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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586179Post Con Gorozidis »

ripplug66 wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?

I don't get this Weller stuff at all. Why is he leaving already. Its only saints boards that think it is happening. I have heard he will finish his contract.
We need a fast midfielder and Freo desperately need a high pick for McCarthy.

I am not saying it will happen - but that is the logic behind it.

if Freo stuff McCarthy up they truly are hopeless.
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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

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jaxons wrote:
Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:Yes the deal is done and will be announced probably tomorrow.
Give us a sniff jaxons, what else is cooking ?
Carlisle will be conceived soonish as well, we are still hoping McCarthy gets to Freo....you can join the dots!
My guess would be Bolton pulls Dodoro into line before they end up with nothing and Lachie Weller is in play.

There will be a merry go round with pick 8 that goes on a journey but starts and finishes with GWS plus 2 in the second round.


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586181Post Mr Magic »

ripplug66 wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?

I don't get this Weller stuff at all. Why is he leaving already. Its only saints boards that think it is happening. I have heard he will finish his contract.
Pure speculation on my part.
No inside knowledge at all on my part.


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586184Post ripplug66 »

Mr Magic wrote:
Pure speculation on my part.
No inside knowledge at all on my part.

Its been said by many though not just you.


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586185Post jaxons »

Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:
Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:Yes the deal is done and will be announced probably tomorrow.
Give us a sniff jaxons, what else is cooking ?
Carlisle will be conceived soonish as well, we are still hoping McCarthy gets to Freo....you can join the dots!
My guess would be Bolton pulls Dodoro into line before they end up with nothing and Lachie Weller is in play.

There will be a merry go round with pick 8 that goes on a journey but starts and finishes with GWS plus 2 in the second round.

This won't happen.
ripplug66 wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?

I don't get this Weller stuff at all. Why is he leaving already. Its only saints boards that think it is happening. I have heard he will finish his contract.
He will not get a look in next year at Freo, as Ross doesn't play kids and there are 7-8 mids with bigger bodies in front of him and he wants to play with Saints.
If not next year will be the following year.


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586187Post ace »

ripplug66 wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?

I don't get this Weller stuff at all. Why is he leaving already. Its only saints boards that think it is happening. I have heard he will finish his contract.
The St Kilda ladies are very keen to see Lachie Weller in St Kilda colours.
It has nothing to do with football.


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Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:
Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:Yes the deal is done and will be announced probably tomorrow.
Give us a sniff jaxons, what else is cooking ?
Carlisle will be conceived soonish as well, we are still hoping McCarthy gets to Freo....you can join the dots!
My guess would be Bolton pulls Dodoro into line before they end up with nothing and Lachie Weller is in play.

There will be a merry go round with pick 8 that goes on a journey but starts and finishes with GWS plus 2 in the second round.
you mean Worsfold


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

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jaxons wrote:
He will not get a look in next year at Freo, as Ross doesn't play kids and there are 7-8 mids with bigger bodies in front of him and he wants to play with Saints.
If not next year will be the following year.
So he got 3 games this year but wont get a look in next year? I'm not sure about that. My daughter is friends of Mav's girlfriend and she said he is happy at Freo and they are very happy with him. maybe she made it up but I will trust her on this.


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Post: # 1586191Post Playon »

Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?
Join the first words of my post, Well er, not funny if you have to explain it.

But jaxons said its independent of the Carlisle trade


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586197Post saynta »

Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:
Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:Yes the deal is done and will be announced probably tomorrow.
Give us a sniff jaxons, what else is cooking ?
Carlisle will be conceived soonish as well, we are still hoping McCarthy gets to Freo....you can join the dots!
My guess would be Bolton pulls Dodoro into line before they end up with nothing and Lachie Weller is in play.

There will be a merry go round with pick 8 that goes on a journey but starts and finishes with GWS plus 2 in the second round.
WTF has Bolton got to do with the dildo?


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Post: # 1586198Post Playon »

ripplug66 wrote:
jaxons wrote:
He will not get a look in next year at Freo, as Ross doesn't play kids and there are 7-8 mids with bigger bodies in front of him and he wants to play with Saints.
If not next year will be the following year.
So he got 3 games this year but wont get a look in next year? I'm not sure about that. My daughter is friends of Mav's girlfriend and she said he is happy at Freo and they are very happy with him. maybe she made it up but I will trust her on this.
Mavs girlfriend? What else would she say, Thats if she even new. You could ask my sister in law what my plans were and she wouldnt have a clue


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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586199Post Con Gorozidis »

Lyon has some serious blind spots with anyone under 23. They delisted Ballard after a very consistent WAFL season. Meanwhile Lyon will stick with his tried and true Hacks (Suban, Clancee Pearce, Ibbotson, Mayne) week in week out.

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Post: # 1586200Post Joffa Burns »

Playon wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?
Join the first words of my post, Well er, not funny if you have to explain it.

But jaxons said its independent of the Carlisle trade
The issue with this logic is Freo don't have a first round pick as they traded it to GCS for Bennell.
Freo's first live pick is 22, also not sure we want to give #5 to Freo for MAV Jnr and #22.
Don't think #22 is going to greatly assist us in getting the Carlisle deal done.


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Joffa Burns wrote:
Playon wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?
Join the first words of my post, Well er, not funny if you have to explain it.

But jaxons said its independent of the Carlisle trade
The issue with this logic is Freo don't have a first round pick as they traded it to GCS for Bennell.
Freo's first live pick is 22, also not sure we want to give #5 to Freo for MAV Jnr and #22.
Don't think #22 is going to greatly assist us in getting the Carlisle deal done.
It will if he walks to the PSD


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Post: # 1586202Post Playon »

Joffa Burns wrote:
Playon wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?
Join the first words of my post, Well er, not funny if you have to explain it.

But jaxons said its independent of the Carlisle trade
The issue with this logic is Freo don't have a first round pick as they traded it to GCS for Bennell.
Freo's first live pick is 22, also not sure we want to give #5 to Freo for MAV Jnr and #22.
Don't think #22 is going to greatly assist us in getting the Carlisle deal done.
Next year or the following, not this year, although I dont see what that has to do with McCarthy
Perhaps a typo
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Re: 2015 - Draft & Trade Thread

Post: # 1586203Post ace »

Fremantle has picks 22, 56 & 74.
It has all of its 2016 picks still available
But you can only trade your 2016 first round pick OR any combination of your later 2016 picks
Put simply Fremantle is short on trade currency.
They may be willing to part with Lachie Weller to get some trading currency for their pursuit of Cam McCarthy.

PIck 5 and their expectedly late 2016 first round pick would be the sort of currency they would need.
We would like some currency too.
Fremantle's pick 22 looks very tempting and their pick 56 = 194 points when added to our own pick 45 = 347 points would trump any bid for Rice from pick 26 onwards even if we have traded away pick 63 = 112 points

Fremantle gave up their 1st and 2nd round picks 16 & 35 to get Harley Bennell from Gold Coast but got 2nd round pick 22 in return.
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Post: # 1586204Post magnifisaint »

Joffa Burns wrote:
Playon wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Playon wrote:Well er I'm not sure, give me a hint

Hope were not doing 5 in a straight swap for JC?
Maybe 5 to Freo (for them to use on McCarthy)
We get back their first pick and Weller Jnr
We either give the Freo first round to Dildoro for Carlisle or we use it ourselves?
Join the first words of my post, Well er, not funny if you have to explain it.

But jaxons said its independent of the Carlisle trade
The issue with this logic is Freo don't have a first round pick as they traded it to GCS for Bennell.
Freo's first live pick is 22, also not sure we want to give #5 to Freo for MAV Jnr and #22.
Don't think #22 is going to greatly assist us in getting the Carlisle deal done.
It will if he walks to the PSD


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Post: # 1586206Post Con Gorozidis »

ace wrote:Fremantle has picks 22, 56 & 74.
It has all of its 2016 picks still available
But you can only trade your 2016 first round pick OR any combination of your later 2016 picks
Put simply Fremantle is short on trade currency.
They may be willing to part with Lachie Weller to get some trading currency for their pursuit of Cam McCarthy.

PIck 5 and their expectedly late 2016 first round pick would be the sort of currency they would need.
We would like some currency too.
Fremantle's pick 22 looks very tempting and their pick 56 = 194 points when added to our own pick 45 = 347 points would trump any bid for Rice from pick 26 onwards even if we have traded away pick 63 = 112 points
I like these ideas. I think we can get a win-win with Freo. They have spent five years trying to lure a key fwd so they are crazy if they dont throw the absolute kitchen sink at McCarthy (who is a local boy). I think we can benefit from this.


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jaxons wrote:
Linton Street Saint wrote:
jaxons wrote:Yes the deal is done and will be announced probably tomorrow.
Give us a sniff jaxons, what else is cooking ?
Carlisle will be conceived soonish as well, we are still hoping McCarthy gets to Freo....you can join the dots!
Well something is missing I don't figure how McCarthy gets to Freo without a third party and how that third party ties us to Weller.

Thanks for the response though jaxons, always appreciated.


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Post: # 1586213Post ace »

jaxons wrote: Carlisle will be conceived soonish as well, we are still hoping McCarthy gets to Freo....you can join the dots!
You mean we will have to wait another 9 months.
Gee, I just hope he is not still born.


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Post: # 1586222Post bigred »

SO how does this get us Jaegar O'meara :P.....

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ripplug66 wrote:
jaxons wrote:
He will not get a look in next year at Freo, as Ross doesn't play kids and there are 7-8 mids with bigger bodies in front of him and he wants to play with Saints.
If not next year will be the following year.
So he got 3 games this year but wont get a look in next year? I'm not sure about that. My daughter is friends of Mav's girlfriend and she said he is happy at Freo and they are very happy with him. maybe she made it up but I will trust her on this.
Where was this logic when you were talking about Goddard next year?


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Post: # 1586225Post Playon »

bigred wrote:SO how does this get us Jaegar O'meara :P.....

Given me the biggest case of blue balls ever.
If we did the port deal we'd have 2 first rounders in the bank, surely we could work something out


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Post: # 1586236Post Rocket »

So we give 5 to Freo in return for Weller and their 2016 first rounder.

We give Essendon 23 and 2016 first rounder for Carlisle.


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Post: # 1586239Post matrix »

So... we are trading Goddard?
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