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Re: Was this our worst ever trade?

Post: # 1885444Post Joffa Burns »

To the top wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 5:57pm We rucked Maguire.

Lyon recruited both Gardiner and King.
Knobel, Ackland, Blake, Doc Clark, Kossie - any others?

I do recall a media comment about GT not rating ruckmen around that period, but it was most likely a media beat up or a misconstrued comment.


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Post: # 1885445Post skeptic »

Joffa Burns wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 9:37pm
To the top wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 5:57pm We rucked Maguire.

Lyon recruited both Gardiner and King.
Knobel, Ackland, Blake, Doc Clark, Kossie - any others?

I do recall a media comment about GT not rating ruckmen around that period, but it was most likely a media beat up or a misconstrued comment.
IIRC GT basically said that a ruckman that could only compete in the centre hit outs and contribute SFA all around the ground was worthless.

This was construed by the somewhat biased media of the time to mean that he hated all rucks, didn’t see any worth in hit outs and would never recruit one.

I think your list is pretty spot on

Might be missing a certain Rix Rox Rucks though


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Post: # 1885447Post Joffa Burns »

skeptic wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 9:48pm
Joffa Burns wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 9:37pm
To the top wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 5:57pm We rucked Maguire.

Lyon recruited both Gardiner and King.
Knobel, Ackland, Blake, Doc Clark, Kossie - any others?

I do recall a media comment about GT not rating ruckmen around that period, but it was most likely a media beat up or a misconstrued comment.
IIRC GT basically said that a ruckman that could only compete in the centre hit outs and contribute SFA all around the ground was worthless.

This was construed by the somewhat biased media of the time to mean that he hated all rucks, didn’t see any worth in hit outs and would never recruit one.

I think your list is pretty spot on

Might be missing a certain Rix Rox Rucks though
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that what it was?
I thought it was Dick Pix Rocks :wink:


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Swapping Ian Stewart for Bill Barrot was a crappy trade


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minneapolis wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 8:35am
Harves Man wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 12:14am
To the top wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 10:28pm Missing from comment is that Brooks was Drafted by Port Adelaide at 15, but due to the rucking depth of Port Adelaide did not play a game

He was however regarded very highly as a forward/ruck at 198cm and 95kg - very athletic with a decent jump

So Port Adelaide were nurturing him and sorry to lose him

He played a handful of games at St Kilda before badly injuring a knee and restricting his leap

Perhaps you should look at the match where he kicked 3, the last of the Minor Round collecting some 15 possessions and taking 7 marks

There was a case that he should have been retained on that form - but he wasn’t

Then we played Port Adelaide with their ruck resources they also pushed forward and Brooks was played in a back pocket, so a lamb to the slaughter

And that was his AFL career

But for injury it could have been very different

There are many in the same boat

When seeing Rehn in Adelaide, with JB at the Casino after, JB said we have a better one on the books

Alves said “going onto a footy field like that you had better be able to play son”

And therein lay the problem which saw Everitt eventually traded out

Aka Hall - and Lappin

Sometimes there is a bigger picture being considered
Who is JB, please To the top?
Manny,

I would guess that it is John Beveridge, our recruiting manager at the time.

Onwards.
Thank you Minny. Er, who is Manny, please?


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Re: Was this our worst ever trade?

Post: # 1885465Post Saintmike65 »

Joffa Burns wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 6:03pm At the end off 2002 StKilda traded 2001 B&F winner ruckman Peter Everett to Hawthorn for picks #6 & #22.

Fair return? You could say yes.

Unfortunately we on traded #6 to PA (+#31) for Barry Brooks. With #22 we took Matt Ferguson.

So we lost Spider & #31 for Brooks & Ferguson.

We then spent the next decade recycling hack or retiring ruckmen from other clubs.

Not sure Gags, Gubby or Lethlean would sign off on that one 😂

Yeah, that's up there with the Russell Green to Hawthorn for King and Scott trade!!


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Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 30 Dec 2020 10:08am
Joffa Burns wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 6:03pm At the end off 2002 StKilda traded 2001 B&F winner ruckman Peter Everett to Hawthorn for picks #6 & #22.

Fair return? You could say yes.

Unfortunately we on traded #6 to PA (+#31) for Barry Brooks. With #22 we took Matt Ferguson.

So we lost Spider & #31 for Brooks & Ferguson.

We then spent the next decade recycling hack or retiring ruckmen from other clubs.

Not sure Gags, Gubby or Lethlean would sign off on that one 😂

Yeah, that's up there with the Russell Green to Hawthorn for King and Scott trade!!
Another shocker. Been too many of them.


Big Mac to Hawthorn for a bag of chips and a packet of chewing gum was another terrible swap.


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Re: Was this our worst ever trade?

Post: # 1885495Post minneapolis »

Harves Man wrote: Wed 30 Dec 2020 3:10am
minneapolis wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 8:35am
Harves Man wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 12:14am
To the top wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 10:28pm Missing from comment is that Brooks was Drafted by Port Adelaide at 15, but due to the rucking depth of Port Adelaide did not play a game

He was however regarded very highly as a forward/ruck at 198cm and 95kg - very athletic with a decent jump

So Port Adelaide were nurturing him and sorry to lose him

He played a handful of games at St Kilda before badly injuring a knee and restricting his leap

Perhaps you should look at the match where he kicked 3, the last of the Minor Round collecting some 15 possessions and taking 7 marks

There was a case that he should have been retained on that form - but he wasn’t

Then we played Port Adelaide with their ruck resources they also pushed forward and Brooks was played in a back pocket, so a lamb to the slaughter

And that was his AFL career

But for injury it could have been very different

There are many in the same boat

When seeing Rehn in Adelaide, with JB at the Casino after, JB said we have a better one on the books

Alves said “going onto a footy field like that you had better be able to play son”

And therein lay the problem which saw Everitt eventually traded out

Aka Hall - and Lappin

Sometimes there is a bigger picture being considered
Who is JB, please To the top?
Manny,

I would guess that it is John Beveridge, our recruiting manager at the time.

Onwards.
Thank you Minny. Er, who is Manny, please?
Well Harves, that would be you, my Man.


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Post: # 1885506Post Harves Man »

minneapolis wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 2:32am
Harves Man wrote: Wed 30 Dec 2020 3:10am
minneapolis wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 8:35am
Harves Man wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 12:14am
To the top wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 10:28pm Missing from comment is that Brooks was Drafted by Port Adelaide at 15, but due to the rucking depth of Port Adelaide did not play a game

He was however regarded very highly as a forward/ruck at 198cm and 95kg - very athletic with a decent jump

So Port Adelaide were nurturing him and sorry to lose him

He played a handful of games at St Kilda before badly injuring a knee and restricting his leap

Perhaps you should look at the match where he kicked 3, the last of the Minor Round collecting some 15 possessions and taking 7 marks

There was a case that he should have been retained on that form - but he wasn’t

Then we played Port Adelaide with their ruck resources they also pushed forward and Brooks was played in a back pocket, so a lamb to the slaughter

And that was his AFL career

But for injury it could have been very different

There are many in the same boat

When seeing Rehn in Adelaide, with JB at the Casino after, JB said we have a better one on the books

Alves said “going onto a footy field like that you had better be able to play son”

And therein lay the problem which saw Everitt eventually traded out

Aka Hall - and Lappin

Sometimes there is a bigger picture being considered
Who is JB, please To the top?
Manny,

I would guess that it is John Beveridge, our recruiting manager at the time.

Onwards.
Thank you Minny. Er, who is Manny, please?
Well Harves, that would be you, my Man.
Thank you - another day, another nickname accrued. :D


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Harves Man wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 8:27am
minneapolis wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 2:32am
Harves Man wrote: Wed 30 Dec 2020 3:10am
minneapolis wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 8:35am
Harves Man wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 12:14am
To the top wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 10:28pm Missing from comment is that Brooks was Drafted by Port Adelaide at 15, but due to the rucking depth of Port Adelaide did not play a game

He was however regarded very highly as a forward/ruck at 198cm and 95kg - very athletic with a decent jump

So Port Adelaide were nurturing him and sorry to lose him

He played a handful of games at St Kilda before badly injuring a knee and restricting his leap

Perhaps you should look at the match where he kicked 3, the last of the Minor Round collecting some 15 possessions and taking 7 marks

There was a case that he should have been retained on that form - but he wasn’t

Then we played Port Adelaide with their ruck resources they also pushed forward and Brooks was played in a back pocket, so a lamb to the slaughter

And that was his AFL career

But for injury it could have been very different

There are many in the same boat

When seeing Rehn in Adelaide, with JB at the Casino after, JB said we have a better one on the books

Alves said “going onto a footy field like that you had better be able to play son”

And therein lay the problem which saw Everitt eventually traded out

Aka Hall - and Lappin

Sometimes there is a bigger picture being considered
Who is JB, please To the top?
Manny,

I would guess that it is John Beveridge, our recruiting manager at the time.

Onwards.
Thank you Minny. Er, who is Manny, please?
Well Harves, that would be you, my Man.
Thank you - another day, another nickname accrued. :D
Minny & Manny, was shucks 😘


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Andrew Lovett for pick 16 in 2009 and a 1M contract which we had to pay out was pretty woeful!

We knew enough about his character to stay away!
A known woman basher, alcohol issues, woeful trainer and inconsistent performances at best.


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B.M wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 7:23pm Andrew Lovett for pick 16 in 2009 and a 1M contract which we had to pay out was pretty woeful!

We knew enough about his character to stay away!
A known woman basher, alcohol issues, woeful trainer and inconsistent performances at best.
At the time I thought we paid major overs for him...
Thought he was worth a second rounder at best for the issues you mentioned

The strategy at the time (they later detailed) was if it’s the player you want, just pay them what they want
Mind bogglingly stupid


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Lovett was on a $1Mil contract?

Surely not per season.

I find that hard to believe.


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1M over 3 seasons

333k per season, which a decade ago was a fairly big salary.

Probably equivalent to 500k nowadays

And we had to pay the whole lot out and it impacted our TPP for 3 seasons


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what about not taking Cousins

that had to hurt


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asiu wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 10:19pm what about not taking Cousins

that had to hurt
Extend Harvey’s contract for a year
Recruit Cousins for free

Pbly would have gone through 09 undefeated


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Gt was gone , regardless of the result

Rocket Rod had sold him out to Dimmy

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Could Cousins have been the difference in 09/10

Maybe, Maybe not?

He was a free hit, low wage and could have been sacked at any point with no skin off our nose.

If he turned it around (as he did at the tigers) we would have been the feel good story. If he stuffed up it would be his fault, he had a history. What I do know is if any culture could have dealt with a bad outcome from Cousins... the Lyon, Riewoldt, Hayes, Goddard, Dal Santo, Montagna culture could have... we sacked Lovett in a heartbeat and just moved on.

Cousins was a drug addict (at that stage recovering)
He smoked Ice like plenty of others, which hurt him personally

But an elite footballer, elite trainer, and from all reports well liked.

And in a big game, in a big moment. He may well have done what he did best - lift his team to victory!


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skeptic wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 7:54pm
B.M wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 7:23pm Andrew Lovett for pick 16 in 2009 and a 1M contract which we had to pay out was pretty woeful!

We knew enough about his character to stay away!
A known woman basher, alcohol issues, woeful trainer and inconsistent performances at best.
At the time I thought we paid major overs for him...
Thought he was worth a second rounder at best for the issues you mentioned

The strategy at the time (they later detailed) was if it’s the player you want, just pay them what they want
Mind bogglingly stupid
Could not agree more if you poked me with a stick! At the time I thought it was unbridled insanity. I mean just for a start, the horrible person had a lot of bridge-building to do, and I do mean A LOT!!!

As I'm sure we'll all remember, our own Captain, Rooey, a man not known for being unnecessarily aggressive for no reason, crashed into the dipsh!t and sledged him with "you bash your f*cking Missus". This was fairly well known, because the TV microphones picked it up. Apart from the ensuing carnage that followed, perhaps the most painful part was listening to Rossie the Brainbox explaining that we didn't take a chance on Ben Could Possibly Win Us the Grand Final Cousins, because "we felt that it was too much of a risk"! Could you possibly just shoot me in the head, Rossie - that would just be so much faster.


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skeptic wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 10:22pm
asiu wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 10:19pm what about not taking Cousins

that had to hurt
Extend Harvey’s contract for a year
Recruit Cousins for free

Pbly would have gone through 09 undefeated
Yeah, but Harves was a fairly lazy trainer!


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Harves Man wrote: Fri 01 Jan 2021 1:26pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 10:22pm
asiu wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 10:19pm what about not taking Cousins

that had to hurt
Extend Harvey’s contract for a year
Recruit Cousins for free

Pbly would have gone through 09 undefeated
Yeah, but Harves was a fairly lazy trainer!
and Ball couldn't play more than 6 minutes at a time (according to the toss and genius Misson) ...
somebody forgot to tell Ball and the Collingwood fitness people!


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Post: # 1885573Post saynta »

Trading Plugger to Sydney for SFA has to be right up there.


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Joffa Burns wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 6:24pm
Harves Man wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 8:27am
minneapolis wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 2:32am
Harves Man wrote: Wed 30 Dec 2020 3:10am
minneapolis wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 8:35am
Harves Man wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 12:14am
To the top wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 10:28pm Missing from comment is that Brooks was Drafted by Port Adelaide at 15, but due to the rucking depth of Port Adelaide did not play a game

He was however regarded very highly as a forward/ruck at 198cm and 95kg - very athletic with a decent jump

So Port Adelaide were nurturing him and sorry to lose him

He played a handful of games at St Kilda before badly injuring a knee and restricting his leap

Perhaps you should look at the match where he kicked 3, the last of the Minor Round collecting some 15 possessions and taking 7 marks

There was a case that he should have been retained on that form - but he wasn’t

Then we played Port Adelaide with their ruck resources they also pushed forward and Brooks was played in a back pocket, so a lamb to the slaughter

And that was his AFL career

But for injury it could have been very different

There are many in the same boat

When seeing Rehn in Adelaide, with JB at the Casino after, JB said we have a better one on the books

Alves said “going onto a footy field like that you had better be able to play son”

And therein lay the problem which saw Everitt eventually traded out

Aka Hall - and Lappin

Sometimes there is a bigger picture being considered
Who is JB, please To the top?
Manny,

I would guess that it is John Beveridge, our recruiting manager at the time.

Onwards.
Thank you Minny. Er, who is Manny, please?
Well Harves, that would be you, my Man.
Thank you - another day, another nickname accrued. :D
Minny & Manny, was shucks 😘
Yes, but my understanding is that Minneapolis has a heart as big as a whale. Sorry - first Dad joke for 2021.


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Harves Man wrote: Sun 03 Jan 2021 7:08am
Joffa Burns wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 6:24pm
Harves Man wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 8:27am
minneapolis wrote: Thu 31 Dec 2020 2:32am
Harves Man wrote: Wed 30 Dec 2020 3:10am
minneapolis wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 8:35am
Harves Man wrote: Tue 29 Dec 2020 12:14am
To the top wrote: Mon 28 Dec 2020 10:28pm Missing from comment is that Brooks was Drafted by Port Adelaide at 15, but due to the rucking depth of Port Adelaide did not play a game

He was however regarded very highly as a forward/ruck at 198cm and 95kg - very athletic with a decent jump

So Port Adelaide were nurturing him and sorry to lose him

He played a handful of games at St Kilda before badly injuring a knee and restricting his leap

Perhaps you should look at the match where he kicked 3, the last of the Minor Round collecting some 15 possessions and taking 7 marks

There was a case that he should have been retained on that form - but he wasn’t

Then we played Port Adelaide with their ruck resources they also pushed forward and Brooks was played in a back pocket, so a lamb to the slaughter

And that was his AFL career

But for injury it could have been very different

There are many in the same boat

When seeing Rehn in Adelaide, with JB at the Casino after, JB said we have a better one on the books

Alves said “going onto a footy field like that you had better be able to play son”

And therein lay the problem which saw Everitt eventually traded out

Aka Hall - and Lappin

Sometimes there is a bigger picture being considered
Who is JB, please To the top?
Manny,

I would guess that it is John Beveridge, our recruiting manager at the time.

Onwards.
Thank you Minny. Er, who is Manny, please?
Well Harves, that would be you, my Man.
Thank you - another day, another nickname accrued. :D
Minny & Manny, was shucks 😘
Yes, but my understanding is that Minneapolis has a heart as big as a whale. Sorry - first Dad joke for 2021.
But she was a moocher!


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