The Conundrum of the Hannebery Trade

[Enrico_Misso]

Perhaps we can swap McCartin for .... McCartin?

[WellardSaint]

Hannebery is injured, his best is well behind him.
Similar to Armo- cruelled by injuries.
Ok, he was a lot better than Armo ever was, in part thanks to great development
by a superior system- the Swans 'factory' makes ours look like a "mens' shed".

So...why pay so much for an older guy with a compromised body like Armo,
and why would he come when he's gonna be told to do all the heavy lifting to earn his $$?

[WellardSaint]

just saw a quote from Lethlean that we are keen on Dan and will do full medicals.
Not the same doctors as who signed off McCartin, hopefully.

Is Dan askin to come to us because:
- he knows he will play not many games for Swans (15 this yr was it?)
- he wants to maximise earnings, knows more chance of seniors with us
- Lade +Ratten attractive as coaches
- Swans like Saints, easy to deal with, see Skunk recruiting
- Saints publicly crying for players
- Saints silly enough to pay overs e.g. Pick 3-4

[WellardSaint]

2 years ago, he averaged over 30 touches per game.

This yr, 18 per game.
Wow.

[iwantmeseats]

What if it’s Freeman Mk2?
What excuses then.
It’s far too big of a risk for a club in this position in my opinion
Just smacks of pure desperation.

[HitTheBoundary]

If we recruit Hannebury then next time I hear "Oh When the Saints" I'm taking a knee.

[chico2001]

If they can get him back up to play every game and average about 20-25 good possessions a game then he will make a big difference to the midfield. If he is on the top money then this would be a minimum performance requirement....no excuses. Hopefully clark or Coffield can step up to 10-15 games. This gives us Hannebery, Steven, Ross, Steele, maybe clark or Coffield. Need to recruit one more skilled midfielder and a good ruckman who can actually use the ball in hand. This would be a great start for 2019.

[Stephen Theodore]

Perhaps we can swap McCartin for .... McCartin?

Not as silly as it sounds, except I was thinking more like, Mc Cartin and our fourth rounder for Hannebery and their second rounder

[Sainter_Dad]

How much of Hanners value is being at the feet of a more than competent ruckman????

Are we buying a brand new platinum setting for a cubic zirconia and trying to pas it off as a diamond?
How will he perform in a struggling midfield?

[fugazi]

Perhaps we can swap McCartin for .... McCartin?

Not as silly as it sounds, except I was thinking more like, Mc Cartin and our fourth rounder for Hannebery and their second rounder

What I really dont want to hear is that we are using pick 4 to get two late first round picks and then offloading one of them for Hanners, and triumphantly claiming "We got in a quality experienced player and still maintained a position in the first round" ....that would make me gag.

[CURLY]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

[CURLY]

How much of Hanners value is being at the feet of a more than competent ruckman????

Are we buying a brand new platinum setting for a cubic zirconia and trying to pas it off as a diamond?
How will he perform in a struggling midfield?

Who are these competent ruckman you speak of?

[HitTheBoundary]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

I think the concern around Hannebery is that we don't know which model we're going to get.

He's got a lot of mileage and wear and tear so a lot will depend on his roadworthy.

[Sainter_Dad]

How much of Hanners value is being at the feet of a more than competent ruckman????

Are we buying a brand new platinum setting for a cubic zirconia and trying to pas it off as a diamond?
How will he perform in a struggling midfield?

Who are these competent ruckman you speak of?

Mumford mostly (coincides with Dan tearing it up)
Naismith
Nankervis et al

[Sainter_Dad]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

I think the concern around Hannebery is that we don't know which model we're going to get.

He's got a lot of mileage and wear and tear so a lot will depend on his roadworthy.

I don't want to be there when they pack his gearbox with sawdust!

[stonecold]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

I think the concern around Hannebery is that we don't know which model we're going to get.

He's got a lot of mileage and wear and tear so a lot will depend on his roadworthy.

I don't want to be there when they pack his gearbox with sawdust!

Haha!!!!!

Or his Diff with Banana Peels!!!!!

[Saintmatt]

I'm happy that at least a proven Premiership player is wanting to come to us. I see the plus/minus as thus: -

Plus

Can seriously play when uninjured - has all the necessary tools. Still.
Respected by peers
Instantly becomes our 2nd most effective mid behind Steven (even if he's on one leg - says a lot about the other spuds we have)
Excellent trainer
Could drag a good player or two from another club wanting a change
Playing mid at Etihad is a lot less bruising than at SCG
Can't think our other mids wouldn't get excited playing with him and lift accordingly
Effective on-ground leadership (not the rubbish Geary provides). Would be the perfect person to help fast-track my preferred next Captain (Steele)


Minus

Has been injured a lot in the last two years
Length of contract - if 4 years guaranteed with a trigger for a 5th ... that's a year too long. If rather 3 with triggers for years 4 and 5
Can our medical team keep him out there long enough to justify the investment?
Rumoured love of the Colombian marching powder
Me being scared that we'll offer something more than a future 2nd round pick for him

Thoughts?

[chico2001]

I'm happy that at least a proven Premiership player is wanting to come to us. I see the plus/minus as thus: -

Plus

Can seriously play when uninjured - has all the necessary tools. Still.
Respected by peers
Instantly becomes our 2nd most effective mid behind Steven (even if he's on one leg - says a lot about the other spuds we have)
Excellent trainer
Could drag a good player or two from another club wanting a change
Playing mid at Etihad is a lot less bruising than at SCG
Can't think our other mids wouldn't get excited playing with him and lift accordingly
Effective on-ground leadership (not the rubbish Geary provides). Would be the perfect person to help fast-track my preferred next Captain (Steele)


Minus

Has been injured a lot in the last two years
Length of contract - if 4 years guaranteed with a trigger for a 5th ... that's a year too long. If rather 3 with triggers for years 4 and 5
Can our medical team keep him out there long enough to justify the investment?
Rumoured love of the Colombian marching powder
Me being scared that we'll offer something more than a future 2nd round pick for him

Thoughts?

We have to look at the plus side because if that doesnt work then my assessment of Lethlean and the club as the worlds greatest duds will ring true. As stated previously if we can get him at peak fitness and quality possessions it will work or why else would you buy him? Whats the point of putting a "minus" section in there? If they cant get him on the field then the deal is F**cked....end of story.
The midfield as named is competent- Ross and co can get the ball-that is proven. They are not as bad as posters make out ,they do need an experienced good midfielder to lean on. I guarantee it will turn to s*** if you dont get a good ruckman to get the ball to them.

[Saintmatt]

I'm happy that at least a proven Premiership player is wanting to come to us. I see the plus/minus as thus: -

Plus

Can seriously play when uninjured - has all the necessary tools. Still.
Respected by peers
Instantly becomes our 2nd most effective mid behind Steven (even if he's on one leg - says a lot about the other spuds we have)
Excellent trainer
Could drag a good player or two from another club wanting a change
Playing mid at Etihad is a lot less bruising than at SCG
Can't think our other mids wouldn't get excited playing with him and lift accordingly
Effective on-ground leadership (not the rubbish Geary provides). Would be the perfect person to help fast-track my preferred next Captain (Steele)


Minus

Has been injured a lot in the last two years
Length of contract - if 4 years guaranteed with a trigger for a 5th ... that's a year too long. If rather 3 with triggers for years 4 and 5
Can our medical team keep him out there long enough to justify the investment?
Rumoured love of the Colombian marching powder
Me being scared that we'll offer something more than a future 2nd round pick for him

Thoughts?

We have to look at the plus side because if that doesnt work then my assessment of Lethlean and the club as the worlds greatest duds will ring true. As stated previously if we can get him at peak fitness and quality possessions it will work or why else would you buy him? Whats the point of putting a "minus" section in there? If they cant get him on the field then the deal is F**cked....end of story.
The midfield as named is competent- Ross and co can get the ball-that is proven. They are not as bad as posters make out ,they do need an experienced good midfielder to lean on. I guarantee it will turn to s*** if you dont get a good ruckman to get the ball to them.

Fair enough - I just think it's important to understand the risk in any transaction because then you can price it accordingly (i.e. how much you give up trade-wise). Absolutely we have to look at the positives but I disagree that our mids are competent. I do agree that they can get it - even from a Ruckman other than our own normally - but after that it generally turns to poop.

The main thing - I don't see Hanneberry taking the spot of any other good young up and coming mid on our list (mainly because we don't have any .. Gresh is a pinch hit at best). Personally, I'd trade Dunstan, bring in Hanneberry and learn to rotate Seb, Acres and Steele through there with Jack Steven (and in time - Clarke and Coffied + the one we get with pick 4)

[bigcarl]

Would prefer McCartin for Hannebery straight swap. Both have body issues. McCartin younger and can develop with his brother for the post Franklin era. Hannebery proven champ if his body gets right but only 3 - 5 years left.

Interesting hypothetical. With McCartin's brother already at Sydney, it actually seems plausible.

Not the worst idea. One banged up, high risk player for another.

We can’t afford to pay overs for Hannebery. The Swans seem pretty keen to get him off their books, which says something to me.

[Viking3]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

Well said Curly! Spot on with the piss and moan.
I don't read as much on here as I used to because of the pissing and moaning.
Don't see much Fidelius happening.

[chico2001]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

Well said Curly! Spot on with the piss and moan.
I don't read as much on here as I used to because of the pissing and moaning.
Don't see much Fidelius happening.

4 lines between the two of you....nothing constructive, nothing positive, yet you accuse others of "pissing and moaning" why are you wasting your time on here? You probably <edited by mods> your bed every night too ... <edited by mods>

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[degruch]

People cry about our development of players and yet a fantastic trainer and on field leader like Hannerbry becomes available to us still piss and moan.

Well said Curly! Spot on with the piss and moan.
I don't read as much on here as I used to because of the pissing and moaning.
Don't see much Fidelius happening.

The discussion is clearly around whether he will even be available to train or lead, given his recent history, and whether as the media seems to be hinting, we're stupid and desperate enough to flick our first pick for him...hence the validity of the pissing and moaning.

[Saintmatt]

Would prefer McCartin for Hannebery straight swap. Both have body issues. McCartin younger and can develop with his brother for the post Franklin era. Hannebery proven champ if his body gets right but only 3 - 5 years left.

Interesting hypothetical. With McCartin's brother already at Sydney, it actually seems plausible.

Not the worst idea. One banged up, high risk player for another.

We can’t afford to pay overs for Hannebery. The Swans seem pretty keen to get him off their books, which says something to me.

The Swans wanting to get him off their books is actually pretty simple and not just about Hanner's body. In the next 3 years, they have to find cap space/money for: -

Florent
Hayward
Mills
Heaney
McCartin

[takeaway]

I'm happy that at least a proven Premiership player is wanting to come to us. I see the plus/minus as thus: -

Plus

Can seriously play when uninjured - has all the necessary tools. Still.
Respected by peers
Instantly becomes our 2nd most effective mid behind Steven (even if he's on one leg - says a lot about the other spuds we have)
Excellent trainer
Could drag a good player or two from another club wanting a change
Playing mid at Etihad is a lot less bruising than at SCG
Can't think our other mids wouldn't get excited playing with him and lift accordingly
Effective on-ground leadership (not the rubbish Geary provides). Would be the perfect person to help fast-track my preferred next Captain (Steele)


Minus

Has been injured a lot in the last two years
Length of contract - if 4 years guaranteed with a trigger for a 5th ... that's a year too long. If rather 3 with triggers for years 4 and 5
Can our medical team keep him out there long enough to justify the investment?
Rumoured love of the Colombian marching powder
Me being scared that we'll offer something more than a future 2nd round pick for him

Thoughts?

Generally agree with most of your plus/minuses.

However, I wouldn't have thought Seb Ross was a spud (I would put him ahead of Hannebury this year), along with your preferred next Captain - Steele. Armo also is past his prime, but has never been a spud when fit. FWIW, personally I wouldn't use the term "spud" for any player that makes it to AFL. Why not OP - ordinary player? Unfortunately, demeans your post.