Dockers want pick 5 for Hill

[johnnyrayflamingo]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

[fugazi]

I don't blame Freo for demanding pick 5.
If we can get 3rd back we've done ok
A 2nd would be a win

[johnnyrayflamingo]

I don't blame Freo for demanding pick 5.
If we can get 3rd back we've done ok
A 2nd would be a win

Agreed Fugazi. We are getting their 2nd best player or top 3.

[Cordz2]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Remind me again when he was All Australian.

[johnnyrayflamingo]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Remind me again when he was All Australian.

Should have been this year. Many experts agree. He is a true winger.

[desertsaint]

ack. swap picks - pick 10-15 sounds a lot fairer. but get him.

[saintsRrising]

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Why would GWS do that? Swans will just call out Green's name and the GWS are forced to use Pick 5 on Green.

If GWS are going swap down the order they would be much more likely to go fora lower pick.

[degruch]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Remind me again when he was All Australian.

That would be difficult...but I can remind you that he was a triple premiership player and a recent Best and Fairest winner.

[Rubyjo]

Just do it... His employment at the saints will be expedential development for billings and Co.. It's worth it

[DJ Higgins]

Fair call for Freo id want as much as i could get as well but we should play hard ball to a degree. If we give away the pick and dont get a pick back i think our first pick is 55 at present. that is a long way away

[silverhalo]

I'd be happier to split that pick 5 into 2 picks in the high teens - one goes to Freo and we give them Blake Acres as well.

[suss]

I don't blame Freo for demanding pick 5.
If we can get 3rd back we've done ok
A 2nd would be a win

Agree. As much as I'd love to keep pick 5 I think we need to say goodbye and hope there's something coming back.

I thought the Hawks may have overpaid when they drafted Shaun Burgoyne. I hope Hill is our Silk.

[To the top]

Just do it

If they want Pick 5, which we have, just do it

To play games and offer up Acres is an abject nonsense

You do not offer up players who win games for you when played in position

The reason Acres is played forward is that none of Ross, Steele or Dunstan can play as a front 6 and that fact has been detrimental to both Acres and to St Kilda

[Goose is king]

Throw in Langdon and they can have all our picks

[kalsaint]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

[Spinner]

Split the pick.

Then worry about negotiating with Freo.

Don’t understand why some clubs like to conduct negotiations through the media. Freo have been very heavy handed recently... Twisting GC for pick 2 for Weller and the whole Hogan (releasing a statement he wasn’t wanted anymore) have been very direct tactics.

[SydneySainter]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

It was that stubbornness with Carlisle and pick 5 that got us a late first rounder which netted Gresham.

At the time, the media were telling us to just get the deal done and not to be greedy. Then the white powder and WADA banned happened. By the time he finally started playing for us and was taking time to hit his stride, the media started criticising us for “paying overs” on Carlisle.

Thank god we had Gresh as the sweetener.

[MC Gusto]

The article that hasn’t been quoted by Johnny parky Ted flamingo (a classic move by this guy) doesn’t actually quote either club

So whilst it states freo are demanding pick 5 it’s all made up at this stage!

Classic stuff

[johnnyrayflamingo]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

I'm happy with pick 5. If they threw back their 24 to us also then that is ok. It can be used on Zak Jones.

[BackFromUSA]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

I'm happy with pick 5. If they threw back their 24 to us also then that is ok. It can be used on Zak Jones.

Give us a spell. Seriously.

5 for Hill AND 24? Free are not stupid. If you want 24 then a player like Acres is in the deal. Not worth pick 24 currently so getting 24 for him is getting a little back on giving 5 for Hill.

We should only do that if we need 24 for Zac Jones.

Otherwise 5 for Hill and a future second or third looks likely as Freo only has junk picks after 24.

[johnnyrayflamingo]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

I'm happy with pick 5. If they threw back their 24 to us also then that is ok. It can be used on Zak Jones.

Give us a spell. Seriously.

5 for Hill AND 24? Free are not stupid. If you want 24 then a player like Acres is in the deal. Not worth pick 24 currently so getting 24 for him is getting a little back on giving 5 for Hill.

We should only do that if we need 24 for Zac Jones.

Otherwise 5 for Hill and a future second or third looks likely as Freo only has junk picks after 24.

We'll have to see how the cookie crumbles there but Freo are being too agressive demanding just 5. Don't blame them but it's a bit too much as an after thought.

Something has to come back to Moorabbin besides Hill.

Happy for Acres to go in some deal also. He is average. Not a bad footballer but he will never be an A grade talent at he will float between a B and C level. Simply lacks the footy nous and skills.

[asiu]

if we flick Acres , we’ll regret it.

if we flick him as steak knives ,
we are idiots.

imo

[Spinner]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

Thank god you are no where near our negotiating table.

As another poster said. Standing ground got us Gresham along with Carlisle for pick 5.

[diddley]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

Thank god you are no where near our negotiating table.

As another poster said. Standing ground got us Gresham along with Carlisle for pick 5.

Almost. We got Carlisle and Gresham for pick 5 AND pick 24. A first and second round paid. Still a great deal for all parties involved, one of the fairest.

[evertonfc]

The trade for Hill is red hot going to happen.

I think Pick 5 is ok given we are getting an AA wingman at 26.

Unless we split pick 5 with 11 and 13 with GWS and give 11 to Freo for Hill.

Interesting times.

Splitting the pick 5 for increased trade dips is great from the Saints but the Dockers will come hard on their insistence for pick 5. We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter. I wouldn't want to see another pick5 Carlisle battle with a rival club that distracts us from the bigger picture. I'm just glad the club is looking at players who could develop the team. Removing Bruce wont be helpful in this regard for forward structure and forward player development. Its time we recognised that we cant develop youth quickly unless the basics of the system are understood and upheld.

Thank god you are no where near our negotiating table.

As another poster said. Standing ground got us Gresham along with Carlisle for pick 5.

100%.

Let's split 5 for 11 and 13. Pick 11 should be enough to get it done.

We aren't in the strong position here and should just do it and move on with other options thereafter.

Rubbish. We are in the strongest position. An unhappy player wants to play at our club.

Fremantle can't afford to to risk Brad Hill sitting out a year, or going at 50% while he plays out his contract.

They picked him up for a second round pick, paid him fairly moderately, enjoyed his best years, and now will gain handsomely from his services. It's an unbelievable win for them.

If we can split or Pick 5 and offer them something around the 10-12 mark, we should stay incredibly strong on that. Quite frankly, if they don't want that, they can get stuffed - Brad Hill won't make or break this club.

Looking at the top five prospects this year, there's huge talent there, and they can deliver 13+ years of service. Effectively, we are giving up a 250-game player.