St.kilda's Coaching Selection Committee

[st.byron]

The issue at play here IMO is that the majority of the criticism directed at Richo over the last 18 months has been about his performance as coach and his decision making.

The criticism of that criticism has focused more on supporter loyalty, a perception of things being personal and this bizarre concept that posting an opinion on this opinion forum is underhanded and reflects cowardice.

Very little of effort actually goes into challenging or even discussing the topics at play here... I suspect that the reason for this is ultimately that a lot of the quote unquote criticism is reflected in both performance, results and decision making now.

Have never understood the underlying current of trying to turn this into something that it’s not.

Me personally, I’ve never abused Richo or criticised his character. I have been highly critical over his decision making / performance as I’ve seen it over 18mths.
I talk about that on this forum. Would I say any of this stuff directly to Richo? It’s hard to see a scenario where that would be appropriate to do so... I’m hardly going to approach him on the street or yell stuff over the fence at Moorabbin. Weird behaviour.

There is no need for things to get personal. Don’t know why people feel the need to try and make it so.

Couldn’t agree more Skeptic. There’s a definite and clear divide between criticism, and in Richo’s case - very warranted criticism, of someone’s performance in their job and attaching that person outside of their job. I can’t recall anyone abusing Richardson personally, just lots of people saying he was not, in numerous ways, up to the job. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

[Enrico_Misso]

Can we PLEASE appoint Ratts NOW!

[barks4eva]

Can we PLEASE appoint Ratts NOW!

Struggled to shake off a truly pathetic Melbourne.

I've never seen a team turn the ball over more in one game ever.
Melbourne scored 13.7.85 and coincidently also conceded their entire score of 13.7.85 in turnovers.

St.kilda actually turned it over a lot... it's just that Melbourne were far worse.
The fact that Melbourne were still in front in the last quarter and that there were so many lead changes against a truly pathetic opposition is nothing to get too excited about.

Simon Goodwin coaching another Badloss.
I'd rather Alan Richardson as coach if it were a choice between the two.
I thought he was a dud from the day they appointed him.

An unconvincing win against a rabble is nothing to get excited by.
Melbourne's skill level was atrocious and yet they still led the game in the last quarter.

I'm not convinced Brett Rattan is the best option to coach and less so after this game!

[axcellence]

Can we PLEASE appoint Ratts NOW!

Struggled to shake off a truly pathetic Melbourne.

I've never seen a team turn the ball over more in one game ever.
Melbourne scored 13.7.85 and coincidently also conceded their entire score of 13.7.85 in turnovers.

St.kilda actually turned it over a lot... it's just that Melbourne were far worse.
The fact that Melbourne were still in front in the last quarter and that there were so many lead changes against a truly pathetic opposition is nothing to get too excited about.

Simon Goodwin coaching another Badloss.
I'd rather Alan Richardson as coach if it were a choice between the two.
I thought he was a dud from the day they appointed him.

An unconvincing win against a rabble is nothing to get excited by.
Melbourne's skill level was atrocious and yet they still led the game in the last quarter.

I'm not convinced Brett Rattan is the best option to coach and less so after this game!

Depends on next week’s selection... Needs to make the right choices. I give him a pass coz he spoke to Richo earlier in the week.

[Josh Battle]

Can we PLEASE appoint Ratts NOW!

Struggled to shake off a truly pathetic Melbourne.

I've never seen a team turn the ball over more in one game ever.
Melbourne scored 13.7.85 and coincidently also conceded their entire score of 13.7.85 in turnovers.

St.kilda actually turned it over a lot... it's just that Melbourne were far worse.
The fact that Melbourne were still in front in the last quarter and that there were so many lead changes against a truly pathetic opposition is nothing to get too excited about.

Simon Goodwin coaching another Badloss.
I'd rather Alan Richardson as coach if it were a choice between the two.
I thought he was a dud from the day they appointed him.

An unconvincing win against a rabble is nothing to get excited by.
Melbourne's skill level was atrocious and yet they still led the game in the last quarter.

I'm not convinced Brett Rattan is the best option to coach and less so after this game!

The other bloke stamped his brand on the team after 5 and a half years

I wasn't expecting us to to be a top 4 team with silky skills after Ratts was head coach for 10 days...were you?

Would another 3 wins convince you?

[barks4eva]

Can we PLEASE appoint Ratts NOW!

Struggled to shake off a truly pathetic Melbourne.

I've never seen a team turn the ball over more in one game ever.
Melbourne scored 13.7.85 and coincidently also conceded their entire score of 13.7.85 in turnovers.

St.kilda actually turned it over a lot... it's just that Melbourne were far worse.
The fact that Melbourne were still in front in the last quarter and that there were so many lead changes against a truly pathetic opposition is nothing to get too excited about.

Simon Goodwin coaching another Badloss.
I'd rather Alan Richardson as coach if it were a choice between the two.
I thought he was a dud from the day they appointed him.

An unconvincing win against a rabble is nothing to get excited by.
Melbourne's skill level was atrocious and yet they still led the game in the last quarter.

I'm not convinced Brett Rattan is the best option to coach and less so after this game!

The other bloke stamped his brand on the team after 5 and a half years

I wasn't expecting us to to be a top 4 team with silky skills after Ratts was head coach for 10 days...were you?

Would another 3 wins convince you?

The main point is that Melbourne's skills were deplorable and they conceded 13.7.85 with turnovers.
They still managed to score 13.7.85 while conceding the same amount in turnovers.
This must be close to an AFL record to concede 85 points in turn overs.
Any decent team would have smashed St.kilda on last nights performance.

[Josh Battle]

I suppose when you've got your heart set on the bloke whose team can only kick 2 goals for an entire game of footy in 2019, I can understand how you'd go to the stat sheet to support your opinion

[barks4eva]

I suppose when you've got your heart set on the bloke whose team can only kick 2 goals for an entire game of footy in 2019, I can understand how you'd go to the stat sheet to support your opinion

I'm confused by your reply.

What are you talking about?

Who and what are you referring to?

[Josh Battle]

The derby in WA this year

I dunno, maybe another team in the AFL has only kicked 2 goals for an entire match this year and I missed it

[barks4eva]

The derby in WA this year

I dunno, maybe another team in the AFL has only kicked 2 goals for an entire match this year and I missed it

Oh, you're referring to Ross Lyon.

I think he'll be coaching Carlton if he does leave Fremantle.

You're mistaken and confusing my recent posts around the circumstances of his departure eight years ago as somehow me wanting him to be the next coach.

My preference is for Lenny Hayes

[Josh Battle]

Good.

Here's a post that I keep remembering everytime people say we should get Harves and Hayes back as coaches

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=98029&p=1791709&hil ... e#p1791709

[Linton Lodger]

You forget the Chair of the committee is our Pres. Very astute businessman from the recruitment industry. Doesn't give the impression he would let a boys club sway him.

Think this prez might be a puppet sadly ....
This decision is appalling

On the contrary, I think the Committee is all show and all decisions will be Bassat's.

[Joffa Burns]

Good.

Here's a post that I keep remembering everytime people say we should get Harves and Hayes back as coaches

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=98029&p=1791709&hil ... e#p1791709

Just checked your link and came across this gem.

Hearing M. Voss.

Update required

[Joffa Burns]

Coaching update from our most reliable ITK.

Looks like we’ll have our answer before the last game

Surprised Mickey Milkshake not on the list

Hearing M. Voss.

Rumours surrounding Lyon coming to Saints.

Robert Harvey in the running for head coach.

This is gathering momentum. Look out.

Ratts for coach...

Hearing B Scott will be the coach unless we can coax someone else.

Coach will be announced before our last game.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Do you have a life or job?

You got a 1 week ban last time for this sort of abuse, stalking, harassment and baiting.

[Joffa Burns]

As I wrote at the time, was well worth it!

And actually, no I do not have a job

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

No surprises there.

[HighettMan]

The issue at play here IMO is that the majority of the criticism directed at Richo over the last 18 months has been about his performance as coach and his decision making.

The criticism of that criticism has focused more on supporter loyalty, a perception of things being personal and this bizarre concept that posting an opinion on this opinion forum is underhanded and reflects cowardice.

Very little of effort actually goes into challenging or even discussing the topics at play here... I suspect that the reason for this is ultimately that a lot of the quote unquote criticism is reflected in both performance, results and decision making now.

Have never understood the underlying current of trying to turn this into something that it’s not.

Me personally, I’ve never abused Richo or criticised his character. I have been highly critical over his decision making / performance as I’ve seen it over 18mths.
I talk about that on this forum. Would I say any of this stuff directly to Richo? It’s hard to see a scenario where that would be appropriate to do so... I’m hardly going to approach him on the street or yell stuff over the fence at Moorabbin. Weird behaviour.

There is no need for things to get personal. Don’t know why people feel the need to try and make it so.

Couldn’t agree more Skeptic. There’s a definite and clear divide between criticism, and in Richo’s case - very warranted criticism, of someone’s performance in their job and attaching that person outside of their job. I can’t recall anyone abusing Richardson personally, just lots of people saying he was not, in numerous ways, up to the job. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

I couldn't disagree more Skeptic. You are attempting to re write history and SB is trying to support you in that because he has the most to be embarrassed about. Do a search for posts between SB and myself for 2018 around the time there was just plain and blatant lies and false claims perpetuated on here by SB about Richo throwing players under the bus to protect himself. Pretty certain you bounced into that echo chamber too. Upshot of that was SB could never provide evidence to back up his lies and false claims. Then roll forward to posts between SB and myself over the off season where SB was making further lies and false claims about Richo but using someone he claimed was in ITK who was involved in the club around 2015 to 2016 that told him things that gave his lies and false claims credibility and used to denigrate Alans character. SB won't want to get involved in this discussion because I'll just embarrass him further by asking him to provide proof, something he never could do (the search function will find the threads). I suspect he was so embarrassed it was the reason I didn't see any posting from him since the pre season right up until a few weeks before Richo resigned. He made it very personal, a match day thread, probably one of Alan's last where he was very personal. Very very clear SB is not right in life himself and Alan was his outlet. So please don't revise history.

<highettman has received a second level permanent ban due to 3 x 1 week bans and this unacceptable and unnecessary post referencing a poster's mental health is the last straw>

[Joffa Burns]

No surprises there.

Was that addressed to me?

[BackFromUSA]

Children! You are wondering into ongoing dispute territory!

Stop the bickering now or you face a one week ban.

[Scollop]

The issue at play here IMO is that the majority of the criticism directed at Richo over the last 18 months has been about his performance as coach and his decision making.

The criticism of that criticism has focused more on supporter loyalty, a perception of things being personal and this bizarre concept that posting an opinion on this opinion forum is underhanded and reflects cowardice.

Very little of effort actually goes into challenging or even discussing the topics at play here... I suspect that the reason for this is ultimately that a lot of the quote unquote criticism is reflected in both performance, results and decision making now.

Have never understood the underlying current of trying to turn this into something that it’s not.

Me personally, I’ve never abused Richo or criticised his character. I have been highly critical over his decision making / performance as I’ve seen it over 18mths.
I talk about that on this forum. Would I say any of this stuff directly to Richo? It’s hard to see a scenario where that would be appropriate to do so... I’m hardly going to approach him on the street or yell stuff over the fence at Moorabbin. Weird behaviour.

There is no need for things to get personal. Don’t know why people feel the need to try and make it so.

Couldn’t agree more Skeptic. There’s a definite and clear divide between criticism, and in Richo’s case - very warranted criticism, of someone’s performance in their job and attaching that person outside of their job. I can’t recall anyone abusing Richardson personally, just lots of people saying he was not, in numerous ways, up to the job. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

I couldn't disagree more Skeptic. You are attempting to re write history and SB is trying to support you in that because he has the most to be embarrassed about. Do a search for posts between SB and myself for 2018 around the time there was just plain and blatant lies and false claims perpetuated on here by SB about Richo throwing players under the bus to protect himself. Pretty certain you bounced into that echo chamber too. Upshot of that was SB could never provide evidence to back up his lies and false claims. Then roll forward to posts between SB and myself over the off season where SB was making further lies and false claims about Richo but using someone he claimed was in ITK who was involved in the club around 2015 to 2016 that told him things that gave his lies and false claims credibility and used to denigrate Alans character. SB won't want to get involved in this discussion because I'll just embarrass him further by asking him to provide proof, something he never could do (the search function will find the threads). I suspect he was so embarrassed it was the reason I didn't see any posting from him since the pre season right up until a few weeks before Richo resigned. He made it very personal, a match day thread, probably one of Alan's last where he was very personal. Very very clear SB is not right in life himself and Alan was his outlet. So please don't revise history.

When the losses were mounting and the pressure was mounting and the blowtorch was fairly and squarely on the coach in early 2018 the club including the coach himself made statements and gave us excuses instead of being accountable.

Most people came to the conclusion that the the coach and club were deflecting responsibility and were blaming the players.

You make out to be a wise perceptive head on this forum, but either you are an apologist for Richo and the board and the CEO or you just didn't want to see what was blatantly obvious to everyone else.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-14/saints-have-vacuum-in-leadership-richo-admits

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/05/24/blame-game-at-st-kilda-potentially-very-dangerous-wallace/

Mind you, this was an adminstration and a head coach who were at the helm for 5 years. This wasn't a first or second year coach. Sorry. There is no other conclusion

[Scollop]

Do a search for posts between SB and myself for 2018 around the time there was just plain and blatant lies and false claims perpetuated on here by SB about Richo throwing players under the bus to protect himself. .....

He made it very personal, a match day thread, probably one of Alan's last where he was very personal. Very very clear SB is not right in life himself and Alan was his outlet.

One thing to make up stuff like you normally do, but to continue to take personal potshots at people while claiming that you don't like it and at same time doing the same f****** thing yourself is unforgivable. You deserve a permanent ban

Been a few hypocrites over the years on this forum but you take the cake

[skeptic]

The issue at play here IMO is that the majority of the criticism directed at Richo over the last 18 months has been about his performance as coach and his decision making.

The criticism of that criticism has focused more on supporter loyalty, a perception of things being personal and this bizarre concept that posting an opinion on this opinion forum is underhanded and reflects cowardice.

Very little of effort actually goes into challenging or even discussing the topics at play here... I suspect that the reason for this is ultimately that a lot of the quote unquote criticism is reflected in both performance, results and decision making now.

Have never understood the underlying current of trying to turn this into something that it’s not.

Me personally, I’ve never abused Richo or criticised his character. I have been highly critical over his decision making / performance as I’ve seen it over 18mths.
I talk about that on this forum. Would I say any of this stuff directly to Richo? It’s hard to see a scenario where that would be appropriate to do so... I’m hardly going to approach him on the street or yell stuff over the fence at Moorabbin. Weird behaviour.

There is no need for things to get personal. Don’t know why people feel the need to try and make it so.

Couldn’t agree more Skeptic. There’s a definite and clear divide between criticism, and in Richo’s case - very warranted criticism, of someone’s performance in their job and attaching that person outside of their job. I can’t recall anyone abusing Richardson personally, just lots of people saying he was not, in numerous ways, up to the job. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

I couldn't disagree more Skeptic. You are attempting to re write history and SB is trying to support you in that because he has the most to be embarrassed about. Do a search for posts between SB and myself for 2018 around the time there was just plain and blatant lies and false claims perpetuated on here by SB about Richo throwing players under the bus to protect himself. Pretty certain you bounced into that echo chamber too. Upshot of that was SB could never provide evidence to back up his lies and false claims. Then roll forward to posts between SB and myself over the off season where SB was making further lies and false claims about Richo but using someone he claimed was in ITK who was involved in the club around 2015 to 2016 that told him things that gave his lies and false claims credibility and used to denigrate Alans character. SB won't want to get involved in this discussion because I'll just embarrass him further by asking him to provide proof, something he never could do (the search function will find the threads). I suspect he was so embarrassed it was the reason I didn't see any posting from him since the pre season right up until a few weeks before Richo resigned. He made it very personal, a match day thread, probably one of Alan's last where he was very personal. Very very clear SB is not right in life himself and Alan was his outlet. So please don't revise history.

I don't really think the personal stuff serves a purpose and it's certainly not of interest to me. Suggesting I 'bounced into that echo chamber' is a nice vague way tie me into this personal vendetta BS that you insist on pushing when all I've ever done is post my opinions as I see them. One thing I can categorically say is that I've never professed to having any inside knowledge of the happenings at Moorabbin these days. I think you're just caught up in the emotion of having so many people call out the non-sensical claims that you've been hammering us all with about how well things were going this year under Richo, that you're lumping many forumites together

Perhaps you would be best suited to take a leaf out of your own book and stop trying to make everything so personal... especially given that you're about the most unpleasant forumite here and certainly the one that unprovokingly attacks people the most. That right there (the bold bit) is just a horrible thing to post on a forum about anyone.

And yes as Scallop pointed out... you're not a guru, your opinion (on those rare occasions you post one) is no better than most others... can you just stick to posting about football instead constantly carrying on like this.

[HighettMan]

Do a search for posts between SB and myself for 2018 around the time there was just plain and blatant lies and false claims perpetuated on here by SB about Richo throwing players under the bus to protect himself. .....

He made it very personal, a match day thread, probably one of Alan's last where he was very personal. Very very clear SB is not right in life himself and Alan was his outlet.

One thing to make up stuff like you normally do, but to continue to take personal potshots at people while claiming that you don't like it and at same time doing the same f****** thing yourself is unforgivable. You deserve a permanent ban

Been a few hypocrites over the years on this forum but you take the cake

Oh the irony. Once again you out yourself. Think then type maybe.

[BackFromUSA]

The issue at play here IMO is that the majority of the criticism directed at Richo over the last 18 months has been about his performance as coach and his decision making.

The criticism of that criticism has focused more on supporter loyalty, a perception of things being personal and this bizarre concept that posting an opinion on this opinion forum is underhanded and reflects cowardice.

Very little of effort actually goes into challenging or even discussing the topics at play here... I suspect that the reason for this is ultimately that a lot of the quote unquote criticism is reflected in both performance, results and decision making now.

Have never understood the underlying current of trying to turn this into something that it’s not.

Me personally, I’ve never abused Richo or criticised his character. I have been highly critical over his decision making / performance as I’ve seen it over 18mths.
I talk about that on this forum. Would I say any of this stuff directly to Richo? It’s hard to see a scenario where that would be appropriate to do so... I’m hardly going to approach him on the street or yell stuff over the fence at Moorabbin. Weird behaviour.

There is no need for things to get personal. Don’t know why people feel the need to try and make it so.

Couldn’t agree more Skeptic. There’s a definite and clear divide between criticism, and in Richo’s case - very warranted criticism, of someone’s performance in their job and attaching that person outside of their job. I can’t recall anyone abusing Richardson personally, just lots of people saying he was not, in numerous ways, up to the job. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

I couldn't disagree more Skeptic. You are attempting to re write history and SB is trying to support you in that because he has the most to be embarrassed about. Do a search for posts between SB and myself for 2018 around the time there was just plain and blatant lies and false claims perpetuated on here by SB about Richo throwing players under the bus to protect himself. Pretty certain you bounced into that echo chamber too. Upshot of that was SB could never provide evidence to back up his lies and false claims. Then roll forward to posts between SB and myself over the off season where SB was making further lies and false claims about Richo but using someone he claimed was in ITK who was involved in the club around 2015 to 2016 that told him things that gave his lies and false claims credibility and used to denigrate Alans character. SB won't want to get involved in this discussion because I'll just embarrass him further by asking him to provide proof, something he never could do (the search function will find the threads). I suspect he was so embarrassed it was the reason I didn't see any posting from him since the pre season right up until a few weeks before Richo resigned. He made it very personal, a match day thread, probably one of Alan's last where he was very personal. Very very clear SB is not right in life himself and Alan was his outlet. So please don't revise history.

Hmmm not in the mood tonight for ongoing disputes - so let's cut this one short. Another word on this ongoing dispute and a 1 week holiday will result.