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Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 12:50pm ...
Razer and his "Look at Me" Cohorts are one of the current problems...
That's nonsense. First, the umpires don't make the rules nor the interpretations. They are handed both and forced to implement them. The assessment as to how well they have done that, determines who is umpiring at the pointy end of the season - not necessarily the "best" umpires.

Second, the rosy "good old days" view never existed. Umpires were far more idiosyncratic when there was just one of them.

Let me give you two examples. One from the 50s and one from the 70s. One day in the late 50s, Footscray were playing Fitzroy and Jack Irving was the umpire. Ted Whitten was captain coach of the Bulldogs. Right from the start, whenever Fitzroy got got a free, Whitten said "You're a mug Irving." In the last quarter, with scores close, a free went to Fitzroy in the centre of the ground. Once again, Whitton said "You're a mug Irving". Irving then said to Whitten, "How many times have you called me a mug today Ted?" Whitten replied, "About 4." Irving then said, "Right, 4 times 15 is 60" and paid a 60 metre penalty which brought the player to within goal. Fitzroy won the match by a few points. Irving was dropped from the panel the following week.

Second story. A game at Moorabbin in the 70s when it was wet. Paul Callery has been rammed in the back into the mud yet again and "enquired" to umpire Robinson as to why he didn't get the free. Robinson replied, " You haven't had a free today and you are not going to get one today." Robinson improved in this regard over the years.

Both of these stories came from the "horse's mouths" and indicate that the good old days were a myth. Although, I might contradict myself a bit. Back about 20 years ago, umpiring hit its peak in my view because the interpretation of the rules was broadened to be " Did the action put the player out of the contest?" This reduced trivial frees - like a finger tip grab of the jumper. Back then, two of the best umpires ever were going around - Mathew James and Brett Allen. They never paid what I call "weak" frees. This was of umpiring had been influenced by Bill Deller who had been that sort of umpire himself. Alas, our media friends got on the "consistency" bandwagon, so that these days the slightest grab of a jumper produces a free (if it is seen). I have no idea what constitutes a ruck infringement these days. Often, neither do either ruckman.

Ray Chamberlain is an excellent umpire and has been the victim of idiot media "personalities". One thing that hasn't changed much over the years, is that media "personalities" who are up themselves have little knowledge of the rules or which players actually have the ball. Of course I'm talking about that fool Taylor.


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True Believer wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 9:32am Will be locked in a room with Morrsion, Gladys and Daniel Andrews and given a revolver with only 2 bullets.

Will shoot Andrews twice.......

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Post: # 1923989Post Wayne42 »

That fool Taylor is not too good with Hot water units nowadays either, his plumbing skills must have deserted him.


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Wayne42 wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:48pm That fool Taylor is not too good with Hot water units nowadays either, his plumbing skills must have deserted him.
Cryptic....


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perfectionist wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:34pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 12:50pm ...
Razer and his "Look at Me" Cohorts are one of the current problems...
That's nonsense. First, the umpires don't make the rules nor the interpretations. They are handed both and forced to implement them. The assessment as to how well they have done that, determines who is umpiring at the pointy end of the season - not necessarily the "best" umpires.

Second, the rosy "good old days" view never existed. Umpires were far more idiosyncratic when there was just one of them.

Let me give you two examples. One from the 50s and one from the 70s. One day in the late 50s, Footscray were playing Fitzroy and Jack Irving was the umpire. Ted Whitten was captain coach of the Bulldogs. Right from the start, whenever Fitzroy got got a free, Whitten said "You're a mug Irving." In the last quarter, with scores close, a free went to Fitzroy in the centre of the ground. Once again, Whitton said "You're a mug Irving". Irving then said to Whitten, "How many times have you called me a mug today Ted?" Whitten replied, "About 4." Irving then said, "Right, 4 times 15 is 60" and paid a 60 metre penalty which brought the player to within goal. Fitzroy won the match by a few points. Irving was dropped from the panel the following week.

Second story. A game at Moorabbin in the 70s when it was wet. Paul Callery has been rammed in the back into the mud yet again and "enquired" to umpire Robinson as to why he didn't get the free. Robinson replied, " You haven't had a free today and you are not going to get one today." Robinson improved in this regard over the years.

Both of these stories came from the "horse's mouths" and indicate that the good old days were a myth. Although, I might contradict myself a bit. Back about 20 years ago, umpiring hit its peak in my view because the interpretation of the rules was broadened to be " Did the action put the player out of the contest?" This reduced trivial frees - like a finger tip grab of the jumper. Back then, two of the best umpires ever were going around - Mathew James and Brett Allen. They never paid what I call "weak" frees. This was of umpiring had been influenced by Bill Deller who had been that sort of umpire himself. Alas, our media friends got on the "consistency" bandwagon, so that these days the slightest grab of a jumper produces a free (if it is seen). I have no idea what constitutes a ruck infringement these days. Often, neither do either ruckman.

Ray Chamberlain is an excellent umpire and has been the victim of idiot media "personalities". One thing that hasn't changed much over the years, is that media "personalities" who are up themselves have little knowledge of the rules or which players actually have the ball. Of course I'm talking about that fool Taylor.
Gotta love how you selected a very narrow bit out of my post and then repeating almost the exact thing as I said:
Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 12:50pm Is the Action Dangerous (dangerously high (not touching the shoulder), tripping, slinging) or unfairly impeding (holding, scragging, not fairly competing for a mark) the opposition - if not - play on - if so - penalty - call it a Banana Penalty as far as I am concerned. If the ball is incorrectly disposed of - another Banana Penalty - don't care if you call it throwing or dropping - just call the Pen and indicate which way - then fade into the bushes again.
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perfectionist wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:34pm Back about 20 years ago, umpiring hit its peak in my view because the interpretation of the rules was broadened to be " Did the action put the player out of the contest?" This reduced trivial frees - like a finger tip grab of the jumper. Back then, two of the best umpires ever were going around - Mathew James and Brett Allen. They never paid what I call "weak" frees. This was of umpiring had been influenced by Bill Deller who had been that sort of umpire himself. Alas, our media friends got on the "consistency" bandwagon, so that these days the slightest grab of a jumper produces a free (if it is seen).
Or Maybe you just saw me criticise Razer and had to leap to his defence without reading the post - Maybe you have Razer on alert.


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desertsaint wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:47pm
True Believer wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 9:32am Will be locked in a room with Morrsion, Gladys and Daniel Andrews and given a revolver with only 2 bullets.

Will shoot Andrews twice.......

<1 week ban for Political Baiting - and as third 1 week ban - bye bye>
Ridiculous ban - he made a topical joke we can all appreciate in the current climate. If any poster is thin skinned enough to respond to that, then i think you'll find there's your problem. TB's been around a lot longer than most and you'd so dismissedly say bye bye over that. This site grew on the back of a community, not on the back of a set of arbitrary rules. I think the community should have a say in such decisions, else it continue to wither.
I agree, harsh mate. Harsh.


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saynta wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:31pm What a rubbish decision.

Just to make sure he doesn't play in a grannie. The AFL are absolute flogs.
I presume he can appeal which will take a week off. Back for the Grannie if they make it.


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saynta wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:31pm What a rubbish decision.

Just to make sure he doesn't play in a grannie. The AFL are absolute flogs.
I agree - I would have rathered 2 or 4 - at this point it really looks like the AFL is saying just in case GWS make the finals - you wont be playing. Optics people - Optics.


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Got it!!!

3 weeks is about right


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Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 3:02pm
saynta wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:31pm What a rubbish decision.

Just to make sure he doesn't play in a grannie. The AFL are absolute flogs.
I agree - I would have rathered 2 or 4 - at this point it really looks like the AFL is saying just in case GWS make the finals - you wont be playing. Optics people - Optics.
Yep. Bad look. To me anyway.


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ace wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 12:19pm
Sanctorum wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 12:05pm As the actress said to the Bishop: "that's a hard one...."
What was Julie doing with that actress ?
It could have been Bronwyn. :shock:


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desertsaint wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:47pm
True Believer wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 9:32am Will be locked in a room with Morrsion, Gladys and Daniel Andrews and given a revolver with only 2 bullets.

Will shoot Andrews twice.......

<1 week ban for Political Baiting - and as third 1 week ban - bye bye>
Ridiculous ban - he made a topical joke we can all appreciate in the current climate. If any poster is thin skinned enough to respond to that, then i think you'll find there's your problem. TB's been around a lot longer than most and you'd so dismissedly say bye bye over that. This site grew on the back of a community, not on the back of a set of arbitrary rules. I think the community should have a say in such decisions, else it continue to wither.

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desertsaint wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:47pm
True Believer wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 9:32am Will be locked in a room with Morrsion, Gladys and Daniel Andrews and given a revolver with only 2 bullets.

Will shoot Andrews twice.......

<1 week ban for Political Baiting - and as third 1 week ban - bye bye>
Ridiculous ban - he made a topical joke we can all appreciate in the current climate. If any poster is thin skinned enough to respond to that, then i think you'll find there's your problem. TB's been around a lot longer than most and you'd so dismissedly say bye bye over that. This site grew on the back of a community, not on the back of a set of arbitrary rules. I think the community should have a say in such decisions, else it continue to wither.
Totally agree. A topical observation in response to another's topical observation. Blending two current major news items. No one jacked up, the thread was not derailed. Surely this is play on.

Joffa Boy, now True Believer. Should have referred both to the tribunal.

Very harsh.


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desertsaint wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:47pm
True Believer wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 9:32am Will be locked in a room with Morrsion, Gladys and Daniel Andrews and given a revolver with only 2 bullets.

Will shoot Andrews twice.......

<1 week ban for Political Baiting - and as third 1 week ban - bye bye>
Ridiculous ban - he made a topical joke we can all appreciate in the current climate. If any poster is thin skinned enough to respond to that, then i think you'll find there's your problem. TB's been around a lot longer than most and you'd so dismissedly say bye bye over that. This site grew on the back of a community, not on the back of a set of arbitrary rules. I think the community should have a say in such decisions, else it continue to wither.
agreed...needs to be reconsidered.

PS I'm a fan of Andrews


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Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 2:58pm "Gotta love how you selected a very narrow bit out of my post and then repeating almost the exact thing as I said:"


That seems a strange criticism. Had I copied all of your post you might have a point, but I didn't. I only copied that section which I thought was wrong.


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Not so fast.
This could be reduced on appeal.


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Yep TB ban should be overturned


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Devilhead wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 4:45pm Yep TB ban should be overturned
Agreed.
I don't think he meant any harm by it (unless Dan Andrews reads this forum), it was not political....just personal.


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Should have been 6 weeks.
Also re: TB's ban.... not sure joking about shooting someone is something this board should put up with


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3 weeks is about right. You just have to enforce in the harshest way possible the restrictions on anything physical involving umpires. It was a deliberate shoulder and a stupid, idiotic and careless act.

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IluvHarvey wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:36pm Should have been 6 weeks.
Also re: TB's ban.... not sure joking about shooting someone is something this board should put up with
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Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:41pm
IluvHarvey wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:36pm Should have been 6 weeks.
Also re: TB's ban.... not sure joking about shooting someone is something this board should put up with
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The Fireman wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:47pm
Sainter_Dad wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:41pm
IluvHarvey wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 5:36pm Should have been 6 weeks.
Also re: TB's ban.... not sure joking about shooting someone is something this board should put up with
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Toby got off lightly.


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The_Dud wrote: Tue 31 Aug 2021 6:13pm Toby got off lightly.
Well Gill is not happy with it


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