To the Board and CEO: Do YOUR Job and Sack Richo or RESIGN!!

[samoht]

I reckon we should buy this guy a slab of beer each week and get him to coach. See what ewes think ...

[Scollop]

The title is wrong. Should exclude the word 'Inspirational'

He sounded like he was desperate for them to play well. "We're all a family" Do it for your mum and dad!!

I'm guessing that bloke has a similar win loss ratio to Richo.

[samoht]

Ewe are hard to please, scollop.
Maybe that's how most of our players should be spoken to, and their mums and dads could place a bib on them, and should kiss them on their cheeks before they run out.
Steele can be in another room, self-motivating and listening to the Rocky sound-track?

[Teflon]

Ewe are hard to please, scollop.
Maybe that's how most of our players should be spoken to, and their mums and dads could place a bib on them, and should kiss them on their cheeks before they run out.
Steele can be in another room, self-motivating and listening to the Rocky sound-track?

I’d have them all in the next room listening to the Richo soundtrack.....ought to have them nodding off in no time..

[kalsaint]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

[Teflon]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

[takeaway]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

[HitTheBoundary]

In 2014 Jamie Cox was appointed General Manager - Football Performance.

Peta Searle was appointed as a St Kilda development coach with the Saints player academy.

A few years later Richo had his contract extended.

Whoever is responsible for these massive blunders should be getting massive blowback.

Finnis?

[Teflon]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

Why would I not want us to win games IF we have the right coach in place?

[Teflon]

In 2014 Jamie Cox was appointed General Manager - Football Performance.

Peta Searle was appointed as a St Kilda development coach with the Saints player academy.

A few years later Richo had his contract extended.

Whoever is responsible for these massive blunders should be getting massive blowback.

Finnis?

Agree
All Shyte decisions
Finnis knows nothing bout football ops and should t be let near it

[st.byron]

I reckon we should buy this guy a slab of beer each week and get him to coach. See what ewes think ...

Not much point really. They’re all generic so just get a robot that doesn’t even require beer. I hear though that the Tarneit Under 12’s have a gun recruiter. He’d be my primary off season target. Certain to take us into the finals next year.

[takeaway]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

Why would I not want us to win games IF we have the right coach in place?

Got it. So unless "the right coach" is in place you don't want the club to win any games next year. Up to you I guess.

[Teflon]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

Why would I not want us to win games IF we have the right coach in place?

Got it. So unless "the right coach" is in place you don't want the club to win any games next year. Up to you I guess.

Yeah it’s not really hard, even though your trying your best to make it so
I’m interested in long term, sustainable success that nets us a flag or 4
I’m not interested in treading water like we’ve just done for 5 years
Again, if you have views on why Alan Richardson is the “right” coach to take us to a flag, please do enlighten us all ....we await your pearls of wisdom...

[takeaway]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

Why would I not want us to win games IF we have the right coach in place?

Got it. So unless "the right coach" is in place you don't want the club to win any games next year. Up to you I guess.

Yeah it’s not really hard, even though your trying your best to make it so
I’m interested in long term, sustainable success that nets us a flag or 4
I’m not interested in treading water like we’ve just done for 5 years
Again, if you have views on why Alan Richardson is the “right” coach to take us to a flag, please do enlighten us all ....we await your pearls of wisdom...

Already covered my take re Richo that in another "Richo" thread. You may have to extend your reading again.

"I'm not necessarily a supporter of Richo, but am happy to give him 2019 with some different assistants, hopefully some gaps filled with players to see if we can move up the ladder.

You can't ask "his supporters on SS" to identify his strengths when you haven't actually identified his weaknesses as a coach. You can say win/loss record, selection, etc but how can you say that is all Richo? He is not the only one at the club, and cannot possibly cover all aspects of the caper - recruiting/trading, selection, all aspects on match day, etc. He is responsible for some of that but not all. This year's performance could be a combination of coaching, poor development, lack of senior players, injuries, the toughest draw in the comp, boot studs too short, whatever. We weren't going too badly 2016/17.

To identify his "coaching" weaknesses and strengths, you need first hand experience of him at training, team meetings, match day addresses, and so on. Only those at the club have that experience, and they have decided that he needs better support. I'll take the club's view over SS posters, who have no in house knowledge, only "opinions", some of which may be on the money, but plenty would not be. How would we know?"

[samoht]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

Why would I not want us to win games IF we have the right coach in place?

Got it. So unless "the right coach" is in place you don't want the club to win any games next year. Up to you I guess.

Yeah it’s not really hard, even though your trying your best to make it so
I’m interested in long term, sustainable success that nets us a flag or 4
I’m not interested in treading water like we’ve just done for 5 years
Again, if you have views on why Alan Richardson is the “right” coach to take us to a flag, please do enlighten us all ....we await your pearls of wisdom...

Already covered my take re Richo that in another "Richo" thread. You may have to extend your reading again.

"I'm not necessarily a supporter of Richo, but am happy to give him 2019 with some different assistants, hopefully some gaps filled with players to see if we can move up the ladder.

You can't ask "his supporters on SS" to identify his strengths when you haven't actually identified his weaknesses as a coach. You can say win/loss record, selection, etc but how can you say that is all Richo? He is not the only one at the club, and cannot possibly cover all aspects of the caper - recruiting/trading, selection, all aspects on match day, etc. He is responsible for some of that but not all. This year's performance could be a combination of coaching, poor development, lack of senior players, injuries, the toughest draw in the comp, boot studs too short, whatever. We weren't going too badly 2016/17.

To identify his "coaching" weaknesses and strengths, you need first hand experience of him at training, team meetings, match day addresses, and so on. Only those at the club have that experience, and they have decided that he needs better support. I'll take the club's view over SS posters, who have no in house knowledge, only "opinions", some of which may be on the money, but plenty would not be. How would we know?"

Great post! Exactly, how would we know?
You've covered all I've tried to argue in this one magnificent post.

[freely]

Doubters are poison and, unfortunately, fans baying for the coach's blood feed that doubt in the players.

He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks - Sun Tzu

i.e., not us - not until that doubt is removed. And probably the only way to do that now is to change the coach.

[Teflon]

I’ve given up - Finnis/Summers standing by him mean he’ll coach in 2019
I’ve never felt less enthused about the future than now
Sadly if we win some games next season because we have some half smart assistants etc in.....how hard is it going to be replacing him then? His next defence will be “I’ve only had 1 yer with gun assistants.....surely I need an extension...”
we are being held to ransom by Finnis and co to save their corporate career ambitions at AFL House NOT for the good of our club

Contract has a performance clause that could close off Richos time at end on 2019. I wouldn't say this was all Richos fault. The Leadership to me is the key issue. I mean Board, Management and Team game Leadership.

I really worry bout damage to this club by end 2019
And if we win games next with new assistants in place.....how do u move him then..??

Getting a bit worried we might win some games? Surely not.

Why would I not want us to win games IF we have the right coach in place?

Got it. So unless "the right coach" is in place you don't want the club to win any games next year. Up to you I guess.

Yeah it’s not really hard, even though your trying your best to make it so
I’m interested in long term, sustainable success that nets us a flag or 4
I’m not interested in treading water like we’ve just done for 5 years
Again, if you have views on why Alan Richardson is the “right” coach to take us to a flag, please do enlighten us all ....we await your pearls of wisdom...

Already covered my take re Richo that in another "Richo" thread. You may have to extend your reading again.

"I'm not necessarily a supporter of Richo, but am happy to give him 2019 with some different assistants, hopefully some gaps filled with players to see if we can move up the ladder.

You can't ask "his supporters on SS" to identify his strengths when you haven't actually identified his weaknesses as a coach. You can say win/loss record, selection, etc but how can you say that is all Richo? He is not the only one at the club, and cannot possibly cover all aspects of the caper - recruiting/trading, selection, all aspects on match day, etc. He is responsible for some of that but not all. This year's performance could be a combination of coaching, poor development, lack of senior players, injuries, the toughest draw in the comp, boot studs too short, whatever. We weren't going too badly 2016/17.

To identify his "coaching" weaknesses and strengths, you need first hand experience of him at training, team meetings, match day addresses, and so on. Only those at the club have that experience, and they have decided that he needs better support. I'll take the club's view over SS posters, who have no in house knowledge, only "opinions", some of which may be on the money, but plenty would not be. How would we know?"

Well on that logic we may as well shut the forum down now hey? I mean how do we know anything at all in your theory so no point in having a view at all then? Lol the ultimate cop out to no opinion for mine...

I’ll just stick with
5 years 33% win record senior coach who (if he hasn’t been able to get his senior support structures in place till someone tells him he needs to....then probably ain’t going great is he??)
Anyhow, time to shut up shop till we are fed our opinion by the club I guess......lol

[Teflon]

Doubters are poison and, unfortunately, fans baying for the coach's blood feed that doubt in the players.

He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks - Sun Tzu

i.e., not us - not until that doubt is removed. And probably the only way to do that now is to change the coach.

Fans doubts feed players?????
Righto....some quality tripe there...lol

[spert]

A lot of unsubstantiated stuff being posted in this forum - and misdirected energy. It's all the coach's fault - yeah, sure.

We are near the bottom of the rung, because of the way we've recruited over the last 10 or so years. We don't have even one A grader with elite skills, and we've had more than our share of injuries this year.

Clarko wouldn't have got us any higher - in fact we nearly rolled his team, despite our injuries and the star-studded Hawk lineup with several A graders.

Clarko, schmarko - where would he be without his recruiters?

We need some perspective.

Do we really know if Clarko, or a Leigh Matthews for example could have got more out of the playing group? I bet you they would have. I say this as I have seen over my long years where playing groups in different clubs (albeit at a lower level than AFL), have looked like a different team when a coach got replaced- some players didn't respond to one coach, yet had a new lease of life under a different coach. Sure, it is highly important to recruit the best available talent, but the real test of any coach, manager etc, is to extract the most out of your resources- hasn't happened for the last season and a half in my opinion.

Yes but you can extract more from A graders than C graders. We nearly rolled Hawthorn and Clarko despite our injuries and the vast gulf in talent.

Is there a vast gulf in talent, or is it just that some of our talent has not been developed fully under this current coaching regime?

[takeaway]

Already covered my take re Richo that in another "Richo" thread. You may have to extend your reading again.

"I'm not necessarily a supporter of Richo, but am happy to give him 2019 with some different assistants, hopefully some gaps filled with players to see if we can move up the ladder.

You can't ask "his supporters on SS" to identify his strengths when you haven't actually identified his weaknesses as a coach. You can say win/loss record, selection, etc but how can you say that is all Richo? He is not the only one at the club, and cannot possibly cover all aspects of the caper - recruiting/trading, selection, all aspects on match day, etc. He is responsible for some of that but not all. This year's performance could be a combination of coaching, poor development, lack of senior players, injuries, the toughest draw in the comp, boot studs too short, whatever. We weren't going too badly 2016/17.

To identify his "coaching" weaknesses and strengths, you need first hand experience of him at training, team meetings, match day addresses, and so on. Only those at the club have that experience, and they have decided that he needs better support. I'll take the club's view over SS posters, who have no in house knowledge, only "opinions", some of which may be on the money, but plenty would not be. How would we know?"

Well on that logic we may as well shut the forum down now hey? I mean how do we know anything at all in your theory so no point in having a view at all then? Lol the ultimate cop out to no opinion for mine...

I’ll just stick with
5 years 33% win record senior coach who (if he hasn’t been able to get his senior support structures in place till someone tells him he needs to....then probably ain’t going great is he??)
Anyhow, time to shut up shop till we are fed our opinion by the club I guess......lol

Of course this forum is all views/opinions, and my view re Richo was covered in the first line of the quoted post, but you probably missed that. Well aware of your "views" re Richo, Tefalan, because you have posted them 358 times.

[samoht]

Is there a vast gulf in talent, or is it just that some of our talent has not been developed fully under this current coaching regime?

Good question ....
And, it's impossible to know for sure which it is - the only thing we can sort of rely on here is whether players who came to us from other clubs have maintained their form, developed or gone backwards?

i.e. has Membrey, Steele, Carlisle, Roberton, Savage, Bruce ...
a. gone backwards?
b. maintained their form?
or
c. improved and/or developed? .... since coming to St Kilda.
I think it's either b. or c. in all cases. Yes a couple were fringe players, but, in any case, this just reinforces that these teams had better players that were preferred and played ahead of them (ahead of Steele, Roberton, Savage) - which would mean there is indeed a vast gulf in talent between these teams and us -
Anyway, Steele is starring, Roberton was starring, Savage was in strong form, Membery is our best forward. Tick, tick, tick, tick ... and no crosses.
If any one of our players is treading water or going backwards, maybe they need to have a good look at themselves - and take ownership of their own form?

[Teflon]

Already covered my take re Richo that in another "Richo" thread. You may have to extend your reading again.

"I'm not necessarily a supporter of Richo, but am happy to give him 2019 with some different assistants, hopefully some gaps filled with players to see if we can move up the ladder.

You can't ask "his supporters on SS" to identify his strengths when you haven't actually identified his weaknesses as a coach. You can say win/loss record, selection, etc but how can you say that is all Richo? He is not the only one at the club, and cannot possibly cover all aspects of the caper - recruiting/trading, selection, all aspects on match day, etc. He is responsible for some of that but not all. This year's performance could be a combination of coaching, poor development, lack of senior players, injuries, the toughest draw in the comp, boot studs too short, whatever. We weren't going too badly 2016/17.

To identify his "coaching" weaknesses and strengths, you need first hand experience of him at training, team meetings, match day addresses, and so on. Only those at the club have that experience, and they have decided that he needs better support. I'll take the club's view over SS posters, who have no in house knowledge, only "opinions", some of which may be on the money, but plenty would not be. How would we know?"

Well on that logic we may as well shut the forum down now hey? I mean how do we know anything at all in your theory so no point in having a view at all then? Lol the ultimate cop out to no opinion for mine...

I’ll just stick with
5 years 33% win record senior coach who (if he hasn’t been able to get his senior support structures in place till someone tells him he needs to....then probably ain’t going great is he??)
Anyhow, time to shut up shop till we are fed our opinion by the club I guess......lol

Of course this forum is all views/opinions, and my view re Richo was covered in the first line of the quoted post, but you probably missed that. Well aware of your "views" re Richo, Tefalan, because you have posted them 358 times.

Your “view”???
“I’m not a supporter of Rich.....” - why not oh enlightened one... do actually give us an independent thought ??
“But happy to give him a go in 2019...”
gee there’s some strong fence sittin views right there!!
What’s next : “be good to your mums”
Or do you u need evidence before making that outlandish claim ?

[asiu]

a daughter of lesbians then ?

[freely]

Doubters are poison and, unfortunately, fans baying for the coach's blood feed that doubt in the players.

He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks - Sun Tzu

i.e., not us - not until that doubt is removed. And probably the only way to do that now is to change the coach.

Fans doubts feed players?????
Righto....some quality tripe there...lol

I don't know why you're so combative all the time with your tripe lol etc. But in case you really don't understand - it's the players' doubts that are the problem. Players are obviously aware of all the discontent from fans and in the media. You only need a little bit of doubt to creep in and it becomes impossible to get them all on the same page and fully firing.

That's my view - and all your lol crap bollocks won't change it.

[Saintly66]

Jesus Christ can some of you shut up with the bickering, no wonder people on BF think this place has become a joke.