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mightysainters wrote: ↑Mon 06 May 2019 9:20am
I understand Hindsight is 20/20 but this isn’t hindsight a lot of people who knew enough about the draft and Under 18’s knew it was the strongest mid draft in the last 20 years especially the top 4 or so mids... these were:
Walsh
Rankine
Smith
Rozee
All huge wraps on them, instead we chose a KPF who was injured nearly the whole year. I won’t harp on this because i already have made numerous threads, but this thread can track the two that got away.. smith and rozee.
Both absolutely flying early.. Rozee and smith both look like serious players and I’m gutted they’re not wth us.
Walsh and Rankine were gone by our pick. No one at the time thought that Rozee was as good as those two.
If you re-read his post you will understand that he was talking about taking Smith and Rozee.
As for Rozee, many, including our own head recruiter, thought Rozee would have been worth taking with our first pick.
Rozee, like King, grew up as a St Kilda supporter.
Rozee also is not an "Adelaide Boy".
Rozee was recruited out of the North Adelaide SANFL.
So last year at least he lived in South Australia.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
I am obviously talking about Rozee and Smith. For those of you who haven’t seems Rozee this year he is exactly what we needed. Goal kicking, quick, classy and gets the pill plenty. In regards to Smith, he was so damn good against tigers he absolutely killed them.
Point is, is we were screaming out for midfield class and these two had it in spades!
Also this is not hindsight, these two were the clear no brainers
mightysainters wrote: ↑Mon 06 May 2019 9:20am
I understand Hindsight is 20/20 but this isn’t hindsight a lot of people who knew enough about the draft and Under 18’s knew it was the strongest mid draft in the last 20 years especially the top 4 or so mids... these were:
Walsh
Rankine
Smith
Rozee
All huge wraps on them, instead we chose a KPF who was injured nearly the whole year. I won’t harp on this because i already have made numerous threads, but this thread can track the two that got away.. smith and rozee.
Both absolutely flying early.. Rozee and smith both look like serious players and I’m gutted they’re not wth us.
Getting in before King has even played a VFL game?
Taking a Key Forward is looking like a master stroke right now...
mightysainters wrote: ↑Mon 06 May 2019 9:20am
I understand Hindsight is 20/20 but this isn’t hindsight a lot of people who knew enough about the draft and Under 18’s knew it was the strongest mid draft in the last 20 years especially the top 4 or so mids... these were:
Walsh
Rankine
Smith
Rozee
All huge wraps on them, instead we chose a KPF who was injured nearly the whole year. I won’t harp on this because i already have made numerous threads, but this thread can track the two that got away.. smith and rozee.
Both absolutely flying early.. Rozee and smith both look like serious players and I’m gutted they’re not wth us.
Walsh and Rankine were gone by our pick. No one at the time thought that Rozee was as good as those two.
If you re-read his post you will understand that he was talking about taking Smith and Rozee.
As for Rozee, many, including our own head recruiter, thought Rozee would have been worth taking with our first pick.
Rozee, like King, grew up as a St Kilda supporter.
Rozee also is not an "Adelaide Boy".
He's from Port Augusta where he played his junior footy before playing SANFL. Both Adelaide clubs were into him and the others.
I agree that early, Rozee is really impressive, but Smith? Yes he's a good player, nothing indicating a champion yet, more like a solid good mid. Pick 4 would have been way over for him. To ignore a 6' 8" key forward with Riewoldt like athelticism and who marks at an incredibly high point, for Smith would have been insanity. Even slightly mad if we'd taken Rozee ahead of him, who no one rated anywhere near Walsh and Rankine. He's started well, but 7 games don't make a Rob Harvey.
When the legendary Bart Cummings went to the yearling sales he purchased healthy young horses with a good confirmation.
At last years draft we got the lanky King with his crook knee, Bytell with his broken back and Hannebury with his proven issues. Before that we got the overweight Patrick McCartin with his known health issues, and Nathan Freeman with his known problems.
Statistically we're going against the probability of getting a winner, doesn't mean it won't happen, it's just that the odds are not in our favor.
Rozee looks fantastic and is worthy of being a top 5 selection but I'm still content with our recruiters taking Max King ahead of him. Midfielders are a dime a dozen but a match winning key forward that will turn games are not easy to come by. I've seen Max play schoolboy footy and he is definitely special.
We don't want to put too much pressure on the kid initially but he will be a star...
Toy Saint wrote: ↑Mon 06 May 2019 9:38pm
When the legendary Bart Cummings went to the yearling sales he purchased healthy young horses with a good confirmation.
At last years draft we got the lanky King with his crook knee, Bytell with his broken back and Hannebury with his proven issues. Before that we got the overweight Patrick McCartin with his known health issues, and Nathan Freeman with his known problems.
Statistically we're going against the probability of getting a winner, doesn't mean it won't happen, it's just that the odds are not in our favor.
Absolutely spot on... couldn’t have put it better myself
I don't see the point of this. You draft players hoping for a 10+ year career. We are only 7 games into their careers in their first season. Its ridiculous to be talking about any rookie and who we drafted at the moment in any proper context and honesty.
King might end up being the best player in that entire draft at the end of it all which is probably 15 years away. We needed a key forward that has the potential to be anything and we got him. Just like Nick Riewoldt.
Posters that have admitted they were wrong about Hanna's gastro and the club didn't create a cover story.
Total = 1.
No reason to take it all so personally; it’s a just discussion, Ted.
If you don’t like it, follow your own advice and ignore it. Simple.
I hope that King works out to be the greatest forward of all time but as a long standing member, if the rumour is true, I’m deeply concerned that Lethlean is overruling our senior recruiting staff. This is not good practice.
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.
My top 4 in order of preference for our first pick were Rankine, Walsh, Smith, Rozee. I was hoping like crazy that we didn't take the low percentage selection of the beanpole key forward with a severe knee injury and almost no exposed draft year form, but here we are. Just like I was hoping like hell that we didn't take the lumbering, slow key forward with diabetes at pick 1. Let's hope King is more Joe Daniher than Tyrone Vickery. But realistically, key forwards taken in the top 10 have about a 20% success rate.
mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 07 May 2019 11:34am
Let's hope King is more Joe Daniher than Tyrone Vickery. But realistically, key forwards taken in the top 10 have about a 20% success rate.
Let's hope he can kick like Daniher too - goals from 65 metres out. That way we can avoid F50 entries.
mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 07 May 2019 11:34am
My top 4 in order of preference for our first pick were Rankine, Walsh, Smith, Rozee. I was hoping like crazy that we didn't take the low percentage selection of the beanpole key forward with a severe knee injury and almost no exposed draft year form, but here we are. Just like I was hoping like hell that we didn't take the lumbering, slow key forward with diabetes at pick 1. Let's hope King is more Joe Daniher than Tyrone Vickery. But realistically, key forwards taken in the top 10 have about a 20% success rate.
Once again a terrible post peddling this absolute crap.
mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 07 May 2019 11:34am
My top 4 in order of preference for our first pick were Rankine, Walsh, Smith, Rozee. I was hoping like crazy that we didn't take the low percentage selection of the beanpole key forward with a severe knee injury and almost no exposed draft year form, but here we are. Just like I was hoping like hell that we didn't take the lumbering, slow key forward with diabetes at pick 1. Let's hope King is more Joe Daniher than Tyrone Vickery. But realistically, key forwards taken in the top 10 have about a 20% success rate.
But King is a Saints fan and may be our next Roo or Kosi.
It’s all about marketing and dreaming.
Players like Wilkie, Parker, Hind and Young were recruited for the here and now to get the job done in the seniors this year. Richo said that last bit at the AGM.
mad saint guy wrote: ↑Tue 07 May 2019 11:34am
My top 4 in order of preference for our first pick were Rankine, Walsh, Smith, Rozee. I was hoping like crazy that we didn't take the low percentage selection of the beanpole key forward with a severe knee injury and almost no exposed draft year form, but here we are. Just like I was hoping like hell that we didn't take the lumbering, slow key forward with diabetes at pick 1. Let's hope King is more Joe Daniher than Tyrone Vickery. But realistically, key forwards taken in the top 10 have about a 20% success rate.
But King is a Saints fan and may be our next Roo or Kosi.
It’s all about marketing and dreaming.
Players like Wilkie, Parker, Hind and Young were recruited for the here and now to get the job done in the seniors this year. Richo said that last bit at the AGM.
We have a poster Called Con/Aussie Jonestown that mentions regularly the marketing and dreaming and how certain players were fans or good citizens and something about 33%.
Are you saying marketing and dreaming are bad things and recruiting a player that is a fan is wrong?
