Saints Pledge to Quit Pokies

[bigcarl]

Pretty simple really. Just say the club supports responsible gambling.

Yes, some people have problems with gambling and other addictions, including alcohol. The majority don’t and there is nothing wrong with moderate drinking or a flutter.

For those who do have addiction problems, there is help available. Getting themselves right is their responsibility.

What’s next? A booze ban at the social club?

[Cairnsman]

Bad move. We need $'s unfortunately.

Exactly. Now they’ll go and lose their money at the TAB rather than StK FC

Yep. Or more like they will gamble at pokie joints within a 5km radius. I personally don't play or care about pokies but the clubs possible future stance makes little sense.

Why does everything offend everyone these days?
Next there will be a problem that Reflex Paper sponsors our chick side because they aren't environmentally friendly or their supplier accidently killed a couple of orangutans in an Indonesian forest when felling trees.

What's this 5km radius you speak of, that's so old school and takes too much time and effort, people like to transfer thier money from thier account directly into others by direct deposit and within arms reach of thier phone. It's all done with finger tips now, no need for a lengthy 5km journey. Do it from the comfort of your lounge room while watch the racing channel.

I wonder if the club has exposed themselves to criticism by taking out the option for punters to get a bit of exercise on the way to make thier transfers.

[shanegrambeau]

Pokie revenue:
We only ...gross) $2 mil.

...pokies have cost us (net) millions....not worth it!

Moral issues (yes, they do matter!):
I suspect that we are actually doing minimal damage (c/f + Kennett heading up 'Beyond Blue' = hypocrisy

But...,

One of the things that I'm most proud of re out wonderful maverick club, is its fantastic social outreach work.

And to those who say "If they don't blow their money with us, they'll just blow the same money at another pokie venue." This argument is (wrong, faulty etc.)




Summary:
For our club, getting rid of the pokies is the right thing to do... morally and also... economically.

I respectfully cant agree with you on almost all yoour points here. I don’t want pokies, I hate pokies and I think Crown is a monumental sh&t hole, an eyesore physically and culturally etc. it could be a mega shopping, dining, cinema etc. landmark icon and employ thousands more, just in case people argue that it keeps people employed.
Jeff kennet is one reason I left Victoria and escaped to Japan. The year I qualified as a high school teacher, Jeff and co pulled down the whole career apparatus leaving a veritable free-for-all for employers and employees.

But, I think we should recognize that,
1) just because our revenue stream from pokies was poor doesn’t mean it has to be always....
2) Our leaders made the move to Seaford partly because of pokies but that doesn’t discount that they had poor forsight or may have been reactionary instead of taking a slow and steady approach with the then council at Kingston
3) saying that if they don’t spend with us they’ll spend elsewhere is a pretty decent assumption to make IMo, and it counts if they drive over to Dingley and give their money to the Hawks.

Speaking of social outreach, and I am aware that using your expression here in a different context can be insulting and I do not want that, just look at the NSW RSL industry. These guys make billions from pokies and finance just about anything...they could build an aircraft carrier and fly it to the moon.

The scandal at Dee Why RSL last year from the Sydney morning herald and the NSW media in general throughout 2018 is full of stories about incredible earnings. Now we can add online Casinos Online pokies to the mix and Aussies are pouting their funds into that too.
My summary, pokies suck but they are lucaratuve. If the AFL clubs snub them, watch the soccer clubs clean up!

From Sydney morning story about 45 father suicide last year
Profits from pokies have gathered at such a pace that the clubs have expanded into property development, aged care, retirement villages and childcare. Dee Why, for its part, is embracing this “cradle-to-grave” strategy. It has retirement village assets, a childcare centre, a bowling alley, a service station. And it is building on. A proposal is with Council may ironically see it plonk more senior living units on top of its vast gaming room.

[Joffa Burns]

Bad move. We need $'s unfortunately.

Exactly. Now they’ll go and lose their money at the TAB rather than StK FC

Yep. Or more like they will gamble at pokie joints within a 5km radius. I personally don't play or care about pokies but the clubs possible future stance makes little sense.

Why does everything offend everyone these days?
Next there will be a problem that Reflex Paper sponsors our chick side because they aren't environmentally friendly or their supplier accidently killed a couple of orangutans in an Indonesian forest when felling trees.

What's this 5km radius you speak of, that's so old school and takes too much time and effort, people like to transfer thier money from thier account directly into others by direct deposit and within arms reach of thier phone. It's all done with finger tips now, no need for a lengthy 5km journey. Do it from the comfort of your lounge room while watch the racing channel.

I wonder if the club has exposed themselves to criticism by taking out the option for punters to get a bit of exercise on the way to make thier transfers.

There could be any number of reasons for exiting pokies and without seeing a P&L it is pure speculation.

It seems more logical that the RTI is poor or compliance cost or taxes would be more of a reason than social responsibility.

Saints are not a volume based business so revenue will not be a concern.

Without being familiar with the set up I wonder if the demographic that frequent these establishments may turn away other types of business investment that might generate a profitable opportunity.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Bad move. We need $'s unfortunately.

Exactly. Now they’ll go and lose their money at the TAB rather than StK FC

Yep. Or more like they will gamble at pokie joints within a 5km radius. I personally don't play or care about pokies but the clubs possible future stance makes little sense.

Why does everything offend everyone these days?
Next there will be a problem that Reflex Paper sponsors our chick side because they aren't environmentally friendly or their supplier accidently killed a couple of orangutans in an Indonesian forest when felling trees.

What's this 5km radius you speak of, that's so old school and takes too much time and effort, people like to transfer thier money from thier account directly into others by direct deposit and within arms reach of thier phone. It's all done with finger tips now, no need for a lengthy 5km journey. Do it from the comfort of your lounge room while watch the racing channel.

I wonder if the club has exposed themselves to criticism by taking out the option for punters to get a bit of exercise on the way to make thier transfers.

In regards to the 5km radius, I'd assume the majority of punters at Moorabbin Social are locals and regulars. Probably always have been. How many actually care about or support the Saints? Probably not many and I don't think they would do online gambling! . The main clients are probably old grannies from Lintom St so in essence why do we care? Why? If people want to spend their pension or paycheck on pokies at Moorabbin Social then be my guest. Its a few more millions of $'s in our coffers and we bloody need it. Big time.

Moorabbin Social also sells cheap booze at away games and helps people get pissed easier. That will be next on the hitlist, just wait and see.

Moorabbin Social getting rid of its pokies will do nothing for gambling addicts. They will simply find the next best place to punt. As someone posted, there is nothing wrong with moderate and sensible gambling and drinking. It can be a good outlet for some folk from the everyday grind, just like going to the footy is. Also similar to ugly blokes that need to visit a lady of the night for a some sexual relations. Everything has its place in society. It has been so since the days of ancient Rome.

[shanegrambeau]

I wonder if the demographic that frequent these establishments may turn away other types of business investment that might generate a profitable opportunity.

Would you think Hawthorn have lost business because of their lucrative pokie haul?

And how about those RSL and NSW clubs that have now made so much they are actually contributing to a building boom according to the SMH.

I think more business attracts more business attracts more business and so on...

Again, just because our business was small doesn't mean it had to be forever. Like telling North Melbourne in 1974, "we are a small, minor club who don't win flags"

[Joffa Burns]

I wonder if the demographic that frequent these establishments may turn away other types of business investment that might generate a profitable opportunity.

Would you think Hawthorn have lost business because of their lucrative pokie haul?

And how about those RSL and NSW clubs that have now made so much they are actually contributing to a building boom according to the SMH.

I think more business attracts more business attracts more business and so on...

Again, just because our business was small doesn't mean it had to be forever. Like telling North Melbourne in 1974, "we are a small, minor club who don't win flags"

To be honest I couldn’t answer any of these valid questions.

Don’t gamble and haven’t been in a pokies venue for years.

I do however have a company located very close to (arguably) the biggest and most successful RSL in Australia in Rooty Hill.

I have seen the main stream punter who attends this site for the pokies and it’s not pretty.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

You know what is sad, real sad...is when you drive past and see a few cars parked at a 24 hour pokie joint in the early morning or well after midnight on a weekday...even early on in the week. I feel sorry for those people. Poor f****.

[skeptic]

I think the main takeaway here is that gambling in Victoria is a huge issue and far bigger than the St.Kilda FC.

The way it’s advertised here during sport programming is disgusting and whilst I applaud the club for its stance, really it should be our government leading the way on this opposed to this type of gesture that will pbly make very little difference.

[SaintPav]

The day the club stops acting like a parasite by generating revenue off the misfortune and weakness of its supporters will be a good day...

Hold on a minute...

[sunsaint]

civil liberties..
my rights...

bring back ashtrays on the bar ?
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[SaintPav]

The theory of moral sentiments.

[SaintPav]

I think the main takeaway here is that gambling in Victoria is a huge issue and far bigger than the St.Kilda FC.

The way it’s advertised here during sport programming is disgusting and whilst I applaud the club for its stance, really it should be our government leading the way on this opposed to this type of gesture that will pbly make very little difference.

Err.

NO

[Joffa Burns]

I think the main takeaway here is that gambling in Victoria is a huge issue and far bigger than the St.Kilda FC.

The way it’s advertised here during sport programming is disgusting and whilst I applaud the club for its stance, really it should be our government leading the way on this opposed to this type of gesture that will pbly make very little difference.

Skeptic, this is correct if the decision is based morally.
Do we have any evidence supporting this theory?
If so the hats off to the saints.

It seems to me unlikely that a club who is reportedly $12M in debt has taken a moral stand.

And what’s next if a moral stand?
Is junk food ok? Is obesity worse than gambling?
What about alcohol? Bacon? Confectionary?

What if a brothel wanted to sponsor us?

But worst of all what if our sponsor was one of the big 4 banks or a superannuation fund?
Surely they are worse than pokies?

[Cairnsman]

Over population is the elephant in the room that most governments can't talk about because of the economic models they are tethered to. It's as big a lever as climate change. Both levers need pulling simultaneously.

Maybe the club could be looking to condom manufacturers and castration clinics for sponsorship.

We are the progressive club. Think big.

To infinity and beyond.

[saintspremiers]

Let’s cut to the chase.

The same peanut that comes to every AGM asked his stock standard question re pokies at the last AGM.

Finnis replied (as he wasn’t allowed to tell him to forkoff!) that the club in the ideal world would move out of pokies provided there was an alternative/replacement revenue stream, which there isn’t at this stage.

End of discussion

[sunsaint]

Maybe the club could be looking to condom manufacturers and castration clinics for sponsorship.

ok no one saw that smoking and pokies is a problem that solves itself - over time
and the smoke wall should keep the whingey whiners away
Can the govt mandate that you must smoke if you play pokies ? - immediate increase in revenue

anyway if you want to go down the sterilisation path - maybe the club can offer a free or discounted snip to members

think of the dear little children that would be saved from the scorn of inherited and enforced indoctrination to stkilda

[Cairnsman]

Maybe the club could be looking to condom manufacturers and castration clinics for sponsorship.

ok no one saw that smoking and pokies is a problem that solves itself - over time
and the smoke wall should keep the whingey whiners away
Can the govt mandate that you must smoke if you play pokies ? - immediate increase in revenue

anyway if you want to go down the sterilisation path - maybe the club can offer a free or discounted snip to members

think of the dear little children that would be saved from the scorn of inherited and enforced indoctrination to stkilda

And if you can't afford the snip then just get your hands on 2 bricks.

[sunsaint]

And if you can't afford the snip then just get your hands on 2 bricks.

wonder if I could ever get that sponsors brick back...
if you bought one - I have a business proposition

[shanegrambeau]

Over population is the elephant in the room that most governments can't talk about because of the economic models they are tethered to.

Indeed.
Growth, growth, growth..
clap, clap, clap...

no one even asks about per capita...just overall growth - their super fund is tied to overall growth, ditto their property value, so who cares if the cost-of-living is through the roof.

Smaller and smarter = does not compute

if the whole AFL culture is dong its 'we hate pokies bit' just like governments say, 'we hate coal' then politcal inertia dictates the babble PR...let it rest...

Meanwhile, we'll get the pokies made in China where we can sell that coal to make 'em.

[Cairnsman]

Over population is the elephant in the room that most governments can't talk about because of the economic models they are tethered to.

Indeed.
Growth, growth, growth..
clap, clap, clap...

no one even asks about per capita...just overall growth - their super fund is tied to overall growth, ditto their property value, so who cares if the cost-of-living is through the roof.

Smaller and smarter = does not compute

if the whole AFL culture is dong its 'we hate pokies bit' just like governments say, 'we hate coal' then politcal inertia dictates the babble PR...let it rest...

Meanwhile, we'll get the pokies made in China where we can sell that coal to make 'em.

And you have to ask yourself, why is government and business only now happy to put the cash cow out to pasture, could it be because the cash cow now grazes the internet for cash in the form of online gambling with operational costs signsicacntly less than the bricks and mortar operations required for pokies...just pondering out in the open.

[mordiboyz]

Growth areas:

* Womens AFL
* Social media product promotion known as influencing
* Streaming internet TV channel specifically for St Kilda content (e.g St Kilda TV)
* Use of Moorabbin for social events and functions hire
* Plus more - I could keep on going for a while

Decline Areas:

* Pokies

[shanegrambeau]

Decline Areas:

* Pokies

I think we are in danger of conflating pokies with gambling in this discussion. (Woops, gambling IS pokies!)
Austtralia are now the number one gambling country in the world. Highest gambling participation in the world. 20% of the worlds pokies are in Australia. BBC ran a story on our escalating gambling.

AFL is our fourth favorite betting pastime.
Online is also booming and I wonder how much is actually recorded by the authorities anyway?

In India, here: https://www.betrallyindia.com/aussie-rules/afl/ you can get 1:21 on us to beat Gold Coast, but there are sights in Hindi that might help too.

Pokies maybe just the eye-sore - the canker on the surface - that we are trying to hide, but gambling itself, and sports gambling is not in decline. It is booming.

[ausfatcat]

Austtralia are now the number one gambling country in the world. Highest gambling participation in the world. 20% of the worlds pokies are in Australia. BBC ran a story on our escalating gambling.

Source please

[ausfatcat]

Growth areas:

* Womens AFL
* Social media product promotion known as influencing
* Streaming internet TV channel specifically for St Kilda content (e.g St Kilda TV)
* Use of Moorabbin for social events and functions hire
* Plus more - I could keep on going for a while

Decline Areas:

* Pokies

Please keep going because....

Does any of that actually generate any income (apart from maybe if lucky 10k a year in function fees for the use of Moorabbin)? Money in real terms? I mean a youtube clip with a 100k watch what nets $10 will that cover the shortfall?