Senior list size to be reduce to 37 (not 38 as expected & not 40 as previous).
But only one draft pick (not 3 required as previous)
Means going into the draft the senior list must be maximum of 36.
Rookie A will remain at 4
We could have 3 rookie B as well but only Alabakis is eleigible.
At present St Kilda has a senior list of 38 Higgins would make that 39.
St Kilda could trade away pick 64 and 77 only use one first round pick.
3 more players must be delisted.
List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
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Re: List Size is 37
More draft rule changes ...
By Peter Ryan
Although list sizes are being cut to a minimum of 37 as per Michael Gleeson's report this morning clubs have been told of two shifts in the rules relating to the draft being held in December.
The AFL have reduced the requirement that clubs take three selections at the draft to just one. Most clubs will make more than one pick but several clubs are considering adding one player from the total pool and then using the remaining points to put academy, father-son or NGA graduates on the list.
The second change is that clubs will be able to take selections into the national draft as if the primary list is still at 40. This is important as clubs have had to take as many picks into the draft as they had list spots available but the uncertainty around list sizes left them concerned about what they could do this season. Some clubs also wanted to potentially trade picks on the night so having an extra number would increase liquidity into the system.
Hawthorn have raised uncertainty around list spots on their Hawk Talk Podcast as one of the reasons they were finding it hard to seriously consider Tom Phillips as football manager Graham Wright said they needed list spots to take in draft picks that would cover the points that might be required if they matched any bid for NGA prospect Connor Downie.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 56dvm.html
By Peter Ryan
Although list sizes are being cut to a minimum of 37 as per Michael Gleeson's report this morning clubs have been told of two shifts in the rules relating to the draft being held in December.
The AFL have reduced the requirement that clubs take three selections at the draft to just one. Most clubs will make more than one pick but several clubs are considering adding one player from the total pool and then using the remaining points to put academy, father-son or NGA graduates on the list.
The second change is that clubs will be able to take selections into the national draft as if the primary list is still at 40. This is important as clubs have had to take as many picks into the draft as they had list spots available but the uncertainty around list sizes left them concerned about what they could do this season. Some clubs also wanted to potentially trade picks on the night so having an extra number would increase liquidity into the system.
Hawthorn have raised uncertainty around list spots on their Hawk Talk Podcast as one of the reasons they were finding it hard to seriously consider Tom Phillips as football manager Graham Wright said they needed list spots to take in draft picks that would cover the points that might be required if they matched any bid for NGA prospect Connor Downie.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 56dvm.html
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Re: List Size is 37
AFL close to list size cuts as end of trades looms
By Michael Gleeson
AFL club lists sizes will be cut to a minimum of 37 and a maximum of 44 players - including all rookies – next year.
The number of primary list players will be cut by two and the total rookie numbers by one from limits this year.
Sources close to the situation confirmed the AFL is close to agreement with the AFL Players Association on final list sizes with an announcement expected in the next week. Further meetings were due to be held with the AFL Players Association on Thursday.
The players union and the AFL had wanted to finalise the figures before the trade period ended.
The salary cap is also close to being finalised for next year with a cut of "about 10 per cent” to apply with sources saying the final number appears close to nine per cent with one per cent to retirement fund.
The AFL is likely to hand responsibility for applying the cut to player contracts to clubs and will not mandate the reduction as a flat across the board percentage.
This idea has angered clubs who believe it now opens up weeks and months of pain and renegotiation of contracts with players and player agents at a time when staffing at clubs has been slashed with the soft cap reduced clubs.
There is discussion about whether first and second year players will be quarantined from the cuts.
The maximum number of primary listed players on club lists will drop to between 36 and 38 down from 38 to 40 now.
The maximum number of primary-listed players a club can have is contingent on the number of rookies the club wishes to take. This year if a club had 38 primary-listed players they could have up to six rookies, if they had 40 on the primary list they could have up to 4 rookies for a maximum of 44 players. They could then have up to three Category B rookies on top of that.
Under the plan for next year that primary list figure has now been cut by two - to a maximum of 38 primary list players - and clubs can have up to a maximum of six rookies (four category A rookies and two category B rookies) for a total maximum of 44 players.
If a clubs has a full book of seven rookies (four category A and three Category B) they can have only 37 players on their primary list.
Category B rookies are the players coming to the AFL from outside the system – the overseas players or the soccer players or basketballers. This year clubs could have up to three Category B rookies next year it will be cut to two.
A club next year could have as few as 36 primary listed players but then they must also have at least one rookie – to get to the overall minimum figure of 37 players. Previously there was no requirement for a club to have any rookie listed players.
Player agents and some clubs were briefed on the likely changes on Wednesday.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 56dw9.html
By Michael Gleeson
AFL club lists sizes will be cut to a minimum of 37 and a maximum of 44 players - including all rookies – next year.
The number of primary list players will be cut by two and the total rookie numbers by one from limits this year.
Sources close to the situation confirmed the AFL is close to agreement with the AFL Players Association on final list sizes with an announcement expected in the next week. Further meetings were due to be held with the AFL Players Association on Thursday.
The players union and the AFL had wanted to finalise the figures before the trade period ended.
The salary cap is also close to being finalised for next year with a cut of "about 10 per cent” to apply with sources saying the final number appears close to nine per cent with one per cent to retirement fund.
The AFL is likely to hand responsibility for applying the cut to player contracts to clubs and will not mandate the reduction as a flat across the board percentage.
This idea has angered clubs who believe it now opens up weeks and months of pain and renegotiation of contracts with players and player agents at a time when staffing at clubs has been slashed with the soft cap reduced clubs.
There is discussion about whether first and second year players will be quarantined from the cuts.
The maximum number of primary listed players on club lists will drop to between 36 and 38 down from 38 to 40 now.
The maximum number of primary-listed players a club can have is contingent on the number of rookies the club wishes to take. This year if a club had 38 primary-listed players they could have up to six rookies, if they had 40 on the primary list they could have up to 4 rookies for a maximum of 44 players. They could then have up to three Category B rookies on top of that.
Under the plan for next year that primary list figure has now been cut by two - to a maximum of 38 primary list players - and clubs can have up to a maximum of six rookies (four category A rookies and two category B rookies) for a total maximum of 44 players.
If a clubs has a full book of seven rookies (four category A and three Category B) they can have only 37 players on their primary list.
Category B rookies are the players coming to the AFL from outside the system – the overseas players or the soccer players or basketballers. This year clubs could have up to three Category B rookies next year it will be cut to two.
A club next year could have as few as 36 primary listed players but then they must also have at least one rookie – to get to the overall minimum figure of 37 players. Previously there was no requirement for a club to have any rookie listed players.
Player agents and some clubs were briefed on the likely changes on Wednesday.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 56dw9.html
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
We can probably afford Treloar but would not give Collingwood anything in trades after Higgins trade.
Our cupboard is bare.
North are suggesting a second round pick to take on the Stephenson's contract.
Collingwood are cacking in their pants.
Magpies usually cack on my balcony instead.
Collingwood salary cap issue has probably eased a little.
We could offer Collingwood picks 64 and 77 which won't get used and our future 3rd rounder.
Collingwood you want to salary dump, we won't trade pick 21.
Eat bird seed Eddie.
Our cupboard is bare.
North are suggesting a second round pick to take on the Stephenson's contract.
Collingwood are cacking in their pants.
Magpies usually cack on my balcony instead.
Collingwood salary cap issue has probably eased a little.
We could offer Collingwood picks 64 and 77 which won't get used and our future 3rd rounder.
Collingwood you want to salary dump, we won't trade pick 21.
Eat bird seed Eddie.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Crazy timing. Gives the clubs bugger all time to reduce contracts. And for the AFL to leave it up to the clubs is asking for trouble.
In the bright side, good luck to the Pies trying to get everyone to take a pay cut.
In the bright side, good luck to the Pies trying to get everyone to take a pay cut.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
If clubs were working to a 30% cut in salary cap and it now becomes a 10% cut instead, that gives clubs roughly $2 million more than planned for.
Rear ended contracts may be renegotiated to make them front end loaded.
Rear ended contracts may be renegotiated to make them front end loaded.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Clubs were aware that AFL bargaining position was 30% cut, AFLPA position was 10%
Most clubs would have budgeted for the worst so now find themselves with $2 million extra for 2021.
Expect those Collingwood rear ended contracts to get front end loaded.
Treloar would being demanding you front end load my contract NOW you bastards.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
We could probably cut: Leo Connolly, Oscar Clavarino, Darragh Joyce.
We'd then pretty much have a full list of AFL ready players.
Boy, training will be red hot. You'll have to earn your spot.
Dunstan and Ross will have a point to prove and perhaps a chip on their shoulder. This is good. Fierce competition for spots.
If we do well next year, i.e. make a Prelim or Granny, then perhaps the trade value of our fringe players goes up aswell.
We'd then pretty much have a full list of AFL ready players.
Boy, training will be red hot. You'll have to earn your spot.
Dunstan and Ross will have a point to prove and perhaps a chip on their shoulder. This is good. Fierce competition for spots.
If we do well next year, i.e. make a Prelim or Granny, then perhaps the trade value of our fringe players goes up aswell.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
I wonder if the AFL will make concessions with placing uncontracted players on the rookie list?
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Sorry you can't cut players in mid contract unless they agree to be bought out and that comes from the current years cap.bakes wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 3:11pm We could probably cut: Leo Connolly, Oscar Clavarino, Darragh Joyce.
We'd then pretty much have a full list of AFL ready players.
Boy, training will be red hot. You'll have to earn your spot.
Dunstan and Ross will have a point to prove and perhaps a chip on their shoulder. This is good. Fierce competition for spots.
If we do well next year, i.e. make a Prelim or Granny, then perhaps the trade value of our fringe players goes up aswell.
Connolly has been at the club 1 year but is on an AFL mandatory minimum contract of 2 years.
Darragh Joyce has a year to run on his contract.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
ace wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 2:23pm Senior list size to be reduce to 37 (not 38 as expected & not 40 as previous).
But only one draft pick (not 3 required as previous)
Means going into the draft the senior list must be maximum of 36.
Rookie A will remain at 4
We could have 3 rookie B as well but only Alabakis is eleigible.
At present St Kilda has a senior list of 38 Higgins would make that 39.
St Kilda could trade away pick 64 and 77 only use one first round pick.
3 more players must be delisted.
4 if we entice Chip out of retirement.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
It’s a killer isn’t it
Joyce should go
Dmac
Kent
All contracted
Then one of Lonie or Hind
At least guys like Webster, Dunstan and Roberton could be top 22 so not too fussed about that
Savage is another that looks like he could be squeezed out but is decent depth IMO
Joyce should go
Dmac
Kent
All contracted
Then one of Lonie or Hind
At least guys like Webster, Dunstan and Roberton could be top 22 so not too fussed about that
Savage is another that looks like he could be squeezed out but is decent depth IMO
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 4:58pm It’s a killer isn’t it
Joyce should go
Dmac
Kent
All contracted
Then one of Lonie or Hind
At least guys like Webster, Dunstan and Roberton could be top 22 so not too fussed about that
Savage is another that looks like he could be squeezed out but is decent depth IMO
If we are having a tilt next year, Savage should stay.
He is under rated.
Could be a defensive forward / tagger with some weapons going forward
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
If we do coax him out of retirement can't we Rookie him?saintbob wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 4:41pmace wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 2:23pm Senior list size to be reduce to 37 (not 38 as expected & not 40 as previous).
But only one draft pick (not 3 required as previous)
Means going into the draft the senior list must be maximum of 36.
Rookie A will remain at 4
We could have 3 rookie B as well but only Alabakis is eleigible.
At present St Kilda has a senior list of 38 Higgins would make that 39.
St Kilda could trade away pick 64 and 77 only use one first round pick.
3 more players must be delisted.
4 if we entice Chip out of retirement.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Ace - thanks for all your info this trade period- very helpful.ace wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 2:23pm Senior list size to be reduce to 37 (not 38 as expected & not 40 as previous).
But only one draft pick (not 3 required as previous)
Means going into the draft the senior list must be maximum of 36.
Rookie A will remain at 4
We could have 3 rookie B as well but only Alabakis is eleigible.
At present St Kilda has a senior list of 38 Higgins would make that 39.
St Kilda could trade away pick 64 and 77 only use one first round pick.
3 more players must be delisted.
Assuming no more deals are done post Higgins , that we decide to make only one draft pick, and that we do sign Carlisle, is it correct we will have to delist 3 of
Clavarino
Savage
Lonie
Hind
Marsh
Phillips ?
By when do those calls have to be made ?
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
French Fry becomes a delisted free agent as soon as Hawthorn formally notifies the AFL of his delisting.Mr Magic wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 5:04pmIf we do coax him out of retirement can't we Rookie him?saintbob wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 4:41pmace wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 2:23pm Senior list size to be reduce to 37 (not 38 as expected & not 40 as previous).
But only one draft pick (not 3 required as previous)
Means going into the draft the senior list must be maximum of 36.
Rookie A will remain at 4
We could have 3 rookie B as well but only Alabakis is eleigible.
At present St Kilda has a senior list of 38 Higgins would make that 39.
St Kilda could trade away pick 64 and 77 only use one first round pick.
3 more players must be delisted.
4 if we entice Chip out of retirement.
He can simply be added to any teams senior list but to make it on to a rookie list he would have to go through the draft and be taken in the rookie draft.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Interesting that no clubs ending up taking Lonie, Dunstan, Ross, Webster, Roberton,Mackenzie, Hind or Savage. Can’t see any of those players getting a game in 2021, apart from through injury.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Presumably we can move a couple players to the rookie list?
We should use at least two draft picks. Pick in the 60s may actually m over up quite a bit with many earlier picks used as points for academy players.
We should use at least two draft picks. Pick in the 60s may actually m over up quite a bit with many earlier picks used as points for academy players.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
But it comes out of the cap, no?
Might not be good for morale.....fringe players can sit in cruise mode, knowing they'll be paid out...?
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
I doubt he’d come out of retirement to be placed on a rookie listMr Magic wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 5:04pmIf we do coax him out of retirement can't we Rookie him?saintbob wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 4:41pmace wrote: ↑Thu 12 Nov 2020 2:23pm Senior list size to be reduce to 37 (not 38 as expected & not 40 as previous).
But only one draft pick (not 3 required as previous)
Means going into the draft the senior list must be maximum of 36.
Rookie A will remain at 4
We could have 3 rookie B as well but only Alabakis is eleigible.
At present St Kilda has a senior list of 38 Higgins would make that 39.
St Kilda could trade away pick 64 and 77 only use one first round pick.
3 more players must be delisted.
4 if we entice Chip out of retirement.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Hind's gone now. Lonie was heading out but other clubs got distracted by the Pies fire sale. The rest don't have any trade value except Ross. I think Dodo would have had Ross as a backup option if Dunkley fell over, but I guess it just didn't work out.
Webster, Savage, Lonie probably gone at the end of 2021.
Roberton and McKenzie at the end of 2022.
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Re: List Size is 37, Cap down around 10%
Seb was never going anywhere. All the s*** talk about him was just that. bulls*** and f****** disgusting imhfo.