong thing by them. Nicky would have got paid plenty and was sometimes bad for the club but we stuck by him just like any other player.
Agree.
And whilst Cuz was a great player, Plugger was better. Not plugger66, but the real one.
i am Melbourne Skies - sometimes Blue Skies, Grey Skies, even Partly Cloudy Skies.
I have never forgotten the image of Nicky on the ground after the 97 GF loss. What an emotional head f*** that would have been for him. He is almost at the top of a long line of massively talented and gifted Saints players that would be considered even greater AFL legends if they were part of a premiership team.
Absolutely loved Winmar. He was my favourite player for years. So skilled and quick, I used to love when he put the afterburners on and ran down unsuspecting opponents. And those screamers!!
I think he was and still is pretty mentally brittle though, and easily taken advantage of (Jess you prick).
I hope his head's in a good space at the moment. Would be great to see him at the club a bit.
Was at Vic Park that day, one of my favourite football memories. Cuz and Gilbert absolutely blitzed!!
Also, someone send a copy of the players singing our theme song properly to the current crop!!
Milne's completely stuffed up our song, and makes for awkward chorus's after the game or at the pub!!!
GrumpyOne wrote:Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
How was he exploited by St Kilda his whole career?
He was well paid by Saints - Peter Jess was his manager and was a tough negotiator for all of his clients. Peter Jess encouraged him to walk out on the club straight after that photo was taken for not upgrading a contract (that I believe was) signed in 1992. St Kilda assigned more club resources towards Nicky than any other player on the list.
that comment by stupid is a very good reason for him being dubbed that...although i've named him after the beer fairy in the canadian club ad........but a very stupid disgraceful comment and not a hint of truth in it afaic......i hope the club knows his idenity and revokes his membership....
..this idiot thinks he has some special relationship with aboriginal australians...what a joke.....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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GrumpyOne wrote:Nicky still remains the best AFL player I have ever seen in over 50 years of watching football. Shame that he is being exploited financially by the AFL as he was by St Kilda the whole of his career.
Nearly everytime an aboriginal player is mentioned you think a club or people have done the wrong thing by them. Nicky would have got paid plenty and was sometimes bad for the club but we stuck by him just like any other player.
Agree.
And whilst Cuz was a great player, Plugger was better. Not plugger66, but the real one.
a fair comment by plugga all the same.... must have had a falling out with some of his pack mates it would seem
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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Nicky Winmar's life post football has been an blight on StK and the AFL player welfare ...... He is an ornament to the club and game.... But forgotten by those running it
Same with many other lives and situations
Jarred Allen comes to mind, his end at StK was a disgusting.
Nicky Winmar's life post football has been an blight on StK and the AFL player welfare ...... He is an ornament to the club and game.... But forgotten by those running it
Same with many other lives and situations
Jarred Allen comes to mind, his end at StK was a disgusting.
What did we do wrong with Nicky? Our club never does anything right.
I suppose, what do we owe him? He only gave the supporters a reason to go to the footy and support the club. The club has a duty to look after its own IMO especially when they fall on hard times.
Shunted out at the end of 1998.... Got rid of him instead of supporting him.
BigMart wrote:How's he been going in the last decade??
I suppose, what do we owe him? He only gave the supporters a reason to go to the footy and support the club. The club has a duty to look after its own IMO especially when they fall on hard times.
Shunted out at the end of 1998.... Got rid of him instead of supporting him.
So how does it work. What if a one game player is also struggling or do only help the stars. Going to be tough with probably 500 living players. And how do you know we havent tried help. Probably better to criticise the club.
