The Caldwell conundrum

[The_Dud]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

Yep, just helps the power/currently successful teams like Geelong/Hawthorn/Richmond

Needs to change, maybe cap the amount of players that are allowed to come in a certain time frame?

[The_Dud]

I would imagine that given the salary cap has not even been agreed by the players assoc. it would be a very hard time to negotiate right now. AFL argued for a 30% reduction in salary cap today (around 4mil out of 13.1) which would have made the clubs, players and their association do a collective vomit in their mouths.

The dramatic changes to the financial landscape will rapidly emerge about 30 seconds after the final siren on GF day.

The administration style controls on the assisted clubs are going to create a seismic imbalance and inequality that will hand the independent clubs an even greater unfair advantage.

I don't think we are going to be allowed to make the god father offers from our supoosed war chest that keeps getting reported.

And with the real possibility of 2021 also being an Asterisk year due to COVID restrictions continuing the AFL are crapping themselves at the thought of having to borrow more money to sustain the game.

This year's hub bill alone is $60 million.

Not a good time for players to be putting their hands out for mega deals. And we haven't even seen how hard the recession is going to grow yet. Many players could be dragged back to the same reality of average Australians and just be thankful they have a job.

Correct!!!! I have heard the "assisted" clubs will only be allowed to pay 80% (maximum), of the salary cap. This will be in operation for the next 5 years apparently and then increasing by 5% each year until it gets back to 100%. So in other words, we will be disadvantaged for the next 9 years.

Trolling a troll?

Trollception??

[saynta]

I would imagine that given the salary cap has not even been agreed by the players assoc. it would be a very hard time to negotiate right now. AFL argued for a 30% reduction in salary cap today (around 4mil out of 13.1) which would have made the clubs, players and their association do a collective vomit in their mouths.

The dramatic changes to the financial landscape will rapidly emerge about 30 seconds after the final siren on GF day.

The administration style controls on the assisted clubs are going to create a seismic imbalance and inequality that will hand the independent clubs an even greater unfair advantage.

I don't think we are going to be allowed to make the god father offers from our supoosed war chest that keeps getting reported.

And with the real possibility of 2021 also being an Asterisk year due to COVID restrictions continuing the AFL are crapping themselves at the thought of having to borrow more money to sustain the game.

This year's hub bill alone is $60 million.

Not a good time for players to be putting their hands out for mega deals. And we haven't even seen how hard the recession is going to grow yet. Many players could be dragged back to the same reality of average Australians and just be thankful they have a job.

Correct!!!! I have heard the "assisted" clubs will only be allowed to pay 80% (maximum), of the salary cap. This will be in operation for the next 5 years apparently and then increasing by 5% each year until it gets back to 100%. So in other words, we will be disadvantaged for the next 9 years.

Trolling a troll?

Trollception??

Has anyone seen Vortex and that pelican dude in the same room together?

[Gershwin]

I would imagine that given the salary cap has not even been agreed by the players assoc. it would be a very hard time to negotiate right now. AFL argued for a 30% reduction in salary cap today (around 4mil out of 13.1) which would have made the clubs, players and their association do a collective vomit in their mouths.

The dramatic changes to the financial landscape will rapidly emerge about 30 seconds after the final siren on GF day.

The administration style controls on the assisted clubs are going to create a seismic imbalance and inequality that will hand the independent clubs an even greater unfair advantage.

I don't think we are going to be allowed to make the god father offers from our supoosed war chest that keeps getting reported.

And with the real possibility of 2021 also being an Asterisk year due to COVID restrictions continuing the AFL are crapping themselves at the thought of having to borrow more money to sustain the game.

This year's hub bill alone is $60 million.

Not a good time for players to be putting their hands out for mega deals. And we haven't even seen how hard the recession is going to grow yet. Many players could be dragged back to the same reality of average Australians and just be thankful they have a job.

Correct!!!! I have heard the "assisted" clubs will only be allowed to pay 80% (maximum), of the salary cap. This will be in operation for the next 5 years apparently and then increasing by 5% each year until it gets back to 100%. So in other words, we will be disadvantaged for the next 9 years.

Trolling a troll?

Trollception??

You are so boring.

[The_Dud]

I would imagine that given the salary cap has not even been agreed by the players assoc. it would be a very hard time to negotiate right now. AFL argued for a 30% reduction in salary cap today (around 4mil out of 13.1) which would have made the clubs, players and their association do a collective vomit in their mouths.

The dramatic changes to the financial landscape will rapidly emerge about 30 seconds after the final siren on GF day.

The administration style controls on the assisted clubs are going to create a seismic imbalance and inequality that will hand the independent clubs an even greater unfair advantage.

I don't think we are going to be allowed to make the god father offers from our supoosed war chest that keeps getting reported.

And with the real possibility of 2021 also being an Asterisk year due to COVID restrictions continuing the AFL are crapping themselves at the thought of having to borrow more money to sustain the game.

This year's hub bill alone is $60 million.

Not a good time for players to be putting their hands out for mega deals. And we haven't even seen how hard the recession is going to grow yet. Many players could be dragged back to the same reality of average Australians and just be thankful they have a job.

Correct!!!! I have heard the "assisted" clubs will only be allowed to pay 80% (maximum), of the salary cap. This will be in operation for the next 5 years apparently and then increasing by 5% each year until it gets back to 100%. So in other words, we will be disadvantaged for the next 9 years.

Trolling a troll?

Trollception??

You are so boring.

And it gets deeper!

[ace]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

The AFL need to get the balls to stand up to AFLPA.
But they are only concerned about being woke jokes.

[ace]

It is simple to fix.
You can only take free agents from clubs that finish above you.

[saintsRrising]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

Yes the biggest flaw of FA is that the club that gains the FA does not have to pay the trade cost to get them, and if their is a compensatory pick to the club that lost the player, that all clubs chip in.

So Cats could win the flag, and the Saints and all 17 clubs pay the trade cost to get him to the Cats.


It should be that if a club gains a FA (given the player to swap to the club of their choice, that that club gaining him should pay a points cost determined by an AFL Panel to be that players fair worth.

Update. Reading up on it now as Cat's salary offer is not high it seems that GWS will match, or that Cats will just have to agree in advance to a deal. Which from memory is what happened with Dangerfield.

Though the bad news for us is that it still means that GWS will have more cask to potentially keep Caldwell with.

Balancing that is that GWS:
- will still have abundance of star mids which may still keep Caldwell out of their best 22.
- be that bit less likely to be a power in 2021, which should make the Saints that bit ore appealing than if Cameron had of stayed

[SaintPelican66]

We already have a handshake agreement with Caldwell. I thought everyone knew this?

[saynta]

We already have a handshake agreement with Caldwell. I thought everyone new this?

"knew"

[older saint]

We already have a handshake agreement with Caldwell. I thought everyone new this?

I have seen Jerry Maguire handshakes don't cut it - word strong as oak

[SaintPelican66]

We already have a handshake agreement with Caldwell. I thought everyone new this?

"knew"

The K key didn't work.
Grand Father.

[Saintmatt]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

Yes the biggest flaw of FA is that the club that gains the FA does not have to pay the trade cost to get them, and if their is a compensatory pick to the club that lost the player, that all clubs chip in.

So Cats could win the flag, and the Saints and all 17 clubs pay the trade cost to get him to the Cats.


It should be that if a club gains a FA (given the player to swap to the club of their choice, that that club gaining him should pay a points cost determined by an AFL Panel to be that players fair worth.

Update. Reading up on it now as Cat's salary offer is not high it seems that GWS will match, or that Cats will just have to agree in advance to a deal. Which from memory is what happened with Dangerfield.

Though the bad news for us is that it still means that GWS will have more cask to potentially keep Caldwell with.

Balancing that is that GWS:
- will still have abundance of star mids which may still keep Caldwell out of their best 22.
- be that bit less likely to be a power in 2021, which should make the Saints that bit ore appealing than if Cameron had of stayed

And also that the AFL is heavily invested in GWS and will do everything in their considerable power to ensure he stays at GWS. They've already lost Hately from that draft - they won't want to lose another one from the same draft.

[Laurie]

I think we can kiss goodbye of getting Caldwell at the club next year.
AFL will not allow it to happen.

[SaintPelican66]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

Yep, just helps the power/currently successful teams like Geelong/Hawthorn/Richmond

Needs to change, maybe cap the amount of players that are allowed to come in a certain time frame?

I know it is frustrating but if you become successful then the FA's will want to come to you. You quoted Hawthorn above but they have no chance of getting any good FA's now because they are s***.

[CURLY]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

Yep, just helps the power/currently successful teams like Geelong/Hawthorn/Richmond

Needs to change, maybe cap the amount of players that are allowed to come in a certain time frame?

Don't know that you can do that but there has to be some restrictions set for sure. How is it fair that Brisbane land Daniher and we lose a place in the draft and all other clubs for that matter.

[older saint]

The FA system is a load of s***.

The AFL need to fix it big time.

Yep, just helps the power/currently successful teams like Geelong/Hawthorn/Richmond

Needs to change, maybe cap the amount of players that are allowed to come in a certain time frame?

Don't know that you can do that but there has to be some restrictions set for sure. How is it fair that Brisbane land Daniher and we lose a place in the draft and all other clubs for that matter.

If we are to have free agency then look at overseas and work form there.:
- Restricted and Unrestricted stands as is
- Compensation is removed
- Club salary cap position is public knowledge
- Player contracts years and value each year public knowledge

People will then be able to anticipate what may happen and potentially the cost of this . For example to know that if Geelong get Cameron it will mean they need to dump $300,000 salary for next season. People can then go hang on why not trade player X who has 1 year left and likely to test FA market to meet this .Clubs know this but supporters would then perhaps accept FA better and also show which clubs are best at it and which need to lift there game. often recruiters can get ripped for non performance, perhaps their hands are tied by poor contracts previously.

PA wont like it but if they want FA they will need to give or fans will keep getting more and more pissed.

[fugazi]

Back to Caldwell, I hope he holds strong against the GWS list managers now Cameron is leaving. He will be under pressure to stay.
If we can land him, re-sign Paton we will have done OK.
Treloar would be a good inclusion but too expensive

[Leo.J]

Do we really want it to change now when we could be on the verge of being a possible top 4 club and a possible beneficiary of the flawed system?

[SaintPelican66]

I would imagine that given the salary cap has not even been agreed by the players assoc. it would be a very hard time to negotiate right now. AFL argued for a 30% reduction in salary cap today (around 4mil out of 13.1) which would have made the clubs, players and their association do a collective vomit in their mouths.

The dramatic changes to the financial landscape will rapidly emerge about 30 seconds after the final siren on GF day.

The administration style controls on the assisted clubs are going to create a seismic imbalance and inequality that will hand the independent clubs an even greater unfair advantage.

I don't think we are going to be allowed to make the god father offers from our supoosed war chest that keeps getting reported.

And with the real possibility of 2021 also being an Asterisk year due to COVID restrictions continuing the AFL are crapping themselves at the thought of having to borrow more money to sustain the game.

This year's hub bill alone is $60 million.

Not a good time for players to be putting their hands out for mega deals. And we haven't even seen how hard the recession is going to grow yet. Many players could be dragged back to the same reality of average Australians and just be thankful they have a job.

Correct!!!! I have heard the "assisted" clubs will only be allowed to pay 80% (maximum), of the salary cap. This will be in operation for the next 5 years apparently and then increasing by 5% each year until it gets back to 100%. So in other words, we will be disadvantaged for the next 9 years.

Trolling a troll?

Trollception??

Has anyone seen Vortex and that pelican dude in the same room together?

It's happening.....100% confirmed by an ITK on Bigfooty

https://imgur.com/r/ronpaulshops/vwMin

[SaintPav]

Rumours on BF reckon Jay is our boy.

See what happens.

[saintsRrising]

From an Essendon Support on BF

Won’t get into specifics, but good mates with a family member of his.

Told GWS yesterday that he wanted to “explore his options” (not necessarily ‘wanted to leave’).

But has today made a decision to join Saints and has informed them as such.

Not sure how long it will take to announce, but apparently wants to tell gws, Essendon (who we offering the most $$) and a few gws teammates first.

[SaintPelican66]

From an Essendon Support on BF

Won’t get into specifics, but good mates with a family member of his.

Told GWS yesterday that he wanted to “explore his options” (not necessarily ‘wanted to leave’).

But has today made a decision to join Saints and has informed them as such.

Not sure how long it will take to announce, but apparently wants to tell gws, Essendon (who we offering the most $$) and a few gws teammates first.

Good stuff. Now that we have Crouch and Caldwell our rebuild is complete. Top 4 here we come!!!

[Saintmatt]

From an Essendon Support on BF

Won’t get into specifics, but good mates with a family member of his.

Told GWS yesterday that he wanted to “explore his options” (not necessarily ‘wanted to leave’).

But has today made a decision to join Saints and has informed them as such.

Not sure how long it will take to announce, but apparently wants to tell gws, Essendon (who we offering the most $$) and a few gws teammates first.

I’m incredibly firm reading this development. God I hope so. Crouch for now; Jye for the future. All for the price of approx pick 20.

Fvck me ... imagine this happening 18 months ago

[Wayne42]

I wonder if Richo talks to Goody about the players the Saints are now bringing to the club compared to the ones they
got when he was coach.

He won't find it pleasing.